Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
You should start rooting for this team again rather than hoping Trey fails just because your feelings were hurt when he was drafted to replace Jimmy.

Quite the projection there. Last season was hard for you. I remember you not being jubilant until we lost to the Rams in the NFCCG. Sad and pathetic.

I will always greatful for every win, unlike some of our "fans". That's why my bar will not be lowered this season. Lance will rise to the occasion. Hopefully, "fans" like yourself can get behind this team once again.

Dude I totally forgot about how quiet he was during the playoff run until we lost the NFCCG. Amazing. And here he is trying to lecture you about getting behind the team lol.

What are you talking about ? I didn't post any less or more before/after the NFCCG and it's not like the former QB played well during those games, so if I was hater like you claim, you'd think I would have been pretty active during that time.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Jimmy is better than what a lot of teams in the NFL have.

False. Horribly.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Here's that play of him taking off for a 30 yard gain

HOW COULD YOU NOT BE HYPED #FTTB pic.twitter.com/LipeKzGXFO

— ♛1OF1♛ (@FaithfulDavo) July 29, 2022

This is mostly a joke but we may need to start talking about "leg fatigue."

With what JD highlighted in his breakdown and every clip thus far, he is constantly on the move, even on fake handoffs. Constant naked bootlegs, fake hand offs and sprinting out of that, off schedule runs, on schedule runs, roll outs, etc.

Can they try to develop this kid from the pocket, please?

His legs are about to fall off. He runs more than his receivers on a route. LOL

#LegFatigue

The positive side is, you don't have to use Trey like that every play or even once a series.

Once you expose the defense to the threat and if they're accounting for it, you now can operate off the perceived threat.

For example: if a team is running man with a spy and not a lurk to account for Trey, then that means you'll have good options over the intermediate middle for passes since the lurk won't be helping, you'll also be able to use that defender as an extra interference player if say, you have Juice in an offset I and bring him across the formation on a flat route. His defender would have to navigate through the traffic and spy player to cover Juice.
If they play zone with a spy, you now have one fewer rusher or one fewer zone defenders. Both allow for different attacks.

It gives Kyle another option in his bag or another threat the defense has to account for.

That's what I'm excited for with Trey. The off-schedule stuff and splash plays are what people swoon over and want, I want our offense run at a high level. I said that when Jimmy was here and will with Trey. The offense, as a whole.

The bar is set high for that. Last year we were 7th in total offense and tied for 1st in yards per play.
In 2019 we were 4th in total offense and 5th in yards per play.
I don't care, necessarily, what Lance's stats will be as long as the offense stays productive

We had a lot of drives with Jimmy that would be:
1st down-2 yard run
2nd down-1 yard run
3rd down 8 yard completion
1st down-incomplete pass
2nd down-4 yard run
3rd down- 10 yard completion
1st down-45 yard run TD

Fans: "our run game is the best and the only reason we score!"

So again, I don't care what Lance's stats are I want to see him contributing to the success of the offense. If that's as a decoy on explosives, great. If that's picking up a key 3rd down to extend a drive to give our run game another Crack at an explosive run, great. I just want the offense to operate well.

Good that he struggles early, now lets hope he can overcome the mistakes that are happening.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
"It's been awesome," Lance said of his offensive line's work early in training camp. "Jake Brendel's done a great job at center. Dan Brunskill as well. We've got two or three rookies that have done a really good job, getting a lot of reps with the ones. A couple of guys in my class, Aaron Banks and Jaylon Moore, I can go up and down the line.

"But those guys have done a great job. It's hard without pads on these first few days, but I'm super excited to keep going and keep growing with these guys."

Not sure he believes that but it's the right thing to say. You are not going to throw your teammates under the bus. Especially when you are a 2nd year QB.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Here's that play of him taking off for a 30 yard gain

HOW COULD YOU NOT BE HYPED #FTTB pic.twitter.com/LipeKzGXFO

— ♛1OF1♛ (@FaithfulDavo) July 29, 2022

This is mostly a joke but we may need to start talking about "leg fatigue."

With what JD highlighted in his breakdown and every clip thus far, he is constantly on the move, even on fake handoffs. Constant naked bootlegs, fake hand offs and sprinting out of that, off schedule runs, on schedule runs, roll outs, etc.

Can they try to develop this kid from the pocket, please?

His legs are about to fall off. He runs more than his receivers on a route. LOL

#LegFatigue

The positive side is, you don't have to use Trey like that every play or even once a series.

Once you expose the defense to the threat and if they're accounting for it, you now can operate off the perceived threat.

For example: if a team is running man with a spy and not a lurk to account for Trey, then that means you'll have good options over the intermediate middle for passes since the lurk won't be helping, you'll also be able to use that defender as an extra interference player if say, you have Juice in an offset I and bring him across the formation on a flat route. His defender would have to navigate through the traffic and spy player to cover Juice.
If they play zone with a spy, you now have one fewer rusher or one fewer zone defenders. Both allow for different attacks.

It gives Kyle another option in his bag or another threat the defense has to account for.

That's what I'm excited for with Trey. The off-schedule stuff and splash plays are what people swoon over and want, I want our offense run at a high level. I said that when Jimmy was here and will with Trey. The offense, as a whole.

The bar is set high for that. Last year we were 7th in total offense and tied for 1st in yards per play.
In 2019 we were 4th in total offense and 5th in yards per play.
I don't care, necessarily, what Lance's stats will be as long as the offense stays productive

We had a lot of drives with Jimmy that would be:
1st down-2 yard run
2nd down-1 yard run
3rd down 8 yard completion
1st down-incomplete pass
2nd down-4 yard run
3rd down- 10 yard completion
1st down-45 yard run TD

Fans: "our run game is the best and the only reason we score!"

So again, I don't care what Lance's stats are I want to see him contributing to the success of the offense. If that's as a decoy on explosives, great. If that's picking up a key 3rd down to extend a drive to give our run game another Crack at an explosive run, great. I just want the offense to operate well.

You mean the QB is just one component of the offense as a whole, and they don't all operate independently of one another?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
......
I know you haven't posted much recently but I'm seeing the same posters who were consistently calling out others for hating on Jimmy... have no issues being hypercritical on Lance. So I assume you missed many of those posts.

My main point is... IF everyone is truly being consistent, I should be called a Lance hater this year.

So feel free to call me out if you feel I'm being inconsistent. No worries. I thought it was fair to ask you that since you asked NY about his perceived bias.

Funny stuff indeed regarding NY's perceived bias. He supported Jimmy when he thought something was there,...and didnt support him once he lost faith in his abilities. Doesn't get any more straightforward than that, does it? That's being opinionated,...not being biased.

Shanny's the one calling the shots anyway. He was used as a last-standing crutch for Jimmy supporters,....and he says he's not playing around anymore and moving on. Does his outlook on things still weigh heavily in this Jimmy stuff,...or does his view suddenly and conveniently now not matter?

Originally posted by jonnydel:


Finally got to put together the Lance video I've been wanting to for a while. Only took a 2nd bout with COVID.....

jd, the play at the 3:10 mark. That's an option play where Lance reads how the defense reacts to the motion. The motion man is not followed and so *I think* the correct read to hand it off. The RB would have had a clean lead blocker with the edge to gain and a potential big play.

This play below is at 26:45 of the all22 video you shared with me. It's the same playcall as the play at 3:10 of your video. This time, Lance hands it off. I can't be sure what the read is, plus this was a poorly blocked play. My point is that there may be a lot of option/RPO plays called in a Trey Lance offense.






Lance did not run RPOs in college so that's something he needs to get coached up on because one dimension that can be added to the offense is RPOs with the threat of a QB run. Now, a 49er RPO will consist of handing it off, quick pass, or QB keep - instead of handing it off or throwing the quick pass.

Here's a play where he reads the MIKE and either throws the swing screen or runs it up the middle if the MIKE vacates the box. Point is, I think there may be many more RPOs called compared to previous seasons, and with a number of skill players deserving of the ball in their hands, it could be an efficient way to get yards on run/pass neutral downs. This is an 8 yard gain on 2nd & 10. As long as Lance gets down to protect himself, I'll take this any time.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The positive side is, you don't have to use Trey like that every play or even once a series.

Once you expose the defense to the threat and if they're accounting for it, you now can operate off the perceived threat.

For example: if a team is running man with a spy and not a lurk to account for Trey, then that means you'll have good options over the intermediate middle for passes since the lurk won't be helping, you'll also be able to use that defender as an extra interference player if say, you have Juice in an offset I and bring him across the formation on a flat route. His defender would have to navigate through the traffic and spy player to cover Juice.
If they play zone with a spy, you now have one fewer rusher or one fewer zone defenders. Both allow for different attacks.

It gives Kyle another option in his bag or another threat the defense has to account for.

That's what I'm excited for with Trey. The off-schedule stuff and splash plays are what people swoon over and want, I want our offense run at a high level. I said that when Jimmy was here and will with Trey. The offense, as a whole.

The bar is set high for that. Last year we were 7th in total offense and tied for 1st in yards per play.
In 2019 we were 4th in total offense and 5th in yards per play.
I don't care, necessarily, what Lance's stats will be as long as the offense stays productive

We had a lot of drives with Jimmy that would be:
1st down-2 yard run
2nd down-1 yard run
3rd down 8 yard completion
1st down-incomplete pass
2nd down-4 yard run
3rd down- 10 yard completion
1st down-45 yard run TD

Fans: "our run game is the best and the only reason we score!"

So again, I don't care what Lance's stats are I want to see him contributing to the success of the offense. If that's as a decoy on explosives, great. If that's picking up a key 3rd down to extend a drive to give our run game another Crack at an explosive run, great. I just want the offense to operate well.

Good post. Lance adds that other element as a running threat the opposing D must prepare for...if he this season can just keep mistakes somewhat at a minimum (mental & physical) and also make necessary plays to keep drives alive along with factoring in the occasional explosive play...this team will be tough to deal with assuming the D does its part.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Well if Trey sat on the bench for the first 4 years of those seven and took this team to he SB after just over two years of starting it would be different.

But he reality is we have used 3 first and a 3rd to get over the hump with a SB caliber team. Can't lower the bar now.

Btw, Jimmy is gone. He has no bearing on this teams wins or losses, as currently constructed.

The bar is about individual QB play. There are so many factors that go into winning, and winning in the playoffs. Jimmy has been the absolute sh*ts in the playoffs, yet we won. If Lance is lights out in the playoffs and we lose, it should be obvious that the blame should be assigned elsewhere.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Here's that play of him taking off for a 30 yard gain

HOW COULD YOU NOT BE HYPED #FTTB pic.twitter.com/LipeKzGXFO

— ♛1OF1♛ (@FaithfulDavo) July 29, 2022

This is mostly a joke but we may need to start talking about "leg fatigue."

With what JD highlighted in his breakdown and every clip thus far, he is constantly on the move, even on fake handoffs. Constant naked bootlegs, fake hand offs and sprinting out of that, off schedule runs, on schedule runs, roll outs, etc.

Can they try to develop this kid from the pocket, please?

His legs are about to fall off. He runs more than his receivers on a route. LOL

#LegFatigue

I know you're kidding but the upside is hat Defense will be ready for Fields week 1. And Trey gets more accustomed to NFL speed on scrambles. Any word on if he's practicing sliding?

Haha. Great points!

That I'd love to know that too!

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Here's that play of him taking off for a 30 yard gain

HOW COULD YOU NOT BE HYPED #FTTB pic.twitter.com/LipeKzGXFO

— ♛1OF1♛ (@FaithfulDavo) July 29, 2022

This is mostly a joke but we may need to start talking about "leg fatigue."

With what JD highlighted in his breakdown and every clip thus far, he is constantly on the move, even on fake handoffs. Constant naked bootlegs, fake hand offs and sprinting out of that, off schedule runs, on schedule runs, roll outs, etc.

Can they try to develop this kid from the pocket, please?

His legs are about to fall off. He runs more than his receivers on a route. LOL

#LegFatigue

The positive side is, you don't have to use Trey like that every play or even once a series.

Once you expose the defense to the threat and if they're accounting for it, you now can operate off the perceived threat.

For example: if a team is running man with a spy and not a lurk to account for Trey, then that means you'll have good options over the intermediate middle for passes since the lurk won't be helping, you'll also be able to use that defender as an extra interference player if say, you have Juice in an offset I and bring him across the formation on a flat route. His defender would have to navigate through the traffic and spy player to cover Juice.
If they play zone with a spy, you now have one fewer rusher or one fewer zone defenders. Both allow for different attacks.

It gives Kyle another option in his bag or another threat the defense has to account for.

That's what I'm excited for with Trey. The off-schedule stuff and splash plays are what people swoon over and want, I want our offense run at a high level. I said that when Jimmy was here and will with Trey. The offense, as a whole.

The bar is set high for that. Last year we were 7th in total offense and tied for 1st in yards per play.
In 2019 we were 4th in total offense and 5th in yards per play.
I don't care, necessarily, what Lance's stats will be as long as the offense stays productive

We had a lot of drives with Jimmy that would be:
1st down-2 yard run
2nd down-1 yard run
3rd down 8 yard completion
1st down-incomplete pass
2nd down-4 yard run
3rd down- 10 yard completion
1st down-45 yard run TD

Fans: "our run game is the best and the only reason we score!"

So again, I don't care what Lance's stats are I want to see him contributing to the success of the offense. If that's as a decoy on explosives, great. If that's picking up a key 3rd down to extend a drive to give our run game another Crack at an explosive run, great. I just want the offense to operate well.

Oh for sure. Make it 11x11. Give them everything to think about.

I just mean right now, we already know he can do all the things in the movement bucket. I'd like to see him work more within the pocket and develop timing and chemistry. It's way early so no overreacting here. Just saying.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The bar is about individual QB play.

First of all, QB position is dependent on a lot of other factors. So even then it's difficult to set the bar at "individual QB play".

Second of all, I've already stated that in one and done game scenarios, like the playoffs, anything can happen. Best team, or QB, doesn't always win. That's why my bar is at the very least reaching the playoffs.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Jimmy is better than what a lot of teams in the NFL have.

False. Horribly.

If this conversation happens to move forward, do it in the Jimmy thread.

lol I knew I saw this narrative before, just 4 years ago.
Clueless fans will always overreact for practice performances. At this time Chiefs fans were panicking, asking for the FO head for trading away Alex Smith while they watched their redshirted 22 years old kid throw 7 picks in 6 practices. And lets not forget they had an abomination of a defense that year.
https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/08/01/concerning-patrick-mahomes-interceptions-training-camp/
https://sportsnaut.com/chiefs-patrick-mahomes-has-been-a-mistake-filled-mess-during-camp/

May we also remember when Brian Hoyer was like a training camp All Pro?
Oh sure if the offense was firing then clueless fans would be crying about how bad the defense is, am I right?
I'm glad to not be a teams fan and limit myself to be a follower.