Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
just below tier 1? Nah . Starting caliber yes. That's a very subjective thing to discuss anyway.

yeah I think Jimmy is who he is and has had the luxury of being on a couple good rosters with top end coaching staffs. Regardless I wish him well and thank him for being part of making this team watachable and relevant again.

The danger with this line, "Jimmy had the luxury of _____" is that you'll get frustrated when it's used for Lance. You want to get behind Lance, as any of us should, but I can promise you any success he has this season people will add that caveat.

Jimmy is better than what a lot of teams in the NFL have. Leave it at that. If Lance is better then bully for us. When you add caveats to Jimmy due to the team, you'll have to add those to Lance.

Of course you do. If the 49ers have a top 3 defense this year and say Justin Fields has a bottom 3 defense, you can't say that Lance didn't have the advantage. The only real difference is that Lance is basically still a rookie and Jimmy was an 8 year vet.

But I do expect that fans will judge them as the same anyway. That's just how it is.

Hopefully you'll be calling people who criticize Lance "haters" as you did with Jimmy (on games you consider to be good performances) #consistency

Did I not defend Lance last year in his starts? I said many times that Lance needs grace. Don't know why you'd think it'd be different other than your bias of me. #consistency would be to expect me to do that, not hope.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The danger with this line, "Jimmy had the luxury of _____" is that you'll get frustrated when it's used for Lance. You want to get behind Lance, as any of us should, but I can promise you any success he has this season people will add that caveat.

Jimmy is better than what a lot of teams in the NFL have. Leave it at that. If Lance is better then bully for us. When you add caveats to Jimmy due to the team, you'll have to add those to Lance.

I got no problem with that. I'm pointing out that overall Jimmy has had it pretty good coming into the league. Got paid $100M after 5 games too. That handsome man has a pretty damn good life lol

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The danger with this line, "Jimmy had the luxury of _____" is that you'll get frustrated when it's used for Lance. You want to get behind Lance, as any of us should, but I can promise you any success he has this season people will add that caveat.

Jimmy is better than what a lot of teams in the NFL have. Leave it at that. If Lance is better then bully for us. When you add caveats to Jimmy due to the team, you'll have to add those to Lance.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-quarterback-tiers-seth-galina

tier D.....THATS WHERE HE SHOULD BE

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-quarterback-tiers-examining-mike-sandos-rankings-for-2022

3rd TIER

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2022-nfl-quarterback-tiers-heres-where-your-teams-starter-fits-among-franchise-guys-placeholders-and-more/

TIER 5

DO YOU SEE A PATTERN HERE?

This is the Lance thread. Take that to the Jimmy thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Of course you do. If the 49ers have a top 3 defense this year and say Justin Fields has a bottom 3 defense, you can't say that Lance didn't have the advantage. The only real difference is that Lance is basically still a rookie and Jimmy was an 8 year vet.

But I do expect that fans will judge them as the same anyway. That's just how it is.

Hopefully you'll be calling people who criticize Lance "haters" as you did with Jimmy (on games you consider to be good performances) #consistency

TL isn't a rook, or basically a rook. He talked about it with HOF QB K. Warner. Last year OTAs his head was swimming. Now it is a world of difference. He's a 2nd year pro, with some starts under the belt.

He just turned 22 years old and this is the first time he will get a full offseason with the ones. Not even close to a 8 year vet but okay.

At the end of the day, none of this matters. The team is ready to win now. There are vets that can't afford to waste any seasons. You think a HOF like Trent will be fine with waiting another 2 to 3 years? Doubt it. He won't be in the locker room thinking, " well at least he's not jimmy" lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The danger with this line, "Jimmy had the luxury of _____" is that you'll get frustrated when it's used for Lance. You want to get behind Lance, as any of us should, but I can promise you any success he has this season people will add that caveat.

Jimmy is better than what a lot of teams in the NFL have. Leave it at that. If Lance is better then bully for us. When you add caveats to Jimmy due to the team, you'll have to add those to Lance.

I got no problem with that. I'm pointing out that overall Jimmy has had it pretty good coming into the league. Got paid $100M after 5 games too. That handsome man has a pretty damn good life lol

As long as you're fine with it. I'm just reading the tea leaves for what will probably be pages and pages of arguments going forward. Lance does X really well, "See, Lance is AWESOME", rebuttal: "well he should be doing well he has a top X defense, the best running game in the NFL amd the most brilliant head coach 🥴"
Then arguments for pages, derailing to Jimmy then someone gets a timeout.

I just don't want this place to turn toxic over another QB. It really makes it not enjoyable at all.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
As long as you're fine with it. I'm just reading the tea leaves for what will probably be pages and pages of arguments going forward. Lance does X really well, "See, Lance is AWESOME", rebuttal: "well he should be doing well he has a top X defense, the best running game in the NFL amd the most brilliant head coach 🥴"
Then arguments for pages, derailing to Jimmy then someone gets a timeout.

I just don't want this place to turn toxic over another QB. It really makes it not enjoyable at all.

Oh it's going to happen. The same folks that couldn't wait for Jimmy to leave so that we can stop talking about him, can't stop bringing him up lol

thats all you're going to hear this season. "But...but...but...remember Jimmy" it's already happening lol

I am not freaking out because I expected this. I knew there was going to be growing pains and know he is still a work in progress. But I am fine with that because it's not just about the now but also the future. And he has the team around him that could help him through this and still win a ton of games while he is developing. I would be more concerned about the now if he was replacing some all-pro QB but it's Jimmy G he is replacing, A guy who has never been a top 10 QB in any season and who's playoff stats are among the worst ever. I am going to enjoy watching the growth of Trey from week to week and enjoy the ride. It's going to be fun, And yes even with the down times.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
At the end of the day, none of this matters. The team is ready to win now. There are vets that can't afford to waste any seasons. You think a HOF like Trent will be fine with waiting another 2 to 3 years? Doubt it. He won't be in the locker room thinking, " well at least he's not jimmy" lol

Trent is probably extremely stoked at Treys upside. More big plays and ability to run makes his job easier.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
At the end of the day, none of this matters. The team is ready to win now. There are vets that can't afford to waste any seasons. You think a HOF like Trent will be fine with waiting another 2 to 3 years? Doubt it. He won't be in the locker room thinking, " well at least he's not jimmy" lol

Trent is probably extremely stoked at Treys upside. More big plays and ability to run makes his job easier.

Probably. I'm sure he's going to like a QB that can extend plays when protection fails. But on the flip side, scrambling QBs can also make OT life a little harder. Not knowing where the QB is going to be sitting/scrambling might lead to some unnecessary holding calls. Also, OT like to know that ball out in 2.5 -3 seconds.

Anyways, that's beside the point I was making. So let's try and get back to that. At the end of the day, he wants to win, whether it's a mobile QB or pocket QB .

here's a quote after joining the 9ers with our previous QB.

"I've played a lot of football, I haven't won a lot of games," Williams said. "I just wanted that to change. I'm an ultracompetitive guy regardless. I tend to probably go the extra mile when I shouldn't. Doing that when you know that at the end of the year when you have a real possibility of holding up the Lombardi Trophy, I think it makes you -- it's a lot easier. The vibe is different. You work for a different reason as opposed to just trying to maintain a level of elite play when games might not go your way every Sunday."

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
At the end of the day, none of this matters. The team is ready to win now. There are vets that can't afford to waste any seasons. You think a HOF like Trent will be fine with waiting another 2 to 3 years? Doubt it. He won't be in the locker room thinking, " well at least he's not jimmy" lol

Why would that matter when we already know we can't win a SB with Jimmy? This is not Joe Montana Trey is replacing.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
At the end of the day, none of this matters. The team is ready to win now. There are vets that can't afford to waste any seasons. You think a HOF like Trent will be fine with waiting another 2 to 3 years? Doubt it. He won't be in the locker room thinking, " well at least he's not jimmy" lol

Why would that matter when we already know we can't win a SB with Jimmy? This is not Joe Montana Trey is replacing.

Why would winning matter? Idk. Maybe because that's why the games are played for. Especially, when it's a SB ready team being held back by a QB, like you've stated. So if that's being improved, then that should be the standard. Nobody on the team wants hear about, let's just another wait 2 to 3 years, after wasting the last two opportunities.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Why would winning matter? Idk. Maybe because that's why the games are played for. Especially, when it's a SB ready team being held back by a QB, like you've stated. So if that's being improved, then that should be the standard. Nobody on the team wants hear about, let's just another wait 2 to 3 years, after wasting the last two opportunities.

So what is your solution? never start Trey ever? Because it will be the samething next year if he doesn't play this year. And then if he doesn't play next year, It will be the samething the year after that. etc etc. He needs reps. You can't keep wasting his rookie deal. Eventually you have to think of the future. Imagine if the Bills gave up on Josh Allen after year 1 and went with some veteran QB who is average.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Why would winning matter? Idk. Maybe because that's why the games are played for. Especially, when it's a SB ready team being held back by a QB, like you've stated. So if that's being improved, then that should be the standard. Nobody on the team wants hear about, let's just another wait 2 to 3 years, after wasting the last two opportunities.

So what is your solution? never start Trey ever? Because it will be the samething next year if he doesn't play this year. And then if he doesn't play next year, It will be the samething the year after that. etc etc. He needs reps. You can't keep wasting his rookie deal. Eventually you have to think of the future. Imagine if the Bills gave up on Josh Allen after year 1 and went with some veteran QB who is average.

his love for jimmy is the solution lol

If Trey throws 5 picks in training camp practice around Year 8, then maybe it will be time to panic

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Why would winning matter? Idk. Maybe because that's why the games are played for. Especially, when it's a SB ready team being held back by a QB, like you've stated. So if that's being improved, then that should be the standard. Nobody on the team wants hear about, let's just another wait 2 to 3 years, after wasting the last two opportunities.

So what is your solution? never start Trey ever? Because it will be the samething next year if he doesn't play this year. And then if he doesn't play next year, It will be the samething the year after that. etc etc. He needs reps. You can't keep wasting his rookie deal. Eventually you have to think of the future. Imagine if the Bills gave up on Josh Allen after year 1 and went with some veteran QB who is average.

No, the team had to go through it. But that doesn't mean we go into the season ready to write it off. Why can't some hope for a RW, Tom, or (broken down, noodle arm) Peyton type year that rides a SB caliber defense while also learning he ropes. We can have both. That's what I'm hoping for. At least make the playoffs then, all bets are off. I want to keep the winning culture going.

Also, the Bills team that Allen joined is not he same as this current niner team. Nobody was saying the Bills was a SB team being held back by a QB.