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Everyone should be excited to see what Trey 2.0 brings this year.
Originally posted by frenchmov:Agreed.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.
What are you talking about? Shanahan ran the ravens west offense, it turned out bad game 1. Shanahan ran a real offense game 2, against a team that embarrassed Justin Herbert the week before, in a must win game and any unbiased person would say trey looked good. I'm not saying EVERY throw and every play was immaculate, I'm saying overall that was a quality start.
I 100% agree trey didn't burst into the scene as a Watson or herb did, but those are extremely rare throughout NFL history. Trey is not some incredible rare prodigy. He's a 21 year old who needs more snaps but take a look at how far he jumped from preseason to game start 2.
No guarantee he becomes a great QB but there's only 1 way to find out
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.
And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.
Jimmy Year 3:
43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.
2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins
*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.
Lance Year 1:
41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating
2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.
And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.
This was one of my favorite throws from Trey Lance on the day.
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022
Not necessarily because it was a great throw (was a good throw) but because the rookie is taking a shot here.
DB is in good coverage but Lance has confidence in his arm and WR to make a play. Great ball placement. pic.twitter.com/3g1cOAAXGE
That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.
He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences
This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in the pro level. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.
That's experience.
You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.
Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.
It's called a rookie season, and he didn't look lost. He was comfortable in the offense as it was similar to NDSU. What you saw was him being rusty and needing more reps.
You can see him that in the SD game where he had the most extensive preseason playing time, that he started out of sync with his WR throwing late and high on crossing routes to Deebo and Sanu, resulting in a pass being tipped by a WR and getting intercepted.
But then he got into a rhythm and had 2 nice back to back td drives, going 8/14 102 yard while making some really impressive throws.
In the Seattle game he started slow but still ended up going 9/18 157 yards 2 tds in just one half.
AZ started slow got into a rhythm later, same thing with Houston.
That was him acclimating to the pro game and still looking impressive. He was clearly well prepared.
Had they started him from game 1, the team would have had a similar record and gone to the playoffs. Who's to say if they couldn't have gone all the way? Last year's team was special. They had grit and played for each other and refused to lose, look at the GB game.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:🙌💥🏈
Trey did look pretty raw at times in his first two starts, which is to be expected, but he did also clearly look better than Jimmy did for most of the season. We stuck with Jimmy in hopes of boosting his trade value, but obviously that backfired spectacularly and predictably when he did what he always does and got injured (and then selfishly played through it resulting in him looking even worse than normal which is now all anyone remembers). Sticking with him certainly cost us a chance at winning the SB.
We've already seen the worst of Trey and it was already equal to or better than anything we've had at QB in the KS era, so the future is bright.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Last year they tried the rotating QBs early... didn't work.. they clearly decided to pick a guy a stick.. that's when we started winning..
JG is only around cuz no trade partner... also don't want to hand a div rival a starter and they are one of the few in the QB market still..
Shanny all in on TL along with JL... no way he's the pick otherwise..
It's really as simple as that. You'd think fans who follow the team would see all that.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by frenchmov:Agreed.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.
What are you talking about? Shanahan ran the ravens west offense, it turned out bad game 1. Shanahan ran a real offense game 2, against a team that embarrassed Justin Herbert the week before, in a must win game and any unbiased person would say trey looked good. I'm not saying EVERY throw and every play was immaculate, I'm saying overall that was a quality start.
I 100% agree trey didn't burst into the scene as a Watson or herb did, but those are extremely rare throughout NFL history. Trey is not some incredible rare prodigy. He's a 21 year old who needs more snaps but take a look at how far he jumped from preseason to game start 2.
No guarantee he becomes a great QB but there's only 1 way to find out
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.
And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.
Jimmy Year 3:
43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.
2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins
*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.
Lance Year 1:
41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating
2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.
And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.
This was one of my favorite throws from Trey Lance on the day.
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022
Not necessarily because it was a great throw (was a good throw) but because the rookie is taking a shot here.
DB is in good coverage but Lance has confidence in his arm and WR to make a play. Great ball placement. pic.twitter.com/3g1cOAAXGE
That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.
He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences
This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in the pro level. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.
That's experience.
You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.
Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.
It's called a rookie season, and he didn't look lost. He was comfortable in the offense as it was similar to NDSU. What you saw was him being rusty and needing more reps.
You can see him that in the SD game where he had the most extensive preseason playing time, that he started out of sync with his WR throwing late and high on crossing routes to Deebo and Sanu, resulting in a pass being tipped by a WR and getting intercepted.
But then he got into a rhythm and had 2 nice back to back td drives, going 8/14 102 yard while making some really impressive throws.
In the Seattle game he started slow but still ended up going 9/18 157 yards 2 tds in just one half.
AZ started slow got into a rhythm later, same thing with Houston.
That was him acclimating to the pro game and still looking impressive. He was clearly well prepared.
Had they started him from game 1, the team would have had a similar record and gone to the playoffs. Who's to say if they couldn't have gone all the way? Last year's team was special. They had grit and played for each other and refused to lose, look at the GB game.
You can't compare running a Shanahan style offense at ND state and running shanahans offense in the NFL. Defenses are more complex, and defenses are faster. Shanahans playbook is complex. It's apples and oranges.
San diego? Youre talking about preseason? Seattle was playing prevent. Please. He looked like s**t the entire Arizona game. There were maybe 4 good throws. Houston? They scored 3 points well into the 3rd when he threw a prayer up and pi got called. Then he had 1 play to deebo. The score did not reflect the actual game play.
The team was special? With who, Josh norman at cb? Tom Compton at rt? Maybe they had grit and played for each other because of Jimmy. And if you think kyle would have stuck with Jimmy last year just to pump his value is laughable. Kyle made the decision to sit trey last year. If you think you know more than him, more power to you. I applaud shanahans decision. Now it's treys time.
.@49ers @treylance09 and some highlights from the "Trey Lance Show". What isn't there to like. Sure acts like he belongs Got 35 snaps last night. Keep working #5. Liking what I am seeing. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/3wzmF819lB
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) August 23, 2021
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Yeah, man. You're just arguing for the sake of it, disregarding observable proof to fit your narrative.
For one thing. Preseason counts. You don't make big time throws in the playoffs if you don't make them in regular season, preseason, or practice. That's how you get good at anything.
And you say he looked bad in those games, false. As I've stated, started slow and found a rhythm.
You know what a delusion is don't you? It's a belief or impression that's firmly held despite contradictory evidence or rational argument.
I show you footage of Lance in the pros, going through progressions like a vet and you ignore it. You also ignore the analysis from former NFL players because it doesn't support your entrenched narrative.
I offer objective takes of both his mistakes and strengths. While you offer distortions and out of context opinions.
But you're welcome to your opinion. It's just that an opinion with very little value as you can't factually support it.
.@49ers @treylance09 and some highlights from the "Trey Lance Show". What isn't there to like. Sure acts like he belongs Got 35 snaps last night. Keep working #5. Liking what I am seeing. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/3wzmF819lB
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) August 23, 2021
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by frenchmov:Agreed.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.
What are you talking about? Shanahan ran the ravens west offense, it turned out bad game 1. Shanahan ran a real offense game 2, against a team that embarrassed Justin Herbert the week before, in a must win game and any unbiased person would say trey looked good. I'm not saying EVERY throw and every play was immaculate, I'm saying overall that was a quality start.
I 100% agree trey didn't burst into the scene as a Watson or herb did, but those are extremely rare throughout NFL history. Trey is not some incredible rare prodigy. He's a 21 year old who needs more snaps but take a look at how far he jumped from preseason to game start 2.
No guarantee he becomes a great QB but there's only 1 way to find out
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
NDSU runs a pro scheme that's similar to Shanahan's that required Lance to read defenses pre-snap, set protections, and go through progressions. Thus he was more pro ready than say someone who had 1,000 reps in a spread offense.
And last year was his rookie season in which he had as many regular snaps as Jimmy G did when he was traded to the Niners.
Jimmy Year 3:
43-63 68.3% for 504 yards and 4 tds and no int. 113.3 QB rating.
2-0* against 7-8-1 Cardinals and 10-6 Dolphins
*injured shoulder in 3rd quarter of Dolphins game and missed the next 2 games of Brady's suspension.
Lance Year 1:
41-71 57.7% 604 yards 5 tds 2 ints 2 running tds 97.3 QB rating
2.5 games against 7-10 Seahawks, 11-6 Cardinals, and 4-13 Texans. 1-1 starter record.
And here's him dropping back and going through his progressions, looking left 1st then coming back right.
This was one of my favorite throws from Trey Lance on the day.
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) January 4, 2022
Not necessarily because it was a great throw (was a good throw) but because the rookie is taking a shot here.
DB is in good coverage but Lance has confidence in his arm and WR to make a play. Great ball placement. pic.twitter.com/3g1cOAAXGE
That's what every says. I watched one breakdown by one of the top QB breakdown guys.(can't remember which one) but they said he gets credit for it but that guy counted on 1 hand on all the tapes he watched on Trey where the defense rolled coverage or tried to disguise their defense.
He said it was a far cry from what he seen watching the other QBs in the bigger conferences
This isn't college football. He executed plays and made elite throws in the pro level. He's now a 2nd year pro with 2 off seasons and 2.5 games under his belt.
That's experience.
You're exhibiting cognitive dissonance, rejecting actual proof to fit a false narrative.
Youre seeing one thing, I'm seeing something else. Sure he had a handful of plays that looked good. But as a whole he clearly looked like he wasn't ready last year. At least to me. I think Shanahan probably felt the same which is why he never went with Trey. And only contemplated the switch when the season was almost lost. There was no consistency fr trey. Most of the niners echoed that statement that Trey would be good eventually, but the feelijg i got was that the players also felt he needed time. You can't seriously say Trey was ready last year. He wasn't. It was so bad that shanny had to use him as a battering ram against the cardinals. It will hopefully be better this year, the hope is that he had a whole year of learning and some in game experience. Let's see how he does.
It's called a rookie season, and he didn't look lost. He was comfortable in the offense as it was similar to NDSU. What you saw was him being rusty and needing more reps.
You can see him that in the SD game where he had the most extensive preseason playing time, that he started out of sync with his WR throwing late and high on crossing routes to Deebo and Sanu, resulting in a pass being tipped by a WR and getting intercepted.
But then he got into a rhythm and had 2 nice back to back td drives, going 8/14 102 yard while making some really impressive throws.
In the Seattle game he started slow but still ended up going 9/18 157 yards 2 tds in just one half.
AZ started slow got into a rhythm later, same thing with Houston.
That was him acclimating to the pro game and still looking impressive. He was clearly well prepared.
Had they started him from game 1, the team would have had a similar record and gone to the playoffs. Who's to say if they couldn't have gone all the way? Last year's team was special. They had grit and played for each other and refused to lose, look at the GB game.
You can't compare running a Shanahan style offense at ND state and running shanahans offense in the NFL. Defenses are more complex, and defenses are faster. Shanahans playbook is complex. It's apples and oranges.
San diego? Youre talking about preseason? Seattle was playing prevent. Please. He looked like s**t the entire Arizona game. There were maybe 4 good throws. Houston? They scored 3 points well into the 3rd when he threw a prayer up and pi got called. Then he had 1 play to deebo. The score did not reflect the actual game play.
The team was special? With who, Josh norman at cb? Tom Compton at rt? Maybe they had grit and played for each other because of Jimmy. And if you think kyle would have stuck with Jimmy last year just to pump his value is laughable. Kyle made the decision to sit trey last year. If you think you know more than him, more power to you. I applaud shanahans decision. Now it's treys time.
Anticipation and accuracy on this rocket are phenomenal, shame it's dropped. pic.twitter.com/nPnJOVFDFM
— Johnny Kinsley (2021-22 Deep Ball Project Out Now) (@Brickwallblitz) April 24, 2022
Originally posted by Viperboy:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Yeah, man. You're just arguing for the sake of it, disregarding observable proof to fit your narrative.
For one thing. Preseason counts. You don't make big time throws in the playoffs if you don't make them in regular season, preseason, or practice. That's how you get good at anything.
And you say he looked bad in those games, false. As I've stated, started slow and found a rhythm.
You know what a delusion is don't you? It's a belief or impression that's firmly held despite contradictory evidence or rational argument.
I show you footage of Lance in the pros, going through progressions like a vet and you ignore it. You also ignore the analysis from former NFL players because it doesn't support your entrenched narrative.
I offer objective takes of both his mistakes and strengths. While you offer distortions and out of context opinions.
But you're welcome to your opinion. It's just that an opinion with very little value as you can't factually support it.
.@49ers @treylance09 and some highlights from the "Trey Lance Show". What isn't there to like. Sure acts like he belongs Got 35 snaps last night. Keep working #5. Liking what I am seeing. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/3wzmF819lB
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) August 23, 2021
This sounds like arguing for the sake of it.
Originally posted by Viperboy:
Yet another new guy Mr. Know it all
Originally posted by Viperboy:
Yet another new guy Mr. Know it all
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Also, Seattle wasn't playing prevent. You're repeating something that you've seen somebody else post. They ran their basic cover 3 zone.
And you not thinking the team was special or gritty shows that you don't really understand the true beauty of sports and what it takes to win, at football or anything.
Anticipation and accuracy on this rocket are phenomenal, shame it's dropped. pic.twitter.com/nPnJOVFDFM
— Johnny Kinsley (2021-22 Deep Ball Project Out Now) (@Brickwallblitz) April 24, 2022
Look at Trey Lance man, so inspirational pic.twitter.com/wsNRa1txSW
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) May 7, 2022
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Look at Trey Lance man, so inspirational pic.twitter.com/wsNRa1txSW
— Brad (@Graham_SFN) May 7, 2022