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Originally posted by random49er:
Some of the "weirdness" with evaluations as Mahomes sees it...

Patrick Mahomes has taken notice of the "weird" criticisms that he and other Black quarterbacks in the NFL have received lately.

Though he didn't want to say that Black quarterbacks are evaluated differently than their white counterparts, Mahomes thinks the comments that he, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray have gotten this week are strange.

"Obviously, the Black quarterback has had to battle to be in this position that we are to have this many guys in the league playing," Mahomes said Friday, KSHB's Aaron Ladd. "I think every day, we're proving that we should have been playing the whole time. We've got guys that can think just as well as they can use their athleticism.

"It's always weird when you see guys like me, Lamar [Jackson], Kyler [Murray] kind of get that on them when other guys don't. But at the same time we're going out there to prove ourselves every day to show we can be some of the best quarterbacks in the league."
Patrick Mahomes on 'weird' criticisms he and other Black quarterbacks have faced this week

I just don't get the uproar personally. Damn near all QBs who deserved their criticisms got them. Including white ones. Dilfer, Flacco, Cutler, Sanchez, Quinn, Locker, Darnold, Daniel Jones, Mayfield, Alex Smith, Jimmy G., Trubisky, Goff, Wentz, Narita, Bortles,, Weeden, Gabbert, Tebow, JP Losman, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Grossman,Boller. I can keep going.

It's not just black QBs who get criticized. They're just usually the only ones complaining.

As for the why's.... Black QBs are usually the best athletes on the field from little league to at least college. Often times even college. So they can get by on their athleticism and they don't so much get by playing QB the most traditional of ways. Whereas for the white QBs to get to the NFL they have to do it the more traditional way so it's easier to see it translate. So the black QBs may be more intelligent than given credit for (as far as football intelligence) they don't always show it because they're not as accustomed to having to compared to the white QB.

Over the years a lot of the black QBs admitted to not watching a lot of film. So why is it so surprising that their football intelligence is questioned.

Mora mentioned to Vick that the Falcons used to send Vick home with DVDs of game film, and Vick admitted that he never bothered to watch them.

"The DVDs would pile up in my car, Jim," Vick told his old coach.↵

"Let's talk Colin preparing for games. And you know how they get iPads now. And they regulate, and they can watch how much film you watch. [Blaine] Gabbert, when he was a backup, was watching four to five times as much film as Colin was."

Murray said back in 2021 that he could visualize what was going on during games thanks to great cognitive skills. So he didn't feel a need to watch a lot of extra film.


Ninkovich said, "From what I gained from sources inside the actual building, from everything I understand now, Mac was basically helping Cam learn the playbook."

"I ain't the type to go and watch five hours of film" - JaMarcus Russell defends his choice to minimize film study with Raiders
[ Edited by krizay on Jul 30, 2022 at 10:30 AM ]
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he doesn't exist.

Racism, well prejudice, in QB evaluation has been around for the longest time.

The only thing dumber than having an imaginary friend is having an imaginary enemy.
Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Bingo. Folks kiss the ground Mahomes walks on. Coming from him the statement falls flat. We have organizations trading outlandish packages to move up and draft these guys (for their brains and god gifted abilities) over less gifted athletes and they get "weird criticisms". Pfft, okay Chief, as if your ass hasn't been kissed since you became the starter. Everyone is held accountable for their actions and their skin tone (as implied by Mahomes) has zero, zip, and zilch of a factor in that evaluation.

Just ring this one up to the coward calling it "Street Ball" anonymously to fan flames. It's not really about Mahomes as much as it's about the anonymous cowards.
It looks like that finger issue was definitely the cause of the wobblers because every Trey throw I've seen so far has been a seed.
[ Edited by Heroism on Jul 30, 2022 at 11:11 AM ]
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he doesn't exist.

Racism, well prejudice, in QB evaluation has been around for the longest time.

The only thing dumber than having an imaginary friend is having an imaginary enemy.

Very good call!
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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he doesn't exist.

Racism, well prejudice, in QB evaluation has been around for the longest time.

The only thing dumber than having an imaginary friend is having an imaginary enemy.

Very good call!

That is a good one.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Jul 30, 2022 at 11:16 AM ]
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
To put this in perspective, Justin Herbert is 8-20 in the 1st 2 days of camp.

What are Trey's numbers?

Over three days; 15-32 with 2 ints per Lombardi.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TSmlDevRbXaNFf-0IFOzuX_OveNun_nioZ8zHKJLKts/edit#gid=0

Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
To put this in perspective, Justin Herbert is 8-20 in the 1st 2 days of camp.

What are Trey's numbers?

Over three days; 15-32 with 2 ints per Lombardi.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TSmlDevRbXaNFf-0IFOzuX_OveNun_nioZ8zHKJLKts/edit#gid=0


I looked into it after posting that. It is actually something like 19/36 before today.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
To put this in perspective, Justin Herbert is 8-20 in the 1st 2 days of camp.

What are Trey's numbers?

Over three days; 15-32 with 2 ints per Lombardi.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TSmlDevRbXaNFf-0IFOzuX_OveNun_nioZ8zHKJLKts/edit#gid=0


I looked into it after posting that. It is actually something like 19/36 before today.

Trey had much better numbers in training camp then Jimmy did last season. But y'all chucked that up as nonsense.

Now the Jimmy stans care about practice numbers.

You can't make this stuff up.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by random49er:
Some of the "weirdness" with evaluations as Mahomes sees it...

Patrick Mahomes has taken notice of the "weird" criticisms that he and other Black quarterbacks in the NFL have received lately.

Though he didn't want to say that Black quarterbacks are evaluated differently than their white counterparts, Mahomes thinks the comments that he, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray have gotten this week are strange.

"Obviously, the Black quarterback has had to battle to be in this position that we are to have this many guys in the league playing," Mahomes said Friday, KSHB's Aaron Ladd. "I think every day, we're proving that we should have been playing the whole time. We've got guys that can think just as well as they can use their athleticism.

"It's always weird when you see guys like me, Lamar [Jackson], Kyler [Murray] kind of get that on them when other guys don't. But at the same time we're going out there to prove ourselves every day to show we can be some of the best quarterbacks in the league."
Patrick Mahomes on 'weird' criticisms he and other Black quarterbacks have faced this week

I just don't get the uproar personally. Damn near all QBs who deserved their criticisms got them. Including white ones. Dilfer, Flacco, Cutler, Sanchez, Quinn, Locker, Darnold, Daniel Jones, Mayfield, Alex Smith, Jimmy G., Trubisky, Goff, Wentz, Narita, Bortles,, Weeden, Gabbert, Tebow, JP Losman, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Grossman,Boller. I can keep going.

It's not just black QBs who get criticized. They're just usually the only ones complaining.

As for the why's.... Black QBs are usually the best athletes on the field from little league to at least college. Often times even college. So they can get by on their athleticism and they don't so much get by playing QB the most traditional of ways. Whereas for the white QBs to get to the NFL they have to do it the more traditional way so it's easier to see it translate. So the black QBs may be more intelligent than given credit for (as far as football intelligence) they don't always show it because they're not as accustomed to having to compared to the white QB.

Over the years a lot of the black QBs admitted to not watching a lot of film. So why is it so surprising that their football intelligence is questioned.

Mora mentioned to Vick that the Falcons used to send Vick home with DVDs of game film, and Vick admitted that he never bothered to watch them.

"The DVDs would pile up in my car, Jim," Vick told his old coach.↵

"Let's talk Colin preparing for games. And you know how they get iPads now. And they regulate, and they can watch how much film you watch. [Blaine] Gabbert, when he was a backup, was watching four to five times as much film as Colin was."

Murray said back in 2021 that he could visualize what was going on during games thanks to great cognitive skills. So he didn't feel a need to watch a lot of extra film.


Ninkovich said, "From what I gained from sources inside the actual building, from everything I understand now, Mac was basically helping Cam learn the playbook."

"I ain't the type to go and watch five hours of film" - JaMarcus Russell defends his choice to minimize film study with Raiders

Our current society has black Americans believing they are victims always, so any criticism is viewed critically and there is always a suspicion of racism regardless if there truly is or not. The thought that black athletes are criticized any more than white in modern-day sports is a laughable fallacy. The vast majority of ALL of our favorite players are black. The players I'd most like to meet and maybe have a cup of coffee with are all black. Kids of all nationalities are idolizing black athletes, but the leftie narrative that black Americans are always persecuted has seeped into every facet of our society.
[ Edited by WINiner on Jul 30, 2022 at 12:08 PM ]
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
To put this in perspective, Justin Herbert is 8-20 in the 1st 2 days of camp.

What are Trey's numbers?

Over three days; 15-32 with 2 ints per Lombardi.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TSmlDevRbXaNFf-0IFOzuX_OveNun_nioZ8zHKJLKts/edit#gid=0


I looked into it after posting that. It is actually something like 19/36 before today.

Trey had much better numbers in training camp then Jimmy did last season. But y'all chucked that up as nonsense.

Now the Jimmy stans care about practice numbers.

You can't make this stuff up.

Are you serious? I am no Jimmy stan and I never passed any judgement on the numbers. I was simply curious is all.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are you serious? I am no Jimmy stan and I never passed any judgement on the numbers. I was simply curious is all.

He's referring to the guy who thinks Shanahan limited Jimmy.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Are you serious? I am no Jimmy stan and I never passed any judgement on the numbers. I was simply curious is all.

He's referring to the guy who thinks Shanahan limited Jimmy.

It would be a lot easier to tell if the last quote was from the poster they were responding to.
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
To put this in perspective, Justin Herbert is 8-20 in the 1st 2 days of camp.

What are Trey's numbers?

Over three days; 15-32 with 2 ints per Lombardi.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TSmlDevRbXaNFf-0IFOzuX_OveNun_nioZ8zHKJLKts/edit#gid=0


I looked into it after posting that. It is actually something like 19/36 before today.

Trey had much better numbers in training camp then Jimmy did last season. But y'all chucked that up as nonsense.

Now the Jimmy stans care about practice numbers.

You can't make this stuff up.

Just applying the same logic as the Jimmy haters last season who made a big deal about camp stats.

Honestly I couldn't care less, about Jimmy's or Trey's camp stats. Has anyone video documented a spiral from Trey yet though?
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Trey has a good media presence about him. I think he's very articulate. I think it helps that he has a GM who's a former broadcaster and a QB coach who's a former broadcaster on his team coaching him on media matters. I can see him be another talking head like Steve Young - in the far off distant future too.

I have one small criticism that I think Trey could work on. He needs to stop saying everything is Super. He's super excited about the season. The team is looking super good. He's been working super hard. Just please drop the super . It makes him sound like a junior high school kid.

I know it's a small thing but it bothers me when he speaks just like Kyle's constant umm's during his speeches.

Hopefully that's the worst thing I'll be able to say about him after the season.

In his defense, he was drafted for how he throws, runs and processes a defense. Not how vast a vocabulary he has. He's just trying to be positive, super positive.

Public speaking is a difficult task and is the number 1 fear of the average American. I'll give him a break on overusing "super".
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