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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
his love for jimmy is the solution lol
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
his love for jimmy is the solution lol
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
No, the team had to go through it. But that doesn't mean we go into the season ready to write it off. Why can't some hope for a RW, Tom, or (broken down, noodle arm) Peyton type year that rides a SB caliber defense while also learning he ropes. We can have both. That's what I'm hoping for. At least make the playoffs then, all bets are off. I want to keep the winning culture going.
Also, the Bills team that Allen joined is not he same as this current niner team. Nobody was saying the Bills was a SB team being held back by a QB.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Of course you do. If the 49ers have a top 3 defense this year and say Justin Fields has a bottom 3 defense, you can't say that Lance didn't have the advantage. The only real difference is that Lance is basically still a rookie and Jimmy was an 8 year vet.
But I do expect that fans will judge them as the same anyway. That's just how it is.
Hopefully you'll be calling people who criticize Lance "haters" as you did with Jimmy (on games you consider to be good performances)#consistency
TL isn't a rook, or basically a rook. He talked about it with HOF QB K. Warner. Last year OTAs his head was swimming. Now it is a world of difference. He's a 2nd year pro, with some starts under the belt.
He just turned 22 years old and this is the first time he will get a full offseason with the ones. Not even close to a 8 year vet but okay.
At the end of the day, none of this matters. The team is ready to win now. There are vets that can't afford to waste any seasons. You think a HOF like Trent will be fine with waiting another 2 to 3 years? Doubt it. He won't be in the locker room thinking, " well at least he's not jimmy" lol
Originally posted by jonnydel:
I just don't want this place to turn toxic over another QB. It really makes it not enjoyable at all.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The implication here is that if Trey can't get it done, Jimmy would have. And history has shown that to be false.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The implication here is that if Trey can't get it done, Jimmy would have. And history has shown that to be false.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
As long as you're fine with it. I'm just reading the tea leaves for what will probably be pages and pages of arguments going forward. Lance does X really well, "See, Lance is AWESOME", rebuttal: "well he should be doing well he has a top X defense, the best running game in the NFL amd the most brilliant head coach 🥴"
Then arguments for pages, derailing to Jimmy then someone gets a timeout.
I just don't want this place to turn toxic over another QB. It really makes it not enjoyable at all.
Oh it's going to happen. The same folks that couldn't wait for Jimmy to leave so that we can stop talking about him, can't stop bringing him up lol
thats all you're going to hear this season. "But...but...but...remember Jimmy" it's already happening lol
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Well, if in 7 years Lance is still making rookie mistakes and people are making excuse after excuse about why it wasn't his fault, then it will be just as toxic as the Jimmy thread. Hell I'll give you 4 years not 7.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
And Trey Lance isn't as talented as Josh Allen, no matter how much people want to force the comparison. The throwing is just not comparable.
Regardless of that argument this would be a way more acceptable gamble if we were rebuilding, like the Bills were as you suggested.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:This. Winning culture can't be minimized. whatever the reasons for it, it has been established. Players have talked about it. Can't use Jimmy to lower the bar this season when it was high with him.
Disagree that's the implication. The implication is that you should play the best player you have and prioritize winning now versus development, especially when you have a team actually ready to win now.
Jimmy is not a good* QB. That doesn't mean we didn't box ourselves in here.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
As long as you're fine with it. I'm just reading the tea leaves for what will probably be pages and pages of arguments going forward. Lance does X really well, "See, Lance is AWESOME", rebuttal: "well he should be doing well he has a top X defense, the best running game in the NFL amd the most brilliant head coach 🥴"
Then arguments for pages, derailing to Jimmy then someone gets a timeout.
I just don't want this place to turn toxic over another QB. It really makes it not enjoyable at all.
Oh it's going to happen. The same folks that couldn't wait for Jimmy to leave so that we can stop talking about him, can't stop bringing him up lol
thats all you're going to hear this season. "But...but...but...remember Jimmy" it's already happening lol
You beat me to it. The absolute worst offenders of this will be the Jimmy haters. They just can't help themselves. Any criticism of Trey will be met with "yeah but what about Jimmy."
Originally posted by Furlow:
You beat me to it. The absolute worst offenders of this will be the Jimmy haters. They just can't help themselves. Any criticism of Trey will be met with "yeah but what about Jimmy."
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
100%. It's comical & predictable at the same time.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
I just don't want this place to turn toxic over another QB. It really makes it not enjoyable at all.
Well, if in 7 years Lance is still making rookie mistakes and people are making excuse after excuse about why it wasn't his fault, then it will be just as toxic as the Jimmy thread. Hell I'll give you 4 years not 7.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Well, if in 7 years Lance is still making rookie mistakes and people are making excuse after excuse about why it wasn't his fault, then it will be just as toxic as the Jimmy thread. Hell I'll give you 4 years not 7.
Well if Trey sat on the bench for the first 4 years of those seven and took this team to he SB after just over two years of starting it would be different.
But he reality is we have used 3 first and a 3rd to get over the hump with a SB caliber team. Can't lower the bar now.
Btw, Jimmy is gone. He has no bearing on this teams wins or losses, as currently constructed.