Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
How many times do I have to answer this, dude? In good conditions, it doesn't matter much. Although a tighter spiral is easier to catch.

Per the video,....Is a tighter spiral easier to catch than a more accurate pass? This is the ONLY question you need to be answering.

As science has been teaching,...tighter spirals down the field can actually be less accurate.

Of course the pass has to be accurate. Accuracy being equal, a tighter spiral is going to be easier to catch, yes. And yes I saw that a slight wobble = greater accuracy. So let's hope Trey turns these big wobblers into smaller wobblers. Even the ones they were showing of Brees it was almost impossible to tell until they put it in slow motion.

"easier to catch"

What the facts are showing though, is that someone can over-focus on spiraling the ball down the field,...but the physics of it causes them to drift [the ball] more to the left or the right.

I mean we are seeing things through the lens of a QB,...let's not switch the convo up. I'm sure WRs have a harder time judging passes that slightly drift one way or the other. I didn't know until today after researching it,...but science says you've overplayed this subject way, way too much.

That's not at all what the video said. It said a slight wobble allows for the highest accuracy. But anything more than that can throw off the accuracy by 3-5 yards.

I'm watching Patrick Mahomes throws with playback video speed at 0.25 or 0.5 and I already see a ton of highlight plays with throws with a lot of wobble. There's also less wobbles and some with a lot more. There is like a whole range of wobbles. I'm looking at one play right now, a great deep ball to Tyreek Hill leaving 3 falcons DB in the dust, and that ball from Mahomes had so much wobble but it was accurate and where it had to be. This particular crazy wobble ball didn't result in some crazy 5 yard veer away from intended target duck pass -- considering that ball had so much wobble. It looks accurate, wobbley and I don't think a lot of QBs have the arm to even throw it up in the air like Mahomes did. So...I really don't think it's an issue. I just don't see it based on watching things as a fan.

Trey on if there will be some conversation with his locker mate Jimmie Ward after that pick 6.

"I am sure he will let me hear about, But He's going to have to hear from me again tomorrow, So he's not going to say much about it."

Trey showing that swag.

Originally posted by Furlow:
That's not at all what the video said. It said a slight wobble allows for the highest accuracy. But anything more than that can throw off the accuracy by 3-5 yards.

Do you understand what you are saying? It's beyond just the video,...but if "some" wobble allows for the highest accuracy,...then a perfectly-spiraled bomb does not. The reasons are out there and given if you're really into eigenvalues and all of that stuff.

A side force dependent on the spin rate is also present at non-zero wind angles, but is not accompanied by a corresponding torque...

The paper [5] provides a description of the physical mechanism resulting in stable flight, the tendency of a spinning projectile to align with the velocity vector and the cause of the necessary torque, and the resulting tendency of a right-handed spin to cause a drift to the right.
https://aapt.scitation.org/doi/10.1119/1.1479741

Our analysis shows that even for a perfectly-thrown tight spiral pass, the ball's axis just before it is caught will have a small yaw to the right (as seen by our right-handed quarterback), and a small positive or negative pitch as well. The yaw and pitch angles, however, remain small even for a "long bomb" as we have shown, and the fan in the stands, or the television watcher viewing an instant replay, may be excused for being impressed by the illusion of a perfectly aligned ball.

https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1716597

No worries to this now-stale topic of criticism, Furlow. They say you are excused. ;-)

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
How many times do I have to answer this, dude? In good conditions, it doesn't matter much. Although a tighter spiral is easier to catch.

Per the video,....Is a tighter spiral easier to catch than a more accurate pass? This is the ONLY question you need to be answering.

As science has been teaching,...tighter spirals down the field can actually be less accurate.

Of course the pass has to be accurate. Accuracy being equal, a tighter spiral is going to be easier to catch, yes. And yes I saw that a slight wobble = greater accuracy. So let's hope Trey turns these big wobblers into smaller wobblers. Even the ones they were showing of Brees it was almost impossible to tell until they put it in slow motion.

"easier to catch"

What the facts are showing though, is that someone can over-focus on spiraling the ball down the field,...but the physics of it causes them to drift [the ball] more to the left or the right.

I mean we are seeing things through the lens of a QB,...let's not switch the convo up. I'm sure WRs have a harder time judging passes that slightly drift one way or the other. I didn't know until today after researching it,...but science says you've overplayed this subject way, way too much.

That's not at all what the video said. It said a slight wobble allows for the highest accuracy. But anything more than that can throw off the accuracy by 3-5 yards.

Originally posted by picklejuice:
So now that we all agree a little wobble is good. Trey throws with a light wobble that is good.

Thats the thing. It isnt a slight wobble. It's a huge one

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
So now that we all agree a little wobble is good. Trey throws with a light wobble that is good.

Thats the thing. It isnt a slight wobble. It's a huge one

Lol as somebody already pointed out this is as bad as the ball that hit Deebo in the hands argument. If the ball hits you in both hands, wobbling or a bit high it needs to be caught. No excuses. Very few passes are perfect.

yall still talkin bout wobble? lmao

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
yall still talkin bout wobble? lmao

So much this. All guys have balls and they all wobble. Just as nature intended.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
So much this. All guys have balls and they all wobble. Just as nature intended.

All aside from Varys and Greyworm

Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.

Sure, but can you throw them accurately?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
That's not at all what the video said. It said a slight wobble allows for the highest accuracy. But anything more than that can throw off the accuracy by 3-5 yards.

Do you understand what you are saying? It's beyond just the video,...but if "some" wobble allows for the highest accuracy,...then a perfectly-spiraled bomb does not. The reasons are out there and given if you're really into eigenvalues and all of that stuff.

A side force dependent on the spin rate is also present at non-zero wind angles, but is not accompanied by a corresponding torque...

The paper [5] provides a description of the physical mechanism resulting in stable flight, the tendency of a spinning projectile to align with the velocity vector and the cause of the necessary torque, and the resulting tendency of a right-handed spin to cause a drift to the right.
https://aapt.scitation.org/doi/10.1119/1.1479741

Our analysis shows that even for a perfectly-thrown tight spiral pass, the ball's axis just before it is caught will have a small yaw to the right (as seen by our right-handed quarterback), and a small positive or negative pitch as well. The yaw and pitch angles, however, remain small even for a "long bomb" as we have shown, and the fan in the stands, or the television watcher viewing an instant replay, may be excused for being impressed by the illusion of a perfectly aligned ball.

https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1716597

No worries to this now-stale topic of criticism, Furlow. They say you are excused. ;-)

Replacing "slight" with "some" is disingenuous at best. And we're not discussing yaw, of course a right handed throw's axis will yaw slightly to the right. The discussion is about wobble on the tip of the ball. Again, slight is good. Many of Trey's passes have more than slight wobble. Hopefully he cleans it up, or we avoid games in windy conditions.