Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

its an added benefit

Okay. But how much of a difference does it make between winning and losing? How much does it play a factor in Trey becoming an elit QB?

Personally I think it's about standards of excellence. A QB should want to be excellent in all areas of QB'ing. Joe and Steve hardly threw ducks, for example.

PS. I thought Trey's mechanics have tightened up since NDSU, personally. But I'm just an armchair QB.

For those who keep bringing up his wobbly passes, I just want them to give me some quantifiable reason to explain why they are so hung up on it and why it is so important.

How many times do I have to answer this, dude? In good conditions, it doesn't matter much. Although a tighter spiral is easier to catch. But in rainy, windy, or snowy conditions - a wobbler becomes a duck. And in tight windows, it gives the defender that much more area to tip the pass and break up the play.

it's not a MAJOR issue by any stretch. But since he changes his mechanics from college (where he did not throw wobblers) it's somewhat concerning. It's something to discuss.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The guy in the video is a QB coach and owns Performance Labs which uses motion capture to help athletes with their running and throwing mechanics. Not saying it's the "be all, end all" but there might just be something to it. Overall my point was that these side arm mechanics put additional pressure on the elbow joint, rather than the shoulder which is much stronger. So it's not surprising that Trey had arm fatigue, and now it's looking like Stafford may need surgery. But maybe it's all just a coincidence...

Honestly I prefer Trey's mechanics when he was at NDSU. Not sure why he completely changed them but what the hell do I know.

I agree with you 100%. His mechanics were shorter, cleaner and more consistent at NDSU. And apparently he changed them to fit what these new age QB coaches are teaching which is side arm on every throw, so that off platform throws are more natural. It works for Mahomes so everyone seems to be trying to copy him. My opinion is it's short sighted and ignores Mahomes' God-given talent and ability that not every QB is going to be able to duplicate. It's like trying to have every baseball player swing like Barry Bonds or something.

agreed, all i can do is hope it pays off. i feel ok about it because kyle and griese dont seem to mind

side note: no wobblers in college

How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

If conditions are ideal, wobblers don't matter much. But if there is rain, wind, or snow then wobblers turn into ducks. Tighter balls are also easier to catch so there's that. If it didn't matter, then we'd see a lot more QB's throwing wobblers, I'd imagine.

Is that so? I would imagine that arm strength would be a bigger factor in windy conditions and grip when it comes to rain.

If a ball is spiraling, the tip of the ball cuts through the air/wind. The more it wobbles, the more chance it has for the wobble to get worse and turn into a duck (see many examples of Jimmy G throws lol).

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Lance and Aiyuk coughing up another hammer pic.twitter.com/i8nmk80lON

— Rich (@richjmadrid) August 6, 2022

Doesn't count... Wobble

Currently checking out NFL games like heavy rainy games at Chicago Soldier field, and wobbly passes did not seem to suddenly get worse and turn into ducks due to rain and wind conditions. Especially looking at short / intermediate throws within 35 yards. They stayed consistently wobbly from start of the throw to end of the throw. I really think some wobble is fine even in the worst of conditions. I'll keep looking I just don't see any of it being true yet. The good passes with slight wobble all made it to the receiver with accuracy. That slight wobble didnt morph into a severe wobble and duck pass.

These wobble conversations are funny. It's like…

WR is 5'11 1/3 - nah, he's too short
WR is 6'0 - nice, he has good height

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Doesn't count... Wobble

Who was the offensive line blocking for him?;

Originally posted by picklejuice:
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I don't trust these shows BUT
Even a stupid show sports science mention a little wobble occurs to keep the ball on target.
Its mentioned around the 7 minute mark. Is it true? IDK. lol

Wobble is GOOD!

That video also mentions that more than little wobble can make the ball be 5 ft off target when passed for 30 yds.

3 small wobbles per 5 spins is good. Too much wobble can be bad for deep passes is not good according to that video.

"It's not a major issue"

Yes takes every chance he gets anytime a Trey clip is posted to whine about wobble no matter how minute it is, on completed passes no less 🙄

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
?t=409
I don't trust these shows BUT
Even a stupid show sports science mention a little wobble occurs to keep the ball on target.
Its mentioned around the 7 minute mark. Is it true? IDK. lol

Wobble is GOOD!

That video also mentions that more than little wobble can make the ball be 5 ft off target when passed for 30 yds.

3 small wobbles per 5 spins is good. Too much wobble can be bad for deep passes is not good according to that video.

Great video. Science is cool.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
"It's not a major issue"

Yes takes every chance he gets anytime a Trey clip is posted to whine about wobble no matter how minute it is, on completed passes no less 🙄

See post 39421 and about 10 others where I explained the same thing. Plus, science. At least now we know a little wobble is good.

So now that we all agree a little wobble is good. Trey throws with a light wobble that is good.

I know all reps are important, but it's hard to overstate how MASSIVE the coming stretch is after the Monday off-day through the GB opener then the scrimmages and game with the Vikings. It's the first opportunity for the football world (and more importantly us) to get a legit GPS fix on where Trey's at in his development. Excited and nervous!

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do tight spirals correlate to winning or losing? That is all I ultimately care about.

its an added benefit

Okay. But how much of a difference does it make between winning and losing? How much does it play a factor in Trey becoming an elit QB?

Personally I think it's about standards of excellence. A QB should want to be excellent in all areas of QB'ing. Joe and Steve hardly threw ducks, for example.

PS. I thought Trey's mechanics have tightened up since NDSU, personally. But I'm just an armchair QB.

For those who keep bringing up his wobbly passes, I just want them to give me some quantifiable reason to explain why they are so hung up on it and why it is so important.

How many times do I have to answer this, dude? In good conditions, it doesn't matter much. Although a tighter spiral is easier to catch. But in rainy, windy, or snowy conditions - a wobbler becomes a duck. And in tight windows, it gives the defender that much more area to tip the pass and break up the play.

it's not a MAJOR issue by any stretch. But since he changes his mechanics from college (where he did not throw wobblers) it's somewhat concerning. It's something to discuss.

How many times do I have to keep asking this question, dude? How much of a difference does it make between winning and losing? You keep bringing up a hypothetical scenario with no example to prove your point. Is this another one of those, "I should trust it just because you said it conversations" again?

Originally posted by picklejuice:
?t=409
I don't trust these shows BUT
Even a stupid show sports science mention a little wobble occurs to keep the ball on target.
Its mentioned around the 7 minute mark. Is it true? IDK. lol

Wobble is GOOD!

good stuff