Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

He's just soft and not ready for the League. It's obvious.. all over his face and body language. I don't care how much our staff tries to prop him up, they don't have a choice... this administration is tied to him. And unfortunately, they tied themselves to an anchor.

Oh well.

Oh I see... we're just making s**t up this morning.

Are you the same that said you could tell that Trey was scared sitting on the bench from the look in his eye?

Dude just had a major hardon for Fields and is still pissed we didn't pick him.

Fields (whom I liked as well) had like 4 or 5 INTs yesterday. They're all young and learning.

anyone in here acting like they can tell he's scared, soft or whatever made up BS you want to toss in here should take a seat on the butt bench and chill out lol. My god people.

The time to panic is when your 8 year vet is throwing 5 INTs in camp

Originally posted by _emanuel_:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Agreed on all points.

I'm just hesitant to go all in. I think it has to do with being a bay area sports fan who really never had a guy who came out with all these expectations, and then eventually meet or exceed those expectations. All the superstars came out of nowhere - Montana, young, Curry, Rice.

The guys I've seen drafted high with super high expectations - Alex Smith, anyone drafted by the warriors pre lacob, etc have disappointed.

I wouldn't say that Steph and Rice came out of nowhere. They were both first round draft picks.

Five super bowls kind of spoils you. I know it does me. I *know* what a hall of fame QB/WR/Edge Rusher looks like. Most other fan bases don't have that.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Right now, before the season starts, fans who are all in on Trey, calling him the next mahommes or Allen, love the IDEA of Trey. They love the IDEA of a mobile athletic strong arm passer. They are projecting what they love onto Trey amd believe it will translate. The reality, however, is he hasn't looked great so far. The hope is that he will make huge strides this year. But the fans who are already annointing him have no f**king clue how he will turn out. Let's pump the brakes on the expectations, see how he progresses this season, and hope it turns out fantastic.

I am all in on Trey because I love the IDEA of a superstar QB. I know he isnt that, and he might never be that. But we all know Jimmy isnt, and will never be. I have always maintained the opinion that if you dont have an elite QB, you should never stop looking for one.

If in 3 or 4 years, Trey is looking like he will never be that player, it will be time to look elsewhere again.

Agreed on all points.

I'm just hesitant to go all in. I think it has to do with being a bay area sports fan who really never had a guy who came out with all these expectations, and then eventually meet or exceed those expectations. All the superstars came out of nowhere - Montana, young, Curry, Rice.

The guys I've seen drafted high with super high expectations - Alex Smith, anyone drafted by the warriors pre lacob, etc have disappointed.

Agree, I'm definitely disappointed. 20+ years in the playoffs during the dynasty years, and only a measly five super bowls to show for all that work. Our % super bowl win rate is no longer 100% now it's dropped to 71%

Originally posted by Furlow:
So be like the Browns? Lol

Or be like any team that doesn't stubble into a FQB. You don't have one you're always searching for it. How is that hard to get?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

He's just soft and not ready for the League. It's obvious.. all over his face and body language. I don't care how much our staff tries to prop him up, they don't have a choice... this administration is tied to him. And unfortunately, they tied themselves to an anchor.

Oh well.

Oh I see... we're just making s**t up this morning.

Are you the same that said you could tell that Trey was scared sitting on the bench from the look in his eye?

Dude just had a major hardon for Fields and is still pissed we didn't pick him.

Fields (whom I liked as well) had like 4 or 5 INTs yesterday. They're all young and learning.

anyone in here acting like they can tell he's scared, soft or whatever made up BS you want to toss in here should take a seat on the butt bench and chill out lol. My god people.

The time to panic is when your 8 year vet is throwing 5 INTs in camp

Yeah even then it's still practice.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol guy has played two games in his career - drastically improving from game 1 to 2. This is his first full off season as the starter and is 2 days into training camp.. and we have this much crying and whining going on?

come on guys, don't drag the webzone down - we are supposed to be having fun in here.

Some are upset because the 9ers decided to move on from Jimmy. Others are upset because Kyle didn't draft the QB they wanted.

Regardless of what some think of Lance, It's Important the fan base at least gives him a full year before calling him a bust.

I spend very little time in forums for other teams however, when I do I rarely see a fanbase that is so willing to s**t on their team or its players due to personal reasons as listed above. "They didn't draft my guy so waaaaa I hope the guy they DID draft sucks so I can be right" even in light of the fact that their guy sucks so far in extended action.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Five super bowls kind of spoils you. I know it does me. I *know* what a hall of fame QB/WR/Edge Rusher looks like. Most other fan bases don't have that.

Yup…A lot of the fan base has only seen SF spend a high pick (1st rd or more) twice since 2004 on a QB. It's not like we had stud QBs the whole time either. It's almost like they don't have a understanding of developing a high end pick at QB and it's more than likely not gonna be instant gratification. s**t takes a little time.

Jimmy was a serviceable starting caliber QB (which half the league doesn't even have) so for a lot of fans that's some of the best QB play they've seen on the Niners in recent memory.

I swear this forum is full of Seahawk fans.

Here's that play of him taking off for a 30 yard gain

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Five super bowls kind of spoils you. I know it does me. I *know* what a hall of fame QB/WR/Edge Rusher looks like. Most other fan bases don't have that.

Yup…A lot of the fan base has only seen SF spend a high pick (1st rd or more) twice since 2004 on a QB. It's not like we had stud QBs the whole time either. It's almost like they don't have a understanding of developing a high end pick at QB and it's more than likely not gonna be instant gratification. s**t takes a little time.

Jimmy was a serviceable starting caliber QB (which half the league doesn't even have) so for a lot of fans that's some of the best QB play they've seen on the Niners in recent memory.

Definitely. Jimmy was just one step below Tier 1 (just my opinion). He was able to get the 49ers into a super bowl, just not win it. Most super bowl QB's are much more durable than Jimmy, also. Those injuries, I think, has eroded his physical talents - not that he's had great mobility either. Both Joe and Steve were much more mobile than Jimmy. Joe and Steve had great deep ball accuracy, and Joe could throw outside the hashmarks, just not past 20+ yards downfield regularly. That wasn't his game. But Joe - when he threw the deep ball - there was basically nobody around Jerry because he's looked them off. Like you said, Jimmy is a good QB, maybe with a bit more time and him devoting more time to his mechanics - maybe get above where he is at, but I don't think he'll reach tier 1 any time soon.

I'm excited for Trey. His mindset and attitude reminds me a bit of Joe and Steve. Joe would stay after practice and throw with Dwight, and Joe would actually get into training camp early and throw with the rookies when he didn't have to. Joe also would take his OLine to dinner - something I'm sure Trey will do at some point once the OLine is established. Trey is already doing a lot of those things.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Right now, before the season starts, fans who are all in on Trey, calling him the next mahommes or Allen, love the IDEA of Trey. They love the IDEA of a mobile athletic strong arm passer. They are projecting what they love onto Trey amd believe it will translate. The reality, however, is he hasn't looked great so far. The hope is that he will make huge strides this year. But the fans who are already annointing him have no f**king clue how he will turn out. Let's pump the brakes on the expectations, see how he progresses this season, and hope it turns out fantastic.

I am all in on Trey because I love the IDEA of a superstar QB. I know he isnt that, and he might never be that. But we all know Jimmy isnt, and will never be. I have always maintained the opinion that if you dont have an elite QB, you should never stop looking for one.

If in 3 or 4 years, Trey is looking like he will never be that player, it will be time to look elsewhere again.

Agreed on all points.

I'm just hesitant to go all in. I think it has to do with being a bay area sports fan who really never had a guy who came out with all these expectations, and then eventually meet or exceed those expectations. All the superstars came out of nowhere - Montana, young, Curry, Rice.

The guys I've seen drafted high with super high expectations - Alex Smith, anyone drafted by the warriors pre lacob, etc have disappointed.

Buster Posey. Enough said.

Yup plus Curry and Rice didn't exactly come out of nowhere when they were first round picks. They were expected to at least be really good.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Right now, before the season starts, fans who are all in on Trey, calling him the next mahommes or Allen, love the IDEA of Trey. They love the IDEA of a mobile athletic strong arm passer. They are projecting what they love onto Trey amd believe it will translate. The reality, however, is he hasn't looked great so far. The hope is that he will make huge strides this year. But the fans who are already annointing him have no f**king clue how he will turn out. Let's pump the brakes on the expectations, see how he progresses this season, and hope it turns out fantastic.

I am all in on Trey because I love the IDEA of a superstar QB. I know he isnt that, and he might never be that. But we all know Jimmy isnt, and will never be. I have always maintained the opinion that if you dont have an elite QB, you should never stop looking for one.

If in 3 or 4 years, Trey is looking like he will never be that player, it will be time to look elsewhere again.

Agreed on all points.

I'm just hesitant to go all in. I think it has to do with being a bay area sports fan who really never had a guy who came out with all these expectations, and then eventually meet or exceed those expectations. All the superstars came out of nowhere - Montana, young, Curry, Rice.

The guys I've seen drafted high with super high expectations - Alex Smith, anyone drafted by the warriors pre lacob, etc have disappointed.

Buster Posey. Enough said.

Yup plus Curry and Rice didn't exactly come out of nowhere when they were first round picks. They were expected to at least be really good.

Bosa ?

Originally posted by Ninerlakerdodger:
I swear this forum is full of Seahawk fans.

You'd think a fan base would get behind a kid like Lance. Dude is as humble as they get. You can tell all he wants to do is be great and is working his ass off to get there. Teammates have said he's a leader regardless of is age. They and the coaches love him. He's not gonna need a stipulation in his contract saying you actually study film either lol.

and his skill set is everything you want in todays QB. He's clearly not there 100% and no one should expect that right now.

I mean I just don't see why there's so much distain for this kid in his own teams fan forum or on the internet? Hasn't even gotten to play football to the level of judging anything.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Definitely. Jimmy was just one step below Tier 1 (just my opinion). He was able to get the 49ers into a super bowl, just not win it. Most super bowl QB's are much more durable than Jimmy, also. Those injuries, I think, has eroded his physical talents - not that he's had great mobility either. Both Joe and Steve were much more mobile than Jimmy. Joe and Steve had great deep ball accuracy, and Joe could throw outside the hashmarks, just not past 20+ yards downfield regularly. That wasn't his game. But Joe - when he threw the deep ball - there was basically nobody around Jerry because he's looked them off. Like you said, Jimmy is a good QB, maybe with a bit more time and him devoting more time to his mechanics - maybe get above where he is at, but I don't think he'll reach tier 1 any time soon.

I'm excited for Trey. His mindset and attitude reminds me a bit of Joe and Steve. Joe would stay after practice and throw with Dwight, and Joe would actually get into training camp early and throw with the rookies when he didn't have to. Joe also would take his OLine to dinner - something I'm sure Trey will do at some point once the OLine is established. Trey is already doing a lot of those things.

just below tier 1? Nah . Starting caliber yes. That's a very subjective thing to discuss anyway.

yeah I think Jimmy is who he is and has had the luxury of being on a couple good rosters with top end coaching staffs. Regardless I wish him well and thank him for being part of making this team watachable and relevant again.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Mortgaged our future for this goofball. Ughhhh

This isnt the Russell WIlson thread on the Denver Broncos site

This. If you don't like Trey's personality you're probably the goofball.

He's just soft and not ready for the League. It's obvious.. all over his face and body language. I don't care how much our staff tries to prop him up, they don't have a choice... this administration is tied to him. And unfortunately, they tied themselves to an anchor.

Oh well.

Oh I see... we're just making s**t up this morning.

Are you the same that said you could tell that Trey was scared sitting on the bench from the look in his eye?

Dude just had a major hardon for Fields and is still pissed we didn't pick him.

Fields (whom I liked as well) had like 4 or 5 INTs yesterday. They're all young and learning.

anyone in here acting like they can tell he's scared, soft or whatever made up BS you want to toss in here should take a seat on the butt bench and chill out lol. My god people.

The time to panic is when your 8 year vet is throwing 5 INTs in camp

I will say this about jimmy I will say this about trey, I will say this about Rodger, I will say this about even Drew Lock training camp interceptionnd are pretty meaning less in the long run. Practice is when you're supposed to be testing small windows even Shanahan agrees with that