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Aug 3, 2022 at 6:10 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
To me, off schedule is related to the play call itself being disrupted and the QB having to go back yard ball. Off platform is how the QB throws it.

Pressure can cause both.

To me this was an on schedule play (ran exactly how it was drawn up and practiced) but yeah, the throw itself was off platform for sure (i.e. pressure coming and QB buying time until the last second for the 2nd progression).

No biggie. We'll see both with Trey, no doubt.

As Giedi explained (as did THL) it was not a scheduled play. Once you're out of the pocket and it's not your first read, it's not a timing/scheduled play.

this was both off structure and off platform. One of the greatest plays in NFL history
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Aug 3, 2022 at 6:13 PM ]
Aug 3, 2022 at 6:13 PM
I think throwing mechanics is overrated. If you can read defenses, and have a bunch of athletic ability, strong arm, and mentally strong, You are going to make plays. Now I think with some QB's the mechanics are needed to be successful. And those QB's are the ones who lack the arm strength, not much mobility. For example I think Mac Jones needs to have good throwing mechanics to be a very successful NFL QB. Would it help for Trey to have near perfect throwing mechanics? Sure but I don't think it's needed for him to be very successful.
Aug 3, 2022 at 6:24 PM
  • Furlow
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
To me, off schedule is related to the play call itself being disrupted and the QB having to go back yard ball. Off platform is how the QB throws it.

Pressure can cause both.

To me this was an on schedule play (ran exactly how it was drawn up and practiced) but yeah, the throw itself was off platform for sure (i.e. pressure coming and QB buying time until the last second for the 2nd progression).

No biggie. We'll see both with Trey, no doubt.

As Giedi explained (as did THL) it was not a scheduled play. Once you're out of the pocket and it's not your first read, it's not a timing/scheduled play.

this was both off structure and off platform. One of the greatest plays in NFL history

Off schedule but they practiced it constantly lol.
Aug 3, 2022 at 6:56 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
To me, off schedule is related to the play call itself being disrupted and the QB having to go back yard ball. Off platform is how the QB throws it.

Pressure can cause both.

To me this was an on schedule play (ran exactly how it was drawn up and practiced) but yeah, the throw itself was off platform for sure (i.e. pressure coming and QB buying time until the last second for the 2nd progression).

No biggie. We'll see both with Trey, no doubt.

As Giedi explained (as did THL) it was not a scheduled play. Once you're out of the pocket and it's not your first read, it's not a timing/scheduled play.

this was both off structure and off platform. One of the greatest plays in NFL history

Off schedule but they practiced it constantly lol.

Teams practice scramble drills...that doesnt mean the play call was for a scramble drill
Aug 3, 2022 at 7:32 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
To me, off schedule is related to the play call itself being disrupted and the QB having to go back yard ball. Off platform is how the QB throws it.

Pressure can cause both.

To me this was an on schedule play (ran exactly how it was drawn up and practiced) but yeah, the throw itself was off platform for sure (i.e. pressure coming and QB buying time until the last second for the 2nd progression).

No biggie. We'll see both with Trey, no doubt.

As Giedi explained (as did THL) it was not a scheduled play. Once you're out of the pocket and it's not your first read, it's not a timing/scheduled play.

this was both off structure and off platform. One of the greatest plays in NFL history

The actual play CALLS for the QB to be outside the pocket while still progression reading. You pass at point A if the 1 is open, point B if 1 is covered. This is not like a free rusher coming through the B gap completely blowing up the entire play to the point everyone is freelancing. That's off schedule (to me). I thought Kyle defined it as off script. I guess it's not as easy to define as I first thought. LOL.
Aug 3, 2022 at 7:35 PM
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Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's right or wrong, but all the cool kids are doing it


Hmmm random YouTube man or paid NFL professionals that do it every Sunday. Who to believe………………………
random YouTube man with video editing skills.
Aug 3, 2022 at 8:33 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
It was a designed play, Clark was the second or third read according to Walsh. Freddie Solomon was the primary read, they scored the first td of the game on the exact same play. Did you mean off platform throw?

A designed play where it was was his 2nd/3rd read and had to throw a ball off his back foot and with pressure coming down on him….

Off platform/off structure plays are the same thing.

Making a play outside the pocket that requires you to scramble to let someone get open and make a throw requiring you do make a throw without setting your feet, that's something not every QB can do

To me, off schedule is related to the play call itself being disrupted and the QB having to go back yard ball. Off platform is how the QB throws it.

Pressure can cause both.

To me this was an on schedule play (ran exactly how it was drawn up and practiced) but yeah, the throw itself was off platform for sure (i.e. pressure coming and QB buying time until the last second for the 2nd progression).

No biggie. We'll see both with Trey, no doubt.

Exactly. There's a short clip of Bill telling Joe that if he doesn't get what he wants to just simply throw it away, he then tells him to look for Dwight. So the play was on schedule, he just went to Dwight instead of Freddie Solomon like they did with the exact same play for their first score of the day.

I think we will see the pocket moving quite a bit this year, especially if the line proves to be problematic. Looking forward to seeing the kid catch his groove. I am so glad that the McCorkle rumors were baseless.
Aug 3, 2022 at 8:41 PM
Off schedule means outside of the play design to me, is that not correct?

The Catch is Sprint Right Option, if you look at the play diagram, you can see that the play ran to design.
Aug 3, 2022 at 8:59 PM
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Stacked on paper is meaningless.

Anyway, did you go see Jimmy run today?!?

Only thing meaningless is this reply.

But...but...but...Jimmy lol




Of course but…but…but…jimmy bc you hating on Lance because of him. Don't play coy.

Lance is gonna be 10 times the QB Jimmy ever was - but that time will come. Give it a year or two. Chill a little with your bogus expectations game. Everyone sees thru it.

Let Jimmy go. It's okay. He's pretty much not on the team anymore. Everything doesn't have to revolve around him.

Yeah, hopefully Lance is 10 times the QB we've had in the last 20+ years. That means multiple SBs for this team.

This team is loaded. There are a s**t ton of niner fans that are expecting big things after last years NFCCG. It has nothing to do with me....or Jimmy. This roster is stacked and if that hurts to hear or scares you, then too bad.

go back to your to love affair with LeBron. How many teams have you switched? 3? 4? I know for damn sure I ain't ever switching from the niners for any player. lol



I have been a season ticket holder for past 20 years - so I ain't going anywhere either buddy. I have my reasons why I prefer rooting for players in NBA and prefer my Niners, Giants, FC Barcelona in other sports. Frankly, I don't expect you to understand.

What I ain't gonna do is - put all the blame on my 22 yr old QB who is finally getting TC reps he deserve and is going to be a starter for the first time. If the team fails to deliver on my or yours made up training camp expectations - then it is what it is. It's on the team - not on 1 player.

If Lance plays terrible - he should be called out on that but with a caveat that he has to go thru growing pains. This is not some excuse. This is reality. This is why some of us wanted him to start last year. If you can't handle that - then sucks for you. I will come in here and defend him to the likes of you.

If he plays well - he should be commended bc that means he is ahead of schedule. Only time I'll start to have a problem with Lance is - if his level of play is the same in week 1-5 and week 14-18.
Aug 3, 2022 at 9:07 PM
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Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
To me, off schedule is related to the play call itself being disrupted and the QB having to go back yard ball. Off platform is how the QB throws it.

Pressure can cause both.

To me this was an on schedule play (ran exactly how it was drawn up and practiced) but yeah, the throw itself was off platform for sure (i.e. pressure coming and QB buying time until the last second for the 2nd progression).

No biggie. We'll see both with Trey, no doubt.

As Giedi explained (as did THL) it was not a scheduled play. Once you're out of the pocket and it's not your first read, it's not a timing/scheduled play.

this was both off structure and off platform. One of the greatest plays in NFL history

Off schedule but they practiced it constantly lol.

Teams practice scramble drills...that doesnt mean the play call was for a scramble drill

It wasn't a scramble drill, the play was "sprint right option.," a designed rollout. Clark was the last resort, but his route was part of the play design.
Aug 3, 2022 at 9:08 PM
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Off schedule means outside of the play design to me, is that not correct?

The Catch is Sprint Right Option, if you look at the play diagram, you can see that the play ran to design.

Yes you are correct, and you beat me to it.
Aug 3, 2022 at 9:13 PM
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's right or wrong, but all the cool kids are doing it


Hmmm random YouTube man or paid NFL professionals that do it every Sunday. Who to believe………………………
random YouTube man with video editing skills.

Wasn't trying to make an argument per se, just interesting that we're hearing about these QB's having "arm fatigue" coinciding with this new age side arm technique that everyone is being taught. Do you think these QB coaches are educated in biomechanics of the arm, elbow, etc? Seems doubtful.
Aug 3, 2022 at 9:15 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's right or wrong, but all the cool kids are doing it


Hmmm random YouTube man or paid NFL professionals that do it every Sunday. Who to believe………………………
random YouTube man with video editing skills.

Aug 3, 2022 at 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by thl408:
No idea what's right or wrong, but all the cool kids are doing it


Hmmm random YouTube man or paid NFL professionals that do it every Sunday. Who to believe………………………
random YouTube man with video editing skills.


just put some icy hot on it.
Aug 4, 2022 at 1:10 AM
With the team around him the coaches and his work ethic and talent I have no doubt barring injury that Trey will quickly show himself to be an upgrade over Jimmy

I believe we will immediately run the ball better as well as get bigger plays more consistently on offense
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