Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Just a little more food for thought… exchange between Saints and Vikings beat reporters.

So much this. So many mitigating factors that most everyone watching wouldn't know. Coaches set up intentional mismatches. Players work on new techniques that aren't ready for prime time. Doesn't take away the outcome of a rep, but it does change its meaning. https://t.co/BExBSiCAbf

— Kevin Seifert (@SeifertESPN) August 8, 2022

Im a 100% supporter of trey but the issues aren't just "hey, he threw a pick". It's that he has a guy open, he's throwing it, and it's inaccurate. I haven't seen any of the practices, this is just some of the feedback from people who are there

I don't think we can compare how a HOF QB treats training camp and practice compared to a young raw QB who is just trying to run the play as designed because that's his first stepping stone.

Now Kyle calling plays to test certain things is another story.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Trey Lance has the arm, the intelligence and the work ethic needed to succeed in the NFL. Kyle Shanahan has gotten the most out of every QB who has played under him. I see absolutely no reason to be worried.

Brian Hoyer?

I didn't say Shanny was a sorcerer. You can't expect him to make chocolate out of dog s**t. Just saying.

Brian Hoyer the guy who has the best training camp in SF history lol

I still remember that bomb he threw in the first preseason game for a TD. I think against the Vikings. I got so excited thinking we actually had something haha

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Just a little more food for thought… exchange between Saints and Vikings beat reporters.

So much this. So many mitigating factors that most everyone watching wouldn't know. Coaches set up intentional mismatches. Players work on new techniques that aren't ready for prime time. Doesn't take away the outcome of a rep, but it does change its meaning. https://t.co/BExBSiCAbf

— Kevin Seifert (@SeifertESPN) August 8, 2022

Im a 100% supporter of trey but the issues aren't just "hey, he threw a pick". It's that he has a guy open, he's throwing it, and it's inaccurate. I haven't seen any of the practices, this is just some of the feedback from people who are there

I don't think we can compare how a HOF QB treats training camp and practice compared to a young raw QB who is just trying to run the play as designed because that's his first stepping stone.

Now Kyle calling plays to test certain things is another story.

For sure. Trey shouldn't be (and I'm sure he isn't) riffing to try out new techniques and whatnot. He's ten years away from that kind of leeway. But Shanny putting him in difficult positions is to be expected.

Doesn't take away from the inaccuracy issues. It was a copium post after yesterdays practice reports.

Originally posted by Brucey72:
I still remember that bomb he threw in the first preseason game for a TD. I think against the Vikings. I got so excited thinking we actually had something haha

I remember every beat writer saying he had the best TC off season that they ever saw in SF lol.

Great objective read from a guy that understands football, what they do in practice, and who's been watching all the practice reps.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Great objective read from a guy that understands football, what they do in practice, and who's been watching all the practice reps.

I wrote about what I saw from Trey Lance during yesterday's practice, and included my notes for each of his 12 passing attempts that I charted

Consistency is the biggest thing to improve on, but it's clear that Lance is trending in the right directionhttps://t.co/Wib6Ncna0Y

— Jordan Elliott (@JLeeElliott) August 8, 2022

Good context that goes beyond lame training camp boxcores. If he goes 10-12 with a bunch of dumpoffs, that's not impressive imo.
I'm most interested in the quickness and correctness of his decision making. Accuracy will forever be a work in progress, as it should be for any QB serious about his craft. For a youngster learning the speed of the NFL, show me good decision making, and understanding of what the defense is doing. It's a positive he is missing with his throws in the correct way - where if the WR doesn't get it, no one gets it.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I can't believe Brees carved out a hall of fame career after that shoulder injury in SD. That was pretty gruesome looking at the time.

If Trey can throw like Drew - the 🏆'th Lombardi is in the bag. 💥💪🏈

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Great objective read from a guy that understands football, what they do in practice, and who's been watching all the practice reps.

I wrote about what I saw from Trey Lance during yesterday's practice, and included my notes for each of his 12 passing attempts that I charted

Consistency is the biggest thing to improve on, but it's clear that Lance is trending in the right directionhttps://t.co/Wib6Ncna0Y

— Jordan Elliott (@JLeeElliott) August 8, 2022

Good context that goes beyond lame training camp boxcores. If he goes 10-12 with a bunch of dumpoffs, that's not impressive imo.
I'm most interested in the quickness and correctness of his decision making. Accuracy will forever be a work in progress, as it should be for any QB serious about his craft. For a youngster learning the speed of the NFL, show me good decision making, and understanding of what the defense is doing. It's a positive he is missing with his throws in the correct way - where if the WR doesn't get it, no one gets it.

Yup you're correct.

I have high hopes for Trey but we need to keep things in perspective. He is by far the least experienced QB that we have ever started. He had one season in college and 2 games last season.

Compare that to JG who started 45 games in college and had over 1600 pass attempts. Then he had 3 years in NE with a few starts there. To expect Trey to be really good in his first year as a starter is really setting the bar high. I think we'll see a lot of mistakes and poor reads mixed in with some eye popping plays that are going to show why they drafted him. Let's hope he learns as the season progresses and cuts down on the mistakes. I'm not concerned about his ability but every young QB needs to adjust and learn to play in the NFL.

I sat on the 25 yard line for years and had a great view from the side. One season I sat in the end zone and it was organized chaos. I had trouble following the game as players ran across the field and cut through zones. It looks a lot different when you are down low where the speed is really magnified. Young QBs and players in general all say that the biggest thing they have to adjust to in the NFL is the speed.

Originally posted by cciowa:
nate davis had the best body of work in pre season games in sf history

I still remember that crazy 70 yard pass in the air in pre-season and we all went wild.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I have high hopes for Trey but we need to keep things in perspective. He is by far the least experienced QB that we have ever started. He had one season in college and 2 games last season.

Compare that to JG who started 45 games in college and had over 1600 pass attempts. Then he had 3 years in NE with a few starts there. To expect Trey to be really good in his first year as a starter is really setting the bar high. I think we'll see a lot of mistakes and poor reads mixed in with some eye popping plays that are going to show why they drafted him. Let's hope he learns as the season progresses and cuts down on the mistakes. I'm not concerned about his ability but every young QB needs to adjust and learn to play in the NFL.

I sat on the 25 yard line for years and had a great view from the side. One season I sat in the end zone and it was organized chaos. I had trouble following the game as players ran across the field and cut through zones. It looks a lot different when you are down low where the speed is really magnified. Young QBs and players in general all say that the biggest thing they have to adjust to in the NFL is the speed.

Yes. Even I know where to go with the ball based on the route concept versus the coverage - from the all22, in my comfortable office chair, scrubbing the video back and forth, without four DLmen trying to take my head off. Try it behind the OL, in 2.5 seconds, with grown men trying to physically harm you, not as easy. So Lance can have the best whiteboard session ever, but he needs live reps with real DLmen trying to harm him to really get that internal clock up to speed.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I have high hopes for Trey but we need to keep things in perspective. He is by far the least experienced QB that we have ever started. He had one season in college and 2 games last season.

Compare that to JG who started 45 games in college and had over 1600 pass attempts. Then he had 3 years in NE with a few starts there. To expect Trey to be really good in his first year as a starter is really setting the bar high. I think we'll see a lot of mistakes and poor reads mixed in with some eye popping plays that are going to show why they drafted him. Let's hope he learns as the season progresses and cuts down on the mistakes. I'm not concerned about his ability but every young QB needs to adjust and learn to play in the NFL.

I sat on the 25 yard line for years and had a great view from the side. One season I sat in the end zone and it was organized chaos. I had trouble following the game as players ran across the field and cut through zones. It looks a lot different when you are down low where the speed is really magnified. Young QBs and players in general all say that the biggest thing they have to adjust to in the NFL is the speed.

Yes. Even I know where to go with the ball based on the route concept versus the coverage - from the all22, in my comfortable office chair, scrubbing the video back and forth, without four DLmen trying to take my head off. Try it behind the OL, in 2.5 seconds, with grown men trying to physically harm you, not as easy. So Lance can have the best whiteboard session ever, but he needs live reps with real DLmen trying to harm him to really get that internal clock up to speed.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I have high hopes for Trey but we need to keep things in perspective. He is by far the least experienced QB that we have ever started. He had one season in college and 2 games last season.

Compare that to JG who started 45 games in college and had over 1600 pass attempts. Then he had 3 years in NE with a few starts there. To expect Trey to be really good in his first year as a starter is really setting the bar high. I think we'll see a lot of mistakes and poor reads mixed in with some eye popping plays that are going to show why they drafted him. Let's hope he learns as the season progresses and cuts down on the mistakes. I'm not concerned about his ability but every young QB needs to adjust and learn to play in the NFL.

I sat on the 25 yard line for years and had a great view from the side. One season I sat in the end zone and it was organized chaos. I had trouble following the game as players ran across the field and cut through zones. It looks a lot different when you are down low where the speed is really magnified. Young QBs and players in general all say that the biggest thing they have to adjust to in the NFL is the speed.

Yes. Even I know where to go with the ball based on the route concept versus the coverage - from the all22, in my comfortable office chair, scrubbing the video back and forth, without four DLmen trying to take my head off. Try it behind the OL, in 2.5 seconds, with grown men trying to physically harm you, not as easy. So Lance can have the best whiteboard session ever, but he needs live reps with real DLmen trying to harm him to really get that internal clock up to speed.

I know all of us has yelled at the screen when the QB misses a wide open target or throws it to a defender. It's only natural but as you point out, we don't have anyone chasing us while we're eating pizza or popcorn. When you see those field level films from behind the line you get a feel for what the QB sees. If you ever played QB even in high school you have even more appreciation for what they do.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Young QBs and players in general all say that the biggest thing they have to adjust to in the NFL is the speed.

my biggest argument for wanting him to start last year. But people were too afraid that he'd be ruined like Alex Smith or whatever. Oh well. I've turned the page.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Young QBs and players in general all say that the biggest thing they have to adjust to in the NFL is the speed.

my biggest argument for wanting him to start last year. But people were too afraid that he'd be ruined like Alex Smith or whatever. Oh well. I've turned the page.

He should have started last year. Maybe he would have if he hadn't had the finger and knee injuries.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
my biggest argument for wanting him to start last year. But people were too afraid that he'd be ruined like Alex Smith or whatever. Oh well. I've turned the page.

same