Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by thl408:
wow name change bet. this is high stakes here

I'll bet some good money if you want. But again, my point is made. My bet wasn't even taken with nothing on the line. We all know I'm right, let's move on.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by thl408:
wow name change bet. this is high stakes here

I'll bet some good money if you want. But again, my point is made. My bet wasn't even taken with nothing on the line. We all know I'm right.

no idea what the bet is, just thought it was lame to bet on a name change.

Originally posted by thl408:
no idea what the bet is, just thought it was lame to bet on a name change.

I agree, it was supposed to be in good fun

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
but I would be willing to bet you something not overly serious(though I'd put a lot of money on it but I don't want it to be serious) that Trey throws better than 60%.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by thl408:
wow name change bet. this is high stakes here

I'll bet some good money if you want. But again, my point is made. My bet wasn't even taken with nothing on the line. We all know I'm right.

no idea what the bet is, just thought it was lame to bet on a name change.

But think if TreyDey wins he can give the other guy some random name

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by thl408:
wow name change bet. this is high stakes here

I'll bet some good money if you want. But again, my point is made. My bet wasn't even taken with nothing on the line. We all know I'm right.

no idea what the bet is, just thought it was lame to bet on a name change.

But think if TreyDey wins he can give the other guy some random name

btw name changes without a validated reason require a mandatory $20 USD payment to each moderator. most major credit cards accepted

Getting a "He ain't bad vibe"

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by FL9er:
I'm hoping he can up the completion percentage to 62-63%.

Honestly it looks unlikely. And that may not be a huge bummer. His ypa will be high.

If he's throwing a lot to the running backs, his numbers could be as high as low to mid 60's.

Anything less than %60 is unacceptable for a starting quarterback.

I dunno, it depends on the system. Lamar Jackson was 58% in his rookie season and Baltimore went 10-6. Point is, yes of course, 60+ % is better than 50+%, but the most important thing is he's able to move the offense.

My other point is that the RB in the flat is going to be open all day in Kyle's system. It's the layup that everybody is mentioning. If Trey can hit his RB's - I'm predicting, he'll have 60+% completion rate this year.

I'm interested to seeing what Trey will look like in the move the ball periods it feels like we aren't doing as many as compared to last year. Based off what I've heard he's attempting deeper and difficult shots right now and that's why bid percentage is so poor, so I'm curious to see if he's taking these deep shots because he's just working on hitting the intermediate or is just ignoring the short passes and not seeing them.

He has to work on the timing of the deeper shots, this is different from *anticipation of the throwing windows* which is more of a QB defensive reading issue. The timing is more of a WR speed thing and how the ball will intersect with the WR route. I think once the deeper routes are timed up, the shorter routes are easier to time up.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by thl408:
wow name change bet. this is high stakes here

I'll bet some good money if you want. But again, my point is made. My bet wasn't even taken with nothing on the line. We all know I'm right.

no idea what the bet is, just thought it was lame to bet on a name change.

But think if TreyDey wins he can give the other guy some random name

btw name changes without a validated reason require a mandatory $20 USD payment to each moderator. most major credit cards accepted

Count me in lol. I'm fully confident in Trey throwing for 60+%. As I pointed out, only really garbage QBs, like the worst of the worst have not hit that mark lately.

It'll be insanely disappointing if Trey with Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk and Jennings(breakout year imo) doesn't do what only Sam Darnold, Lawrence, Fields and Zach Wilson couldn't do last year

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by thl408:
wow name change bet. this is high stakes here

I'll bet some good money if you want. But again, my point is made. My bet wasn't even taken with nothing on the line. We all know I'm right.

no idea what the bet is, just thought it was lame to bet on a name change.

But think if TreyDey wins he can give the other guy some random name

btw name changes without a validated reason require a mandatory $20 USD payment to each moderator. most major credit cards accepted

Count me in lol. I'm fully confident in Trey throwing for 60+%. As I pointed out, only really garbage QBs, like the worst of the worst have not hit that mark lately.

It'll be insanely disappointing if Trey with Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk and Jennings(breakout year imo) doesn't do what only Sam Darnold, Lawrence, Fields and Zach Wilson couldn't do last year

He should be able to get to 60%. I think there will be enough bubble screens and simple throws (ex: bootlegs/slides to Kittle) dialed up that will help Lance achieve that bar. A lot will depend on the difficulty of what Lance chooses to do. If he's consistently trying to push the ball downfield, then that matters in the overall completion % and we'll have to use our eyes to determine how accurate he is.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I think throwing mechanics is overrated. If you can read defenses, and have a bunch of athletic ability, strong arm, and mentally strong, You are going to make plays. Now I think with some QB's the mechanics are needed to be successful. And those QB's are the ones who lack the arm strength, not much mobility. For example I think Mac Jones needs to have good throwing mechanics to be a very successful NFL QB. Would it help for Trey to have near perfect throwing mechanics? Sure but I don't think it's needed for him to be very successful.

As Steve Young put it - a QB needs to be able to spot the open receiver, and the next skill he needs is to get it to the open receiver.

Throwing mechanics falls into the *get it to the open receiver* subject. I think throwing mechanics change depending on what the QB is doing. If he's in the pocket, he needs to have a different throwing mechanic than when he's a mobile QB like Trey. There is a difference when you are throwing with both feet flat on the ground versus if you are in mid stride and both feet off the ground. Joe had wonderful throwing mechanics when he was off balance or up in the air. There is a reason Joe's in the hall of fame, and one of the reasons is that he had wonderful quick feet that could set properly and throw when in the pocket, and at the same time move him and help in throw when in the air. Some players have naturally good throwing mechanics like Joe, others like Steve had to work at it and figure it out.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by thl408:
wow name change bet. this is high stakes here

I'll bet some good money if you want. But again, my point is made. My bet wasn't even taken with nothing on the line. We all know I'm right.

no idea what the bet is, just thought it was lame to bet on a name change.

But think if TreyDey wins he can give the other guy some random name

btw name changes without a validated reason require a mandatory $20 USD payment to each moderator. most major credit cards accepted

Count me in lol. I'm fully confident in Trey throwing for 60+%. As I pointed out, only really garbage QBs, like the worst of the worst have not hit that mark lately.

It'll be insanely disappointing if Trey with Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk and Jennings(breakout year imo) doesn't do what only Sam Darnold, Lawrence, Fields and Zach Wilson couldn't do last year

He should be able to get to 60%. I think there will be enough bubble screens and simple throws (ex: bootlegs/slides to Kittle) dialed up that will help Lance achieve that bar. A lot will depend on the difficulty of what Lance chooses to do. If he's consistently trying to push the ball downfield, then that matters in the overall completion % and we'll have to use our eyes to determine how accurate he is.

I think Trey will be hitting those RB's in the flat a lot. He's a very cautious QB in real games. In TC, he's letting it loose.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
It was a designed play, Clark was the second or third read according to Walsh. Freddie Solomon was the primary read, they scored the first td of the game on the exact same play. Did you mean off platform throw?

A designed play where it was was his 2nd/3rd read and had to throw a ball off his back foot and with pressure coming down on him….

Off platform/off structure plays are the same thing.

Making a play outside the pocket that requires you to scramble to let someone get open and make a throw requiring you do make a throw without setting your feet, that's something not every QB can do

To me, off schedule is related to the play call itself being disrupted and the QB having to go back yard ball. Off platform is how the QB throws it.

Pressure can cause both.

To me this was an on schedule play (ran exactly how it was drawn up and practiced) but yeah, the throw itself was off platform for sure (i.e. pressure coming and QB buying time until the last second for the 2nd progression).

No biggie. We'll see both with Trey, no doubt.

Exactly. There's a short clip of Bill telling Joe that if he doesn't get what he wants to just simply throw it away, he then tells him to look for Dwight. So the play was on schedule, he just went to Dwight instead of Freddie Solomon like they did with the exact same play for their first score of the day.

I think we will see the pocket moving quite a bit this year, especially if the line proves to be problematic. Looking forward to seeing the kid catch his groove. I am so glad that the McCorkle rumors were baseless.

Here's the thing though - Joe never saw Dwight. Joe *guessed* where he was and threw to a spot where he *thought* he would be. Too Tall and Larry Bethea were in his face blocking his view of Dwight. Trey is going to have to develop that *trust* and *synchronicity* with Deebo and Aiyuk, the way Joe did with Dwight and Rice. That will take a bit of time. I hope folks here will be patient with Trey.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
With the team around him the coaches and his work ethic and talent I have no doubt barring injury that Trey will quickly show himself to be an upgrade over Jimmy

I believe we will immediately run the ball better as well as get bigger plays more consistently on offense

I think that is obvious. Personally, I think what is much more impressive to me is Kyle changing up his philosophy and going to a mobile QB when most if his past QB's were pocket QBs. Contrast that with a guy like Bill Bellicheat who drafted another Tom Brady-like pocket QB last year. Clearly Bill hasn't moved from the pocket QB to the more mobile QB's of today like the younger coaches more offensive oriented coaches have.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
With the team around him the coaches and his work ethic and talent I have no doubt barring injury that Trey will quickly show himself to be an upgrade over Jimmy

I believe we will immediately run the ball better as well as get bigger plays more consistently on offense

I think that is obvious. Personally, I think what is much more impressive to me is Kyle changing up his philosophy and going to a mobile QB when most if his past QB's were pocket QBs. Contrast that with a guy like Bill Bellicheat who drafted another Tom Brady-like pocket QB last year. Clearly Bill hasn't moved from the pocket QB to the more mobile QB's of today like the younger coaches more offensive oriented coaches have.

Belichik did sign Cam Newton and proceeded to use him as a runner in goal line situations. So he understands the benefits of having a mobile QB. It's just too bad Cam was so inaccurate as a thrower at this stage in his career.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
With the team around him the coaches and his work ethic and talent I have no doubt barring injury that Trey will quickly show himself to be an upgrade over Jimmy

I believe we will immediately run the ball better as well as get bigger plays more consistently on offense

I think that is obvious. Personally, I think what is much more impressive to me is Kyle changing up his philosophy and going to a mobile QB when most if his past QB's were pocket QBs. Contrast that with a guy like Bill Bellicheat who drafted another Tom Brady-like pocket QB last year. Clearly Bill hasn't moved from the pocket QB to the more mobile QB's of today like the younger coaches more offensive oriented coaches have.

Belichik did sign Cam Newton and proceeded to use him as a runner in goal line situations. So he understands the benefits of having a mobile QB. It's just too bad Cam was so inaccurate as a thrower at this stage in his career.

Good point THL, forgot that Cam was a Patriot once. I think Kyle had good reasons to stick with a pocket QB in the past. But he spent 👀mucho👀draft picks to get a mobile QB. I think - to a certain extent - he's still traumatized by Mahomes in that super bowl game.