Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by raywm3:
I have to wonder that if Lance ends up sucking, what's his leash timeline before everyone treats him like Garoppolo? I'm guessing a season and a half.

i think how he is sucking will add context

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by raywm3:
I have to wonder that if Lance ends up sucking, what's his leash timeline before everyone treats him like Garoppolo? I'm guessing a season and a half.

i think how he is sucking will add context

If context mattered we'd probably be a little easier on JG around here 🤣🤣🤣

I saw some practice videos from camp today that had Trey practicing the shuffle pass.

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

And Trey is working with The Godfather of throwing mechanics in Tom house along with a bunch of throwing coaches at 3DQB. How about you defer to people who do it for a living instead of pretending you know more than you do?

every single QB gets "arm fatigue" through training camp. Our HC who knows a f**k ton more then you and has been around it for decades said this much.

Stafford has over 7,000 in-season passing attempts and probably double that including practice…stop the nonsense.

you love making a mountain out of a mole hill because you have a narrative to push clearly. Pretty f**king sad.

I'm waiting for the regular season to see how he balls after a few games with defensive coordinators dissecting the games. And I'm ignoring everything coming out of the press. Jeff Garcia sucked during practice but played well for us in the games. And I'm mostly ignoring this season after going through the Alex Smith experience, and then saw what happened with Kap post Super Bowl. Expect to be pleased in upcoming seasons.

Originally posted by raywm3:
I have to wonder that if Lance ends up sucking, what's his leash timeline before everyone treats him like Garoppolo? I'm guessing a season and a half.

For us to be comfortable enough to get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo and not even entertain a QB competition, I'd be shocked if Trey isn't at least decent.

The narratives are all over the place though. Some people saying he's not ready. Others are saying we had a better shot at the SB last year if we made The Switch last season.

I just want Week 1 to get here already.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

And Trey is working with The Godfather of throwing mechanics in Tom house along with a bunch of throwing coaches at 3DQB. How about you defer to people who do it for a living instead of pretending you know more than you do?

every single QB gets "arm fatigue" through training camp. Our HC who knows a f**k ton more then you and has been around it for decades said this much.

Stafford has over 7,000 in-season passing attempts and probably double that including practice…stop the nonsense.

you love making a mountain out of a mole hill because you have a narrative to push clearly. Pretty f**king sad.

You yourself have ridiculed the argument that "the coaches and management know better" when it was used against you for the Niners continuing to start Jimmy G last year, paying him that contract, etc. So don't give me that same BS now that it fits your "narrative." And bro, take a f**king chill pill. Lol good lord. It's a football forum, we're discussing football. And if its true that these QB coaches are altering the throwing mechanics of all of these young QB's, with the goal of enabling them to more easily make off-platform throws - then isn't it a worthy discussion to ponder if said QBs' arm fatigue and elbow injuries are due to these changes in mechanics?

It's not as if Stafford was hit in his elbow, same with Trey. So what caused it? Again, it's possible that it's just a coincidence, but if possibly has anything to do with side arm throwing mechanics, then it's something to watch out for and discuss.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
For us to be comfortable enough to get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo and not even entertain a QB competition, I'd be shocked if Trey isn't at least decent.

The narratives are all over the place though. Some people saying he's not ready. Others are saying we had a better shot at the SB last year if we made The Switch last season.

I just want Week 1 to get here already.

Based on the "He's ready to be our guy, but he's got to put in the work" comments from the team… what we saw from him last season… the fact that we're most assuredly dealing Jimmy and not trying to keep him as insurance…

My Honest Guess for Trey's First Season as QB1:
- We win some games in spite of him.
- Boom or Bust type offense, where we hit big shot plays, or we go 3 and out.
- Less turnovers than Jimmy, but he's going to make bis fair share of mistakes
- He's not going to be Year 2 Patrick Mahomes, but he's going to show why we traded up so much to draft him.
- Assuming the Rams are strong again, we get the Wild Card spot with Trey at QB.
- Both Trey and the team gets better as the season goes on.
- We'll once again be the team no one wants to deal with.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

And Trey is working with The Godfather of throwing mechanics in Tom house along with a bunch of throwing coaches at 3DQB. How about you defer to people who do it for a living instead of pretending you know more than you do?

every single QB gets "arm fatigue" through training camp. Our HC who knows a f**k ton more then you and has been around it for decades said this much.

Stafford has over 7,000 in-season passing attempts and probably double that including practice…stop the nonsense.

you love making a mountain out of a mole hill because you have a narrative to push clearly. Pretty f**king sad.

NY this is a terrible post.. what's the point of the WZ.. if fans can't discuss ideas..

did you really type out that our HC knows more football than Furlow? welp I guess you can never question a 4th down decision cuz KS knows a bleep ton more than all of us..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

And Trey is working with The Godfather of throwing mechanics in Tom house along with a bunch of throwing coaches at 3DQB. How about you defer to people who do it for a living instead of pretending you know more than you do?

every single QB gets "arm fatigue" through training camp. Our HC who knows a f**k ton more then you and has been around it for decades said this much.

Stafford has over 7,000 in-season passing attempts and probably double that including practice…stop the nonsense.

you love making a mountain out of a mole hill because you have a narrative to push clearly. Pretty f**king sad.

NY this is a terrible post.. what's the point of the WZ.. if fans can't discuss ideas..

did you really type out that our HC knows more football than Furlow? welp I guess you can never question a 4th down decision cuz KS knows a bleep ton more than all of us..

Seriously. He knows more about football then all of us, duh. Doesn't mean that every decision he makes is right. Because the dude picked Jalen Hurd when HUNDREDS of us were screaming for Terry McLaurin or Chase Winovich. Many other examples of bad decisions he's made, and it gives us things to discuss.

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

Honestly I prefer Trey's mechanics when he was at NDSU. Not sure why he completely changed them but what the hell do I know.

Please be good

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

Honestly I prefer Trey's mechanics when he was at NDSU. Not sure why he completely changed them but what the hell do I know.

I agree with you 100%. His mechanics were shorter, cleaner and more consistent at NDSU. And apparently he changed them to fit what these new age QB coaches are teaching which is side arm on every throw, so that off platform throws are more natural. It works for Mahomes so everyone seems to be trying to copy him. My opinion is it's short sighted and ignores Mahomes' God-given talent and ability that not every QB is going to be able to duplicate. It's like trying to have every baseball player swing like Barry Bonds or something.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Seriously. He knows more about football then all of us, duh. Doesn't mean that every decision he makes is right. Because the dude picked Jalen Hurd when HUNDREDS of us were screaming for Terry McLaurin or Chase Winovich. Many other examples of bad decisions he's made, and it gives us things to discuss.

McLauren sure but an average rotational DE isn't something they "missed" on

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Seriously. He knows more about football then all of us, duh. Doesn't mean that every decision he makes is right. Because the dude picked Jalen Hurd when HUNDREDS of us were screaming for Terry McLaurin or Chase Winovich. Many other examples of bad decisions he's made, and it gives us things to discuss.

McLauren sure but an average rotational DE isn't something they "missed" on

I'd take his 5-6 sacks a season over never seeing the field all day.