Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread | Page 2596

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Slight wobble detected in slow motion but nothing big. Definitely improving.

https://youtu.be/edwQnL-BYAI
Look at this wobble. Brady should be ashamed and they shouldn't count that td

Yes let's compare Trey to the GOAT.

It's more about how even the best are known for throwing wobblers sometimes. Nothing to do with comparisons

As Peyton Manning once said, "I do throw ducks - I throw a lot of yards and touchdown ducks. I'm actually quite proud of it". I'm more interested in him throwing a catchable ball and making the right throw.

I just hope to goodness we don't have 10 pages of dissecting a pass for a first down, this year.

Let's remember the most important things this season.
NOT GETTING HURT
Making the right reads
Getting the ball out on time
Getting the offense in the right play

Things that will/should be a work in progress so it's nothing to fret too much about:
Footwork
Mistakes vs defenses he's never seen before
Forcing plays.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by krizay:
Over the years a lot of the black QBs admitted to not watching a lot of film. So why is it so surprising that their football intelligence is questioned.

"Their." Uhmmm....okay.

Glad our QB is such a positive guy cause this stuff isint going to ever just vanish into thin air.

Let's look at the two non athletic blcak QBs and see what their profiles had to say.

Teddy Bridgewater

A calculated, football-smart, precision-matchup rhythm passer, Bridgewater would be best suited entering a warm-weather or dome environment such as those most common in the South divisions. Would stand to benefit heavily from operating a short, dink-and-dunk rhythm passing game. Compensates for a lack of elite arm talent and prototype measureables with the intangibles and football intelligence that could elevate the other 52 players around him. Instinctive passer with the laser-beam determination to become a Pro Bowl-caliber passer in the right system.

Jameis Winston

Winston is a big, highly competitive pocket passer who played in a pro-style offense and showed an ability to anticipate throwing windows, scan the entire field and make the NFL throws. His wind-up delivery and marginal mobility outside the pocket are reminiscent of Byron Leftwich, but his arm talent and issues with decision making are more in line with Eli Manning's. Winston's football potential is clearer than so-called "system" or "one-read" quarterbacks, but every stone must be overturned in an attempt to piece together a predictive character profile on Winston. Winston's supreme confidence might be considered arrogance by some, but even that trait will be alluring to teams who need to find a franchise quarterback.

But lets take a look at the rest of the black QBs

Cam Newton 2011 (not exactly wrong on their description IMO)

Newton is one of the most athletically gifted quarterbacks in draft history. Possesses a quick, clean release, enough arm strength to complete the deep out, prototypical size, and is a dangerous threat outside of the pocket. However, he has a ways to go before turning into a productive, reliable NFL starter. Was not asked to make pro-style reads or move through progressions in college. Footwork is sloppy and accuracy is inconsistent. He's competitive and vocal on the field, but has had several off-the-field issues and his character is in question. Despite the risk, Newton's talent will likely prevent him from lasting past the middle of the first round.

RGIII 2012 (hmm! smart in the description of a black QB it cant be)

Many would argue that RG3 is not only the most physically gifted quarterback in the 2012 draft, but that he is the most talented player overall. His intangibles are making so many general managers swoon. Griffin, because of his athletic ability and Joe Montana-like ability to extend plays and remain focused on moving the ball downfield, not to mention his hurdling ability, stands to potentially be the better prospect when matching up physical traits with Luck. Nonetheless, RG3 likely will be a top-five pick and is so talented that teams with large investments in young quarterbacks, such as Sam Bradford in St. Louis, will have a tough time passing up on the opportunity to draft a potential game-changer.

While many would argue that RG3 might be an athlete playing quarterback, his senior year reaffirmed that he is simply an athletic quarterback, a guy who can make all the smart throws first, and create later if necessary

EJ Manuel 2013. (WHAT! back to back years calling a balck QB smart/intelligent. But I thought...)

As gifted as any quarterback in the class, the physically imposing Manuel has a chance to shoot up this list using his strong arm and mobility in 2012. Scouts appreciate his leadership qualities and toughness (played through his mom's cancer treatments and a broken leg in 2011's Champs Sports Bowl win over Notre Dame), and hope he can improve on his consistency. The Seminoles' decision-making and accuracy drop in the face of pressure, but Manuel has the velocity and mobility teams look for in a project quarterback.

Intelligent, high character team leader

2014 Teddy Bridgewater (above)
2015 Jameis Winston (above)

That makes 4 out of 5 1st round QBs labeled smart/intelligent

Mahomes 2017 (can't cargue too much with this) No question of his intelligence

Mahomes is a big, confident quarterback who brings a variety of physical tools to the party, but he's developed some bad habits and doesn't have a very repeatable process as a passer. Mahomes' ability to improvise and extend plays can lead to big plays for his offense, but he will have to prove he can operate with better anticipation and be willing to take what the defense gives him in order to win from the pocket. Mahomes will be a work in progress, but he's a high ceiling, low floor prospect.

Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him
Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice

He's got a great arm, big balls and he's mobile. He is going to drive his head coach crazy for the first couple of years and there is no getting around that. If it clicks for him and he's coachable, I think he could become a special quarterback." -

Deshaun Watson 2017(1st one I can say that intelligence may have been questioned)

Teams will have to weigh the inconsistent field vision and decision-making against his size, athleticism, leadership and production. While not perfect, teams can add checks to both arm and accuracy boxes for Watson. However, discussions about whether or not his areas of improvement can be corrected will likely determine whether a team will view him as a high-upside prospect or a franchise quarterback. Watson's transition from Clemson's offense to a pro-style attack will obviously take time, but his combination of intangibles and athletic ability make him worth a first-round selection.

Has to become adept at working through progressions and playing chess against safeties
Needs to let routes develop rather than rushing anticipatory throws
Too many interceptions due to lack of vision, placement or decision-making

Lamar Jackson 2018 (due to Lamar Jackson the CB from nebraska I couldn't find the QB's profile. didn't want to use a different site)

Kyler Murray 2019 nothing neither good nor bad about his intelligence.

Severely undersized, one-year starter with rare playmaking talent that could force general managers to reassess long-held notions about size and style for a franchise quarterback. Murray is like a complex burgundy with notes of Baker Mayfield, Johnny Manziel and Russell Wilson in his play, but like any quarterback, he'll need to prove he can recognize disguised coverages and work on-time from the pocket to go from flash talent to playoff winner. Teams drafting him need to have the right coordinator and must be committed to framing their offense specifically to Murray's strengths and weaknesses, which could require additional roster re-configuration. Murray is an electric talent with a live arm, good mental makeup and the skill-set to produce at a high level in the right offense.

Dwayne Haskins 2019 another non mobile black QB giving credit for his intelligence

Big and talented with explosive arm talent but limited mobility Haskins is a chance-taker with the arm strength to get away with some tight window throws that most in this class can't make. Haskins is still very early in his journey and is prone to misreading coverage and stalling in getting through his progressions. While this is normal for an inexperienced quarterback, Haskins is going to be forced to learn on the fly against NFL speed and defensive coordinators conspiring to defeat him. His athletic limitations could keep him pocket-bound, but he has the arm talent, confidence and pocket savvy to become a good NFL starter if he's protected and given the time to develop early on.

Shows potential to be a full-field reader on NFL level

Tua 2020 neither here nor there on his intelligence

Talented dual-threat quarterback with winning background, explosive production and loads of experience in high-leverage games. He may be pigeon-holed into a spread or RPO-heavy attack, but he's actually a clean fit in a pro-style attack filled with play-action and roll-outs. He has the release, accuracy and touch needed to work all three levels successfully and can become a more disciplined, full-field reader to piece the puzzle together against NFL coverages. He needs better poise when pressured, but his escapability not only moves the chains, it creates chunk plays in the air and on the ground. Teams assessing his draft value will need to sift through mounting durability concerns and decide whether he is a "face of the franchise" talent without the abundance of talent surrounding him.

Jordan Love 2020 ( i guess we can chalk him up to questioned intelligence)

Challenging evaluation for quarterback-needy teams balancing traits and potential against disappointing 2019 tape. Staff turnover and new starters across the offense are partly to blame for his regression, but self-made flaws in process were also concerns. Love's accuracy took a step back, and his delayed reaction from "see it" to "throw it" when making reads is troubling. He has the arm to stick throws into tight windows but needs better eye discipline and anticipation to keep windows open. His size, mobility and arm talent combined with his 2018 flashes could be a winning hand that leads a team into the future or a siren's song of erratic play and unfulfilled potential.

Below-average decision-making against zone looks
Allowed coverage to swarm due to lack of anticipation

Trey Lance 2021 nothing but positives about intelligence

One-year starter who dazzled in 2019. Lance is mature for his age, but will be just 20 years old at the time of the 2021 NFL Draft. Heâ€™s a rare dual-threat quarterback in that heâ€™s tasked with setting his own protections and reading the full field. Coaches rave about his football IQ and film work. They believe he will come into the league more football savvy than most of the quarterbacks in this draft. Tape shows very average arm strength but velocity should improve with better lower-body drive. While his recognition of coverage danger is a plus, heâ€™s currently more of a "yellow light" quarterback who needs to find a "green light" risk-taking mentality to become a playmaking talent in the NFL. An offensive coordinator willing to blend his run/pass talent with a play-action attack could get the most out of Lance, who should become a good NFL starter.

Film junkie with high football IQ and an NFL frame.
Makes calls to set his own protections.
Passing scheme encourages full-field reads.
Processes progressions very quickly and can work to his fourth read when protected.
Able to mentally recalibrate his attack when play comes off schedule.

Justin Fields 2021 intelligence to me was viewed as neutral

Like Dak Prescott before him, Fields enters the league with dual-threat capabilities but is more of a pocket passer with the ability to extend plays or win with his legs when needed. He was up and down in 2020, but a bounce-back performance against Clemson -- including an impressive second half after suffering an injury -- said a lot about his toughness and leadership. He sees the field fairly well inside the Buckeyesâ€™ quarterback-friendly offense but needs to become a full-field reader and prevent his eyes from becoming transfixed on primary targets. He sticks open throws with accuracy and velocity thanks to a sturdy platform and good drive mechanics. Heâ€™s also comfortable throwing into intermediate holes of a zone. A slower operation time and a lack of a twitchy trigger will require him to work with better anticipation and pressure recognition pre- and post-snap. He takes more sacks than coaches will be comfortable with but he also digs his way out of holes and creates explosive plays. Fields operates with a quiet confidence and has experience overcoming adversity. He should continue to improve and become a solid NFL starter within a couple of seasons.

Makes quality reads when deciphering high-low concepts.

Field vision is average in face of the blitz

So out of all of these QBs only Cam, Watson & Love I would consider their intelligence questioned.

I understand I only used one site (nfl.com) but wanted to keep it apples to apples.