Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

Honestly I prefer Trey's mechanics when he was at NDSU. Not sure why he completely changed them but what the hell do I know.

I agree with you 100%. His mechanics were shorter, cleaner and more consistent at NDSU. And apparently he changed them to fit what these new age QB coaches are teaching which is side arm on every throw, so that off platform throws are more natural. It works for Mahomes so everyone seems to be trying to copy him. My opinion is it's short sighted and ignores Mahomes' God-given talent and ability that not every QB is going to be able to duplicate. It's like trying to have every baseball player swing like Barry Bonds or something.

agreed, all i can do is hope it pays off. i feel ok about it because kyle and griese dont seem to mind

side note: no wobblers in college

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

Honestly I prefer Trey's mechanics when he was at NDSU. Not sure why he completely changed them but what the hell do I know.

I agree with you 100%. His mechanics were shorter, cleaner and more consistent at NDSU. And apparently he changed them to fit what these new age QB coaches are teaching which is side arm on every throw, so that off platform throws are more natural. It works for Mahomes so everyone seems to be trying to copy him. My opinion is it's short sighted and ignores Mahomes' God-given talent and ability that not every QB is going to be able to duplicate. It's like trying to have every baseball player swing like Barry Bonds or something.

agreed, all i can do is hope it pays off. i feel ok about it because kyle and griese dont seem to mind

side note: no wobblers in college

How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I agree with you 100%. His mechanics were shorter, cleaner and more consistent at NDSU. And apparently he changed them to fit what these new age QB coaches are teaching which is side arm on every throw, so that off platform throws are more natural. It works for Mahomes so everyone seems to be trying to copy him. My opinion is it's short sighted and ignores Mahomes' God-given talent and ability that not every QB is going to be able to duplicate. It's like trying to have every baseball player swing like Barry Bonds or something.

This is true. All these new age qb coaches are teaching the fancy stuff. We'll see in a few years if it pays off.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Please be good

We can go through the previous 39000 posts……but it really comes down to this

I wonder if shorter tighter mechanics like Jimmy G is the reason why is off platform throws are so s**tty sometimes....there's like no oomph behind some of those balls and they float.

Isn't Trey Lance's current mechanics three quarters and not sidearm? Actually when I see his practice clips, he throws all kinds of ways...I can't tell much as a non-trained eye.

Let Try Lance throw like a new age mechanic coached QB! Who cares. I think he has the prototypical physical tools and mental processing to pull it off anyways.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

Honestly I prefer Trey's mechanics when he was at NDSU. Not sure why he completely changed them but what the hell do I know.

I agree with you 100%. His mechanics were shorter, cleaner and more consistent at NDSU. And apparently he changed them to fit what these new age QB coaches are teaching which is side arm on every throw, so that off platform throws are more natural. It works for Mahomes so everyone seems to be trying to copy him. My opinion is it's short sighted and ignores Mahomes' God-given talent and ability that not every QB is going to be able to duplicate. It's like trying to have every baseball player swing like Barry Bonds or something.

agreed, all i can do is hope it pays off. i feel ok about it because kyle and griese dont seem to mind

side note: no wobblers in college

How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

If conditions are ideal, wobblers don't matter much. But if there is rain, wind, or snow then wobblers turn into ducks. Tighter balls are also easier to catch so there's that. If it didn't matter, then we'd see a lot more QB's throwing wobblers, I'd imagine.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

Honestly I prefer Trey's mechanics when he was at NDSU. Not sure why he completely changed them but what the hell do I know.

I agree with you 100%. His mechanics were shorter, cleaner and more consistent at NDSU. And apparently he changed them to fit what these new age QB coaches are teaching which is side arm on every throw, so that off platform throws are more natural. It works for Mahomes so everyone seems to be trying to copy him. My opinion is it's short sighted and ignores Mahomes' God-given talent and ability that not every QB is going to be able to duplicate. It's like trying to have every baseball player swing like Barry Bonds or something.

agreed, all i can do is hope it pays off. i feel ok about it because kyle and griese dont seem to mind

side note: no wobblers in college

Exactly.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

its an added benefit

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

Honestly I prefer Trey's mechanics when he was at NDSU. Not sure why he completely changed them but what the hell do I know.

I agree with you 100%. His mechanics were shorter, cleaner and more consistent at NDSU. And apparently he changed them to fit what these new age QB coaches are teaching which is side arm on every throw, so that off platform throws are more natural. It works for Mahomes so everyone seems to be trying to copy him. My opinion is it's short sighted and ignores Mahomes' God-given talent and ability that not every QB is going to be able to duplicate. It's like trying to have every baseball player swing like Barry Bonds or something.

agreed, all i can do is hope it pays off. i feel ok about it because kyle and griese dont seem to mind

side note: no wobblers in college

How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

If conditions are ideal, wobblers don't matter much. But if there is rain, wind, or snow then wobblers turn into ducks. Tighter balls are also easier to catch so there's that. If it didn't matter, then we'd see a lot more QB's throwing wobblers, I'd imagine.

Is that so? I would imagine that arm strength would be a bigger factor in windy conditions and grip when it comes to rain.

Originally posted by Viperboy:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Please be good

We can go through the previous 39000 posts……but it really comes down to this

He'll be a superstar.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

its an added benefit

Okay. But how much of a difference does it make between winning and losing? How much does it play a factor in Trey becoming an elit QB?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

its an added benefit

Okay. But how much of a difference does it make between winning and losing? How much does it play a factor in Trey becoming an elit QB?

we'll see how is accuracy pans out

I can't find the interview, but didn't Deebo or Aiyuk say Lance's balls this year are more catchable and not as heavy?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

its an added benefit

Okay. But how much of a difference does it make between winning and losing? How much does it play a factor in Trey becoming an elit QB?

we'll see how is accuracy pans out

I am the biggest doubters of Trey's accuracy. That said, I don't think spirals or wobbles has much effect on his accuracy issues.

At least in my opinion

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

its an added benefit

Okay. But how much of a difference does it make between winning and losing? How much does it play a factor in Trey becoming an elit QB?

Personally I think it's about standards of excellence. A QB should want to be excellent in all areas of QB'ing. Joe and Steve hardly threw ducks, for example.

PS. I thought Trey's mechanics have tightened up since NDSU, personally. But I'm just an armchair QB.