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Aug 3, 2022 at 4:56 PM
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's right or wrong, but all the cool kids are doing it

Eric Crocker said today that he spoke to someone from 3DQB off-the-record about what Trey worked on this offseason with them and he said they only worked on footwork and lower body mechanics. They did not work on anything with his upper body throwing mechanics nor did they receive any notes from the 49ers about working on anything related to his throwing motion.

I'm betting prior to the draft, he was working on those throwing mechanics. It's not rocket science. He probably still has his tape of his throwing motions and the ideal throwing motion, and he can still dust that off and work on it - after the footwork stuff. In other words, the fact that he didn't work on his throwing motion *this* offseason, doesn't mean he didn't work on it at all. In my opinion comparing his throwing motion from NDSU and today is night and day.
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:03 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's right or wrong, but all the cool kids are doing it

Eric Crocker said today that he spoke to someone from 3DQB off-the-record about what Trey worked on this offseason with them and he said they only worked on footwork and lower body mechanics. They did not work on anything with his upper body throwing mechanics nor did they receive any notes from the 49ers about working on anything related to his throwing motion.

I'm betting prior to the draft, he was working on those throwing mechanics. It's not rocket science. He probably still has his tape of his throwing motions and the ideal throwing motion, and he can still dust that off and work on it - after the footwork stuff. In other words, the fact that he didn't work on his throwing motion *this* offseason, doesn't mean he didn't work on it at all. In my opinion comparing his throwing motion from NDSU and today is night and day.

Oh, I have no doubt that he works on it or has worked on it. I just think it gives good insight into what they (the team and Trey) are prioritizing.
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:04 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's right or wrong, but all the cool kids are doing it

Eric Crocker said today that he spoke to someone from 3DQB off-the-record about what Trey worked on this offseason with them and he said they only worked on footwork and lower body mechanics. They did not work on anything with his upper body throwing mechanics nor did they receive any notes from the 49ers about working on anything related to his throwing motion.

I'm betting prior to the draft, he was working on those throwing mechanics. It's not rocket science. He probably still has his tape of his throwing motions and the ideal throwing motion, and he can still dust that off and work on it - after the footwork stuff. In other words, the fact that he didn't work on his throwing motion *this* offseason, doesn't mean he didn't work on it at all. In my opinion comparing his throwing motion from NDSU and today is night and day.

Great stuff
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:19 PM
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's right or wrong, but all the cool kids are doing it

Eric Crocker said today that he spoke to someone from 3DQB off-the-record about what Trey worked on this offseason with them and he said they only worked on footwork and lower body mechanics. They did not work on anything with his upper body throwing mechanics nor did they receive any notes from the 49ers about working on anything related to his throwing motion.

I'm betting prior to the draft, he was working on those throwing mechanics. It's not rocket science. He probably still has his tape of his throwing motions and the ideal throwing motion, and he can still dust that off and work on it - after the footwork stuff. In other words, the fact that he didn't work on his throwing motion *this* offseason, doesn't mean he didn't work on it at all. In my opinion comparing his throwing motion from NDSU and today is night and day.

Great stuff

I don't see the big deal on his throwing motion, looks good and quick to me. We're not talking about Byron Leftwich here
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:23 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Look at that off structure throw


Haha. That was on schedule. Note all the OL and chip block moving with Montana.

We might see some of that this year with a rolling pocket.

Nope throwing off your back foot with pressure in your face isn't a in rhythm throw.

It was a designed play, Clark was the second or third read according to Walsh. Freddie Solomon was the primary read, they scored the first td of the game on the exact same play. Did you mean off platform throw?
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:29 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by FL9er:
I'm hoping he can up the completion percentage to 62-63%.

Honestly it looks unlikely. And that may not be a huge bummer. His ypa will be high.

If he's throwing a lot to the running backs, his numbers could be as high as low to mid 60's.

Anything less than %60 is unacceptable for a starting quarterback.
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:35 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's right or wrong, but all the cool kids are doing it

Thank you! His release is fine and people crying about it don't understand the mechanics of throwing.

Accuracy is all about the lower half, which can be worked on constantly.

Forgive me for thinking guys like Tom House/3DQB and Quincy Avery have a better understanding of throwing mechanics then Joe blow in here or on Twitter.
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:40 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
It was a designed play, Clark was the second or third read according to Walsh. Freddie Solomon was the primary read, they scored the first td of the game on the exact same play. Did you mean off platform throw?

A designed play where it was was his 2nd/3rd read and had to throw a ball off his back foot and with pressure coming down on him….

Off platform/off structure plays are the same thing.

Making a play outside the pocket that requires you to scramble to let someone get open and make a throw requiring you do make a throw without setting your feet, that's something not every QB can do
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:41 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Thank you! His release is fine and people crying about it don't understand the mechanics of throwing.

Accuracy is all about the lower half, which can be worked on constantly.

Forgive me for thinking guys like Tom House/3DQB and Quincy Avery have a better understanding of throwing mechanics then Joe blow in here or on Twitter.

%100 footwork has the biggest impact on accuracy. Even looks like he listened to Rice and worked on his touch on the stuff 20 yards and under. Get that completion percentage up north of %60, and he's good to go.
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:48 PM
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by FL9er:
I'm hoping he can up the completion percentage to 62-63%.

Honestly it looks unlikely. And that may not be a huge bummer. His ypa will be high.

If he's throwing a lot to the running backs, his numbers could be as high as low to mid 60's.

Anything less than %60 is unacceptable for a starting quarterback.

I dunno, it depends on the system. Lamar Jackson was 58% in his rookie season and Baltimore went 10-6. Point is, yes of course, 60+ % is better than 50+%, but the most important thing is he's able to move the offense.

My other point is that the RB in the flat is going to be open all day in Kyle's system. It's the layup that everybody is mentioning. If Trey can hit his RB's - I'm predicting, he'll have 60+% completion rate this year.
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:48 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Anything less than %60 is unacceptable for a starting quarterback.

Completion % is a overblown stat. Yeah you can complete 70% of your passes if they're a bunch of quick slants and bubble screens. We all want completions but stuff that matters
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Aug 3, 2022 at 5:49 PM ]
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:51 PM
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Look at that off structure throw


Haha. That was on schedule. Note all the OL and chip block moving with Montana.

We might see some of that this year with a rolling pocket.

Nope throwing off your back foot with pressure in your face isn't a in rhythm throw.

It was a designed play, Clark was the second or third read according to Walsh. Freddie Solomon was the primary read, they scored the first td of the game on the exact same play. Did you mean off platform throw?

Well the QB scramble drill can start out like the play above (Sprint Right option) and he can reverse it - and sprint left. But the point is, once the WR's look back, and depending on Trey's position, they break off their routes and go to their scramble option drill. Midget Wilson has killed so many teams in the fourth quarter doing that. I'm looking forward to Trey doing that as well.
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:52 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Well the QB scramble drill can start out like the play above (Sprint Right option) and he can reverse it - and sprint left. But the point is, once the WR's look back, and depending on Trey's position, they break off their routes and go to their scramble option drill. Midget Wilson has killed so many teams in the fourth quarter doing that. I'm looking forward to Trey doing that as well.

Yup
Aug 3, 2022 at 5:53 PM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by FL9er:
I'm hoping he can up the completion percentage to 62-63%.

Honestly it looks unlikely. And that may not be a huge bummer. His ypa will be high.

If he's throwing a lot to the running backs, his numbers could be as high as low to mid 60's.

Anything less than %60 is unacceptable for a starting quarterback.

I dunno, it depends on the system. Lamar Jackson was 58% in his rookie season and Baltimore went 10-6. Point is, yes of course, 60+ % is better than 50+%, but the most important thing is he's able to move the offense.

My other point is that the RB in the flat is going to be open all day in Kyle's system. It's the layup that everybody is mentioning. If Trey can hit his RB's - I'm predicting, he'll have 60+% completion rate this year.

I'm interested to seeing what Trey will look like in the move the ball periods it feels like we aren't doing as many as compared to last year. Based off what I've heard he's attempting deeper and difficult shots right now and that's why bid percentage is so poor, so I'm curious to see if he's taking these deep shots because he's just working on hitting the intermediate or is just ignoring the short passes and not seeing them.
Aug 3, 2022 at 6:06 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
It was a designed play, Clark was the second or third read according to Walsh. Freddie Solomon was the primary read, they scored the first td of the game on the exact same play. Did you mean off platform throw?

A designed play where it was was his 2nd/3rd read and had to throw a ball off his back foot and with pressure coming down on him….

Off platform/off structure plays are the same thing.

Making a play outside the pocket that requires you to scramble to let someone get open and make a throw requiring you do make a throw without setting your feet, that's something not every QB can do

To me, off schedule is related to the play call itself being disrupted and the QB having to go back yard ball. Off platform is how the QB throws it.

Pressure can cause both.

To me this was an on schedule play (ran exactly how it was drawn up and practiced) but yeah, the throw itself was off platform for sure (i.e. pressure coming and QB buying time until the last second for the 2nd progression).

No biggie. We'll see both with Trey, no doubt.
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