Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Anything less than %60 is unacceptable for a starting quarterback.

When this guy's completion % FINALLY dropped below 60%,....he won 2 additional back-to-back MVPs....

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Anything less than %60 is unacceptable for a starting quarterback.

When this guy's completion % FINALLY dropped below 60%,....he won 2 additional back-to-back MVPs....

Tbf those were two completely differrent eras passing then was a lot harder than passing now

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:
Tbf those were two completely differrent eras passing then was a lot harder than passing now

Completely different is an extreme exaggeration. Let's not pretend like those were the leather helmet days.

I guess you are going to ignore the consistent completion % he had above 60%,....as high as 64% in his 1st full year starting (was passing harder then too?),....only to dip in the the lower percentages and win 2 MVPs?

Given the data that's there,....you know, MVP trophies and stuff,....I think the world doesn't end once completion % drops below 60%.

The 1 number test while ignoring everything else is usually going to fail in football.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Off schedule but they practiced it constantly lol.

Wilson practices scramble drills constantly in Seattle….what's you point lol? It's NOT a 3 step drop back with clear reads that you can hit on your drop. Nothing about it is a rhythm pass like you want so badly here.

once you move outside of the pocket, all bet are off if it's not a clear first read.

Originally posted by NCommand:
The actual play CALLS for the QB to be outside the pocket while still progression reading. You pass at point A if the 1 is open, point B if 1 is covered. This is not like a free rusher coming through the B gap completely blowing up the entire play to the point everyone is freelancing. That's off schedule (to me). I thought Kyle defined it as off script. I guess it's not as easy to define as I first thought. LOL.

yeah like there wasn't a free rusher coming after Joe outside of the pocket lol. Joe had to hold the ball longer to allow the receiver to get open coming across the field. He had to throw off his back foot. That is a off structure of play (to me). It's not sitting in the pocket and throwing to his first read on a 3 step.

once you move outside of the pocket with no real protection, all bets are off.

Lol at thinking less than 60% is successful in today's NFL. There were only a few below 60% last year and not a single one of them had a good season. Not one.

The lack of confidence and excuses already for Trey... Let's let the guy play.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2021/reg/all/passingyards/desc

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol at thinking less than 60% is successful in today's NFL. There were only a few below 60% last year and not a single one if them had a good season.

The lack of confidence and excuses in Trey... .

Completion % is a hollow stat. You can complete 70% of your passes if they're a f**k ton of screens, short slants, check downs etc. air yards per attempt along with comp % paints a better picture.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Completion % is a hollow stat. You can complete 70% of your passes if they're a f**k ton of screens, short slants, check downs etc. air yards per attempt along with comp % paints a better picture.

yards/attempt is the best way

i dont care if you are throwing short passes but if you are averaging 7.5+yards/attempt you will constantly be moving the ball

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol at thinking less than 60% is successful in today's NFL. There were only a few below 60% last year and not a single one if them had a good season.

The lack of confidence and excuses in Trey... .

Completion % is a hollow stat. You can complete 70% of your passes if they're a f**k ton of screens, short slants, check downs etc. air yards per attempt along with comp % paints a better picture.

Its not a tell all but it's a pretty damn easy thing to accomplish across the entire NFL board. But I'm cool to hear who threw under 60% and was successful last year. Can you back that up?

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Completion % is a hollow stat. You can complete 70% of your passes if they're a f**k ton of screens, short slants, check downs etc. air yards per attempt along with comp % paints a better picture.

yards/attempt is the best way

i dont care if you are throwing short passes but if you are averaging 7.5+yards/attempt you will constantly be moving the ball

Wouldn't using completion % + ADOT be a better way to judge a QB's performance if you are truly attempting to sepatate QB play from overall offensive play?

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Completion % is a hollow stat. You can complete 70% of your passes if they're a f**k ton of screens, short slants, check downs etc. air yards per attempt along with comp % paints a better picture.

yards/attempt is the best way

i dont care if you are throwing short passes but if you are averaging 7.5+yards/attempt you will constantly be moving the ball

The best is to look at a collection of stats,....never 1 stat and then saying "the world ends if it's not above this amount." That'll just never make much sense, as the above example shows.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Completion % is a hollow stat. You can complete 70% of your passes if they're a f**k ton of screens, short slants, check downs etc. air yards per attempt along with comp % paints a better picture.

yards/attempt is the best way

i dont care if you are throwing short passes but if you are averaging 7.5+yards/attempt you will constantly be moving the ball

That's another hollow stat imo. It doesn't take out YAC. (If we're focusing on depth of target/completion).

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Completion % is a hollow stat. You can complete 70% of your passes if they're a f**k ton of screens, short slants, check downs etc. air yards per attempt along with comp % paints a better picture.

yards/attempt is the best way

i dont care if you are throwing short passes but if you are averaging 7.5+yards/attempt you will constantly be moving the ball

Wouldn't using completion % + ADOT be a better way to judge a QB's performance if you are truly attempting to sepatate QB play from overall offensive play?

Yes.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Its not a tell all but it's a pretty damn easy thing to accomplish across the entire NFL board. But I'm cool to hear who threw under 60% and was successful last year. Can you back that up?

"easy thing to accomplish" doesnt necessarily make it a goal that a player or coach is trying to accomplish. The coach may tell you "since it's 1st down in the RZ,...throw it away if this or that isint open on these particular plays." That hurts completion percentage and doesnt really account for any storytelling as far as the QB's performance is concerned.

Favre hit @ 64% his 1st year starting. If that was the goal for the rest of his career,...I'm sure he could've continued hitting at that mark,...no? But apparently him and Holmgren didn't give a damn and were more concerned with touchdowns and yards and stuff.

Crazy concept, right?

It's extremely standard guys. C'mon. There is not one, not a single, QB who through under 60% and had an even decent season.