Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Josh Allen says hi.

Literally the only guy in the history of football that you can point to. I'll grant you him but he's literally the only one IMO.

I'm not talking raising completion % either.

It's funny how people try to use an outlier to fit a narrative.

It's funny how you don't understand what a narrative is. In this case, the narrative was that a QUARTERBACK can never improve accuracy.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Josh Allen says hi.

Literally the only guy in the history of football that you can point to. I'll grant you him but he's literally the only one IMO.

I'm not talking raising completion % either.

It's funny how people try to use an outlier to fit a narrative.

It's funny how you don't understand what a narrative is. In this case, the narrative was that a QUARTERBACK can never improve accuracy.

So you're saying that a QB can actually improve accuracy based on a 1-player sample. Got it.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Josh Allen says hi.

Literally the only guy in the history of football that you can point to. I'll grant you him but he's literally the only one IMO.

I'm not talking raising completion % either.

It's funny how people try to use an outlier to fit a narrative.

It's funny how you don't understand what a narrative is. In this case, the narrative was that a QUARTERBACK can never improve accuracy.

So you're saying that a QB can actually improve accuracy based on a 1-player sample. Got it.

If you make the claim that something can't be done, then it's relevant if it's been done.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Josh Allen says hi.

Literally the only guy in the history of football that you can point to. I'll grant you him but he's literally the only one IMO.

I'm not talking raising completion % either.

It's funny how people try to use an outlier to fit a narrative.

It's funny how you don't understand what a narrative is. In this case, the narrative was that a QUARTERBACK can never improve accuracy.

So you're saying that a QB can actually improve accuracy based on a 1-player sample. Got it.

There are plenty of others. Under his conditions however, that completion percentage cannot be used, AND it's just his opinion, nobody can.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
There are plenty of others. Under his conditions however, that completion percentage cannot be used, AND it's just his opinion, nobody can.

Trey had a good completion % in college. It didn't/doesn't make him accurate. So looking for guys who improved their completion % doesn't necessarily mean the guy is more accurate throwing the football.

Only using completion % during camp because we can't watch the practices like games to use eyeball test. And 50% in practice is TURRIBLE

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
There are plenty of others. Under his conditions however, that completion percentage cannot be used, AND it's just his opinion, nobody can.

Trey had a good completion % in college. It didn't/doesn't make him accurate. So looking for guys who improved their completion % doesn't necessarily mean the guy is more accurate throwing the football.

Only using completion % during camp because we can't watch the practices like games to use eyeball test. And 50% in practice is TURRIBLE

And have you been able to apply that same eyeball test to every quarterback who has ever played in the league?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
There are plenty of others. Under his conditions however, that completion percentage cannot be used, AND it's just his opinion, nobody can.

Trey had a good completion % in college. It didn't/doesn't make him accurate. So looking for guys who improved their completion % doesn't necessarily mean the guy is more accurate throwing the football.

Only using completion % during camp because we can't watch the practices like games to use eyeball test. And 50% in practice is TURRIBLE

So you can't use completion % to determine if someone is accurate, but then you're using completion % (in practice no less) to determine that Trey is inaccurate. What TC completion rate would Trey need to prove to you definitively that he was accurate since you're using that number, and that number alone, to say he is inaccurate? Or is this a thing where you can only have your assertion proven correct and there's no way for it to be disproven?

Trey did have a 20-32 stretch in the previous 2 days prior to this one on Sunday.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
There are plenty of others. Under his conditions however, that completion percentage cannot be used, AND it's just his opinion, nobody can.

Trey had a good completion % in college. It didn't/doesn't make him accurate. So looking for guys who improved their completion % doesn't necessarily mean the guy is more accurate throwing the football.

Only using completion % during camp because we can't watch the practices like games to use eyeball test. And 50% in practice is TURRIBLE

So you can't use completion % to determine if someone is accurate, but then you're using completion % (in practice no less) to determine that Trey is inaccurate. What TC completion rate would Trey need to prove to you definitively that he was accurate since you're using that number, and that number alone, to say he is inaccurate? Or is this a thing where you can only have your assertion proven correct and there's no way for it to be disproven?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
So you can't use completion % to determine if someone is accurate, but then you're using completion % (in practice no less) to determine that Trey is inaccurate. What TC completion rate would Trey need to prove to you definitively that he was accurate since you're using that number, and that number alone, to say he is inaccurate? Or is this a thing where you can only have your assertion proven correct and there's no way for it to be disproven?

I believe I explained why I am using completion % here.

And it's going to take me actually watching Trey (hence the eye ball test) for him to disprove my notion he won't improve his accuracy

Can't wait till Trey goes in a joint practice next week

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Josh Allen says hi.

Literally the only guy in the history of football that you can point to. I'll grant you him but he's literally the only one IMO.

I'm not talking raising completion % either.

I'm sure as hell not going to research it, but it's impossible to believe Josh Allen is the only one.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Josh Allen says hi.

Literally the only guy in the history of football that you can point to. I'll grant you him but he's literally the only one IMO.

I'm not talking raising completion % either.

I'm sure as hell not going to research it, but it's impossible to believe Josh Allen is the only one.

It'd be really difficult to prove since he won't accept improvements in completion percentage as proof. You'd have to go and watch every QB from the moment they threw their first football to their last snap as a pro to evaluate the assertion that it is impossible for a QB to improve their accuracy even a little bit from the moment they come out of the womb.

The camp reports sound underwhelming on Lance. Soon we will have the chance to see with our own eyes, which is always better than reading too much into training camp reports and stats. But the mere fact that we are continually fed reports that he shows great maturity, has natural leadership, etc., is starting to strike me as fluff and filler because no one can say, man, he's really carving it up out there. The good news is, it sounds like this defense might be the strongest of the Shanahan teams, maybe the best in the league. If that's the case, we won't need Lance to be a world beater to win a lot of games, just like we didn't need Jimmy to be a world beater. If he can simply avoid sacks better than Jimmy, pick up 3-4 first downs a game with his legs, and pass decent, I like our chances.

Doesn't matter how awful practice (and preseason) is. Reps reps reps. Give him as many as you can between now and Week 1.