Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Watch him grab the knee on the final replay. It was severe enough to keep him out the next week. This is not QBing. And yes it was hard hit lol.

The next week was a bye week and Jimmy was the starter and came back to continue being the starter.

Also, he didn't get up holding his knee. He touched his knee, got up and walked away fine.

Coach Kyle Shanahan said today that Lance has a knee sprain and might not be available for the 49ers' next game, in two weeks against the Colts. The 49ers are on their bye this week.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/11/trey-lance-may-miss-time-with-knee-sprain/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-151370/

I am not saying that he didn't leave the game with a knee sprain. I am saying that we don't know exactly when it happened. Nor do we know how severe it actually was.

Meh... I think it's pretty obvious. But if you think running a Quarterback 16 times a game is a good idea, that's your right but I think it pretty stupid. He's a Quarterback. If you have to run him that much there is something wrong.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I didn't say that I think it is a good idea to run a QB 16 times a game. However, if you think that Trey isn't going to be part of Kyle's running game, you are in for a rude awakening.

If I had to guess about Trey's knee sprain situation. I would say that the injury was very minor and Kyle used it as an excuse to continue to sit Trey because he clearly wasn't ready to take over at that point in the season.

On a side note, JonnyDel did a great job in his video breakdown showing how Kyle is going to use Lance's mobility to play 11x11. And yes, he absolutely is going to use him in the run game.

Yes he did. I missed me some jonnydel football academy.

For real. He's great too. If you see a trend or something, just PM him and he'll look into it. I noticed from the Bears game on we seemed to be running way less blind PA's. A little more facing the defense at all times and spread.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
YAC was making a point that people are overreacting about Trey running but most people know he will use his legs when need be. That's not what people are worried about. People are worried about the unnecessary called runs and putting himself in danger when he's literally all we have. Again his mobility was a reason we drafted him, that's not the discussion, the discussion is the unnecessary runs and hits he needs to not take. Say what you want but knees usually don't sprain themselves.

If he's going to be a great QB his running will be minimal. This was Kaps downfall. He needs to be a QB first who uses his mobility when there is no other option.

This is an oversimplification. Roman's scheme was built around Kap's strengths. At Nevada Kap was an option deep bomb QB. That was their offense. He had to learn to be a pocket QB.

Lance is a pocket QB from a pro-style offense. He can operate under center and he can call out line assignments. The threat of the QB running will elevate this offense because D coordinators will have to scheme for 11 on 11 football. If Lance rolls out and there's open field in front of him, I want him to check down to the run instead of forcing him to be a pure pocket passer. He's not Drew Brees.

I'm not arguing this, though I am saying rolling out should be his very last option unless of course by design (roll out not run). I don't think unless scripted, that Kyle's offense is not meant for improvising. His plays are detailed and are meant to be ran a certain way, that's what makes Shanny so great.. leaving the pocket completely dismantles the designed play. I'm not saying it won't happen but it will be the last resort and that running just because he's mobile is asking for trouble.

Again... I think the knee sprain happened on one of his 16 unnecessary runs. I've never said he's not going to run, I'm simply pointing out that relying on the run is not going to end well. Of course he's going to run... But he's a QB first and foremost, not a running back.

YAC said people are overreacting but as I said, most understand he's going to run. The point we're/I'm making is that there's a huge balance between when running is a good idea and a bad idea.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

He's just soft and not ready for the League. It's obvious.. all over his face and body language. I don't care how much our staff tries to prop him up, they don't have a choice... this administration is tied to him. And unfortunately, they tied themselves to an anchor.

Oh well.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
YAC was making a point that people are overreacting about Trey running but most people know he will use his legs when need be. That's not what people are worried about. People are worried about the unnecessary called runs and putting himself in danger when he's literally all we have. Again his mobility was a reason we drafted him, that's not the discussion, the discussion is the unnecessary runs and hits he needs to not take. Say what you want but knees usually don't sprain themselves.

If he's going to be a great QB his running will be minimal. This was Kaps downfall. He needs to be a QB first who uses his mobility when there is no other option.

Half the amount of runs vs the Texans. We're debating the worlds smallest sample size. Again no one is saying it's a good idea to run your QB 16+ times a game. It was his first start with little practice. I'm judging next to nothing from that start as far as his usage/trajectory as a QB goes. No one should be.

say what? Knee sprains can happen inside the pocket all the same. He got hit there as well. You're proclaiming one play as to where he got hurt and not realizing it wasn't even the same knee.

I would expect Lance to be used similarly as Allen/Watson as far as rushing goes 90-120 attempts a year.

For me, I don't care if Lance runs 20 times a game, if that's the best way to attack the defense. It's not about the frequency, it's about whether he protects himself on the run plays. And the stats people should make a differentiation between designed QB runs and QB scrambles. This would give us a better idea of what he's being asked to do. If a QB has 3 designed runs and 7 scrambles in a game, that's very different than if it was vice versa.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

He's just soft and not ready for the League. It's obvious.. all over his face and body language. I don't care how much our staff tries to prop him up, they don't have a choice... this administration is tied to him. And unfortunately, they tied themselves to an anchor.

Oh well.

Originally posted by thl408:
For me, I don't care if Lance runs 20 times a game, if that's the best way to attack the defense. It's not about the frequency, it's about whether he protects himself on the run plays. And the stats people should make a differentiation between designed QB runs and QB scrambles. This would give us a better idea of what he's being asked to do. If a QB has 3 designed runs and 7 scrambles in a game, that's very different than if it was vice versa.

Always a voice of reason

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
YAC was making a point that people are overreacting about Trey running but most people know he will use his legs when need be. That's not what people are worried about. People are worried about the unnecessary called runs and putting himself in danger when he's literally all we have. Again his mobility was a reason we drafted him, that's not the discussion, the discussion is the unnecessary runs and hits he needs to not take. Say what you want but knees usually don't sprain themselves.

If he's going to be a great QB his running will be minimal. This was Kaps downfall. He needs to be a QB first who uses his mobility when there is no other option.

This is an oversimplification. Roman's scheme was built around Kap's strengths. At Nevada Kap was an option deep bomb QB. That was their offense. He had to learn to be a pocket QB.

Lance is a pocket QB from a pro-style offense. He can operate under center and he can call out line assignments. The threat of the QB running will elevate this offense because D coordinators will have to scheme for 11 on 11 football. If Lance rolls out and there's open field in front of him, I want him to check down to the run instead of forcing him to be a pure pocket passer. He's not Drew Brees.

I'm not arguing this, though I am saying rolling out should be his very last option unless of course by design (roll out not run). I don't think unless scripted, that Kyle's offense is meant for improvising. His plays are detailed and are meant to be ran a certain way, that's what makes Shanny so great.. I'm not saying it won't happen but it will be the last resort and that running just because he's mobile is asking for trouble.

Again... I think the knee sprain happened on one if his 16 unnecessary runs. I've never said he's not going to run, I'm simply pointing out that relying on the run is not going to end well. Of course he's going to run... But he's a QB first and foremost.

Yeah, it should be very obvious when Kyle uses his mobility by design (run and pass) vs. off schedule and no doubt there's a legit concern when he is off schedule because that puts any QB at risk. It isn't because he is more willing to take off compared to others but it's more about how poor he is at protecting himself and others AFTER he's off schedule running; diving on the back of OL legs, head first, head on, etc. We shouldn't assume he'll learn right away either...some never learn.

He's a smart kid so I'm confident he will learn and I would imagine if he initiates a big hit, Kyle will be in his ear hole immediately after.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
For me, I don't care if Lance runs 20 times a game, if that's the best way to attack the defense. It's not about the frequency, it's about whether he protects himself on the run plays. And the stats people should make a differentiation between designed QB runs and QB scrambles. This would give us a better idea of what he's being asked to do. If a QB has 3 designed runs and 7 scrambles in a game, that's very different than if it was vice versa.

Always a voice of reason

Damn, he beat me again! LOL

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

He's just soft and not ready for the League. It's obvious.. all over his face and body language. I don't care how much our staff tries to prop him up, they don't have a choice... this administration is tied to him. And unfortunately, they tied themselves to an anchor.

Oh well.

Oh I see... we're just making s**t up this morning.

Are you the same that said you could tell that Trey was scared sitting on the bench from the look in his eye?

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

He's just soft and not ready for the League. It's obvious.. all over his face and body language. I don't care how much our staff tries to prop him up, they don't have a choice... this administration is tied to him. And unfortunately, they tied themselves to an anchor.

Oh well.

Justin Field fans shouldn't act like Mac Jones fans.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

He's just soft and not ready for the League. It's obvious.. all over his face and body language. I don't care how much our staff tries to prop him up, they don't have a choice... this administration is tied to him. And unfortunately, they tied themselves to an anchor.

Oh well.

Oh I see... we're just making s**t up this morning.

Are you the same that said you could tell that Trey was scared sitting on the bench from the look in his eye?

Dude just had a major hardon for Fields and is still pissed we didn't pick him.

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

He's just soft and not ready for the League. It's obvious.. all over his face and body language. I don't care how much our staff tries to prop him up, they don't have a choice... this administration is tied to him. And unfortunately, they tied themselves to an anchor.

Oh well.

Oh I see... we're just making s**t up this morning.

Are you the same that said you could tell that Trey was scared sitting on the bench from the look in his eye?

Dude just had a major hardon for Fields and is still pissed we didn't pick him.

This is true, however, Lance has done nothing to dissuade the fact that I didn't like him predraft.