Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
We were a dropped interceptions from being in the superbowl and it was the wrong decision to sit Trey.

Were they going to just end the game with 9 minutes left? A lot of blame for the loss gets put on Tartt for that drop, but the offense still did nothing down the stretch in that game. 6 points on offense in the divisional round, 17 points in the NFC Championship game. The offense really let us down in the playoffs.

This really irritates me. The defense let us down in the nfc championship game. It is so easy to forget how that defense got manhandled in the 1st half. That 10 minute td drive was demoralizing. The failure to stop the rams in The 4th quarter in each and every possession. The way kupp annihilated Williams.

Even after that, somehow, the niners were still up after Jimmy finds kittle in the end zone. What does the defense do? Immediately Give up 2 stupid penalties and let the rams drive down the field.

So while the offense didn't do its part in the playoffs for sure, that defense took a massive dump in the nfc championship game. The total points scored by the Rams means nothing.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
We were a dropped interceptions from being in the superbowl and it was the wrong decision to sit Trey.

I thought we were a Deebo wide open down the left sideline for a TD away from being in the SB.

didn't we get the ball back twice after that drop

It wasn't a drop. It was a completely missed opportunity. There were a handful of missed opportunities by the offense that cost us the game. Defense played pretty well considering we held the rams offense to their lowest point total in the playoffs. Yes. Tartt missed that opportunity but the offense missed the opportunity to put them away well before it came down to those last 2 drives.

KS with a 10 point lead.. what could possibly go wrong..

KS can only scheme the guys open. He cannot make the correct read and make an accurate pass.

He can take penalties on himself and punt in plus territory tho...

Well at least now we aren't blaming the loss solely on one dropped int.

My bad rehashing old stuff here.. just terrible having the 10 point lead twice and folding in such big games.. hope with TL we can be more aggressive. 4th and short keep the O on the field and give him a run / pass option. We took him 3 overall let's roll dice with him vs our punter.

I hope Trey becomes so good it never has to come down to that. We have the weapons. We have the defense. The only question now is did Shanahan make the right pick at QB?

It's up to Lance and his drive to be great.

no better place to be for a young QB than to be here is a great start

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
I think Shanahan will play it conservative with Lance till he settles in. The D should be top 5 so the success will be with the O-Line early on. By mid-season we will have a good idea on the quality we have at QB.

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Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
I think Shanahan will play it conservative with Lance till he settles in. The D should be top 5 so the success will be with the O-Line early on. By mid-season we will have a good idea on the quality we have at QB.

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Yep, that's not unlikely. It wouldn't surprise me if every week we see a similar game-plan to pats/bills from last year where Jones only attempted 3 passes.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This really irritates me. The defense let us down in the nfc championship game. It is so easy to forget how that defense got manhandled in the 1st half. That 10 minute td drive was demoralizing. The failure to stop the rams in The 4th quarter in each and every possession. The way kupp annihilated Williams.

Even after that, somehow, the niners were still up after Jimmy finds kittle in the end zone. What does the defense do? Immediately Give up 2 stupid penalties and let the rams drive down the field.

So while the offense didn't do its part in the playoffs for sure, that defense took a massive dump in the nfc championship game. The total points scored by the Rams means nothing.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This really irritates me. The defense let us down in the nfc championship game. It is so easy to forget how that defense got manhandled in the 1st half. That 10 minute td drive was demoralizing. The failure to stop the rams in The 4th quarter in each and every possession. The way kupp annihilated Williams.

Even after that, somehow, the niners were still up after Jimmy finds kittle in the end zone. What does the defense do? Immediately Give up 2 stupid penalties and let the rams drive down the field.

So while the offense didn't do its part in the playoffs for sure, that defense took a massive dump in the nfc championship game. The total points scored by the Rams means nothing.

4 touchdowns the entire playoffs, one of which was a one play drive after a turnover, is a bit more than not doing it's part.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Tear it up, Trey.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I have high hopes for Trey but we need to keep things in perspective. He is by far the least experienced QB that we have ever started. He had one season in college and 2 games last season.

Compare that to JG who started 45 games in college and had over 1600 pass attempts. Then he had 3 years in NE with a few starts there. To expect Trey to be really good in his first year as a starter is really setting the bar high. I think we'll see a lot of mistakes and poor reads mixed in with some eye popping plays that are going to show why they drafted him. Let's hope he learns as the season progresses and cuts down on the mistakes. I'm not concerned about his ability but every young QB needs to adjust and learn to play in the NFL.

I sat on the 25 yard line for years and had a great view from the side. One season I sat in the end zone and it was organized chaos. I had trouble following the game as players ran across the field and cut through zones. It looks a lot different when you are down low where the speed is really magnified. Young QBs and players in general all say that the biggest thing they have to adjust to in the NFL is the speed.

Yes. Even I know where to go with the ball based on the route concept versus the coverage - from the all22, in my comfortable office chair, scrubbing the video back and forth, without four DLmen trying to take my head off. Try it behind the OL, in 2.5 seconds, with grown men trying to physically harm you, not as easy. So Lance can have the best whiteboard session ever, but he needs live reps with real DLmen trying to harm him to really get that internal clock up to speed.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
We were a dropped interceptions from being in the superbowl and it was the wrong decision to sit Trey.

Were they going to just end the game with 9 minutes left? A lot of blame for the loss gets put on Tartt for that drop, but the offense still did nothing down the stretch in that game. 6 points on offense in the divisional round, 17 points in the NFC Championship game. The offense really let us down in the playoffs.

This really irritates me. The defense let us down in the nfc championship game. It is so easy to forget how that defense got manhandled in the 1st half. That 10 minute td drive was demoralizing. The failure to stop the rams in The 4th quarter in each and every possession. The way kupp annihilated Williams.

Even after that, somehow, the niners were still up after Jimmy finds kittle in the end zone. What does the defense do? Immediately Give up 2 stupid penalties and let the rams drive down the field.

So while the offense didn't do its part in the playoffs for sure, that defense took a massive dump in the nfc championship game. The total points scored by the Rams means nothing.

In the end, the defense only gave up 20 points. That should be enough to win. We had the ball on offense down only 3 with the opportunity to drive down and win the game.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
We were a dropped interceptions from being in the superbowl and it was the wrong decision to sit Trey.

Were they going to just end the game with 9 minutes left? A lot of blame for the loss gets put on Tartt for that drop, but the offense still did nothing down the stretch in that game. 6 points on offense in the divisional round, 17 points in the NFC Championship game. The offense really let us down in the playoffs.

This really irritates me. The defense let us down in the nfc championship game. It is so easy to forget how that defense got manhandled in the 1st half. That 10 minute td drive was demoralizing. The failure to stop the rams in The 4th quarter in each and every possession. The way kupp annihilated Williams.

Even after that, somehow, the niners were still up after Jimmy finds kittle in the end zone. What does the defense do? Immediately Give up 2 stupid penalties and let the rams drive down the field.

So while the offense didn't do its part in the playoffs for sure, that defense took a massive dump in the nfc championship game. The total points scored by the Rams means nothing.

In the end, the defense only gave up 20 points. That should be enough to win. We had the ball on offense down only 3 with the opportunity to drive down and win the game.

The Rams held the ball for 35:39 compared to 24:21 for the Niners. 99 plays to our 70. They were running at will on our front 7 and controlling the clock, picking up 11/18 3rd down conversions. Our defense got destroyed that game. Saying "they only gave up 20 points" totally ignores the pace and flow of the game, which was our defense getting physically manhandled the entire game. Of course our offense could have done more, but let's not act like the defense did them any favors.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
We were a dropped interceptions from being in the superbowl and it was the wrong decision to sit Trey.

Were they going to just end the game with 9 minutes left? A lot of blame for the loss gets put on Tartt for that drop, but the offense still did nothing down the stretch in that game. 6 points on offense in the divisional round, 17 points in the NFC Championship game. The offense really let us down in the playoffs.

This really irritates me. The defense let us down in the nfc championship game. It is so easy to forget how that defense got manhandled in the 1st half. That 10 minute td drive was demoralizing. The failure to stop the rams in The 4th quarter in each and every possession. The way kupp annihilated Williams.

Even after that, somehow, the niners were still up after Jimmy finds kittle in the end zone. What does the defense do? Immediately Give up 2 stupid penalties and let the rams drive down the field.

So while the offense didn't do its part in the playoffs for sure, that defense took a massive dump in the nfc championship game. The total points scored by the Rams means nothing.

In the end, the defense only gave up 20 points. That should be enough to win. We had the ball on offense down only 3 with the opportunity to drive down and win the game.

The Rams held the ball for 35:39 compared to 24:21 for the Niners. 99 plays to our 70. They were running at will on our front 7 and controlling the clock, picking up 11/18 3rd down conversions. Our defense got destroyed that game. Saying "they only gave up 20 points" totally ignores the pace and flow of the game, which was our defense getting physically manhandled the entire game. Of course our offense could have done more, but let's not act like the defense did them any favors.

The goal is to score points. A team could have 45 minutes of possession and be 75% on third down, but if they only score 10 points, the offense did not play well. Was our defense perfect? No, of course not, but 17 points on offense is far worse than just "they could have done more".

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Great objective read from a guy that understands football, what they do in practice, and who's been watching all the practice reps.

I wrote about what I saw from Trey Lance during yesterday's practice, and included my notes for each of his 12 passing attempts that I charted

Consistency is the biggest thing to improve on, but it's clear that Lance is trending in the right directionhttps://t.co/Wib6Ncna0Y

— Jordan Elliott (@JLeeElliott) August 8, 2022

Good context that goes beyond lame training camp boxcores. If he goes 10-12 with a bunch of dumpoffs, that's not impressive imo.
I'm most interested in the quickness and correctness of his decision making. Accuracy will forever be a work in progress, as it should be for any QB serious about his craft. For a youngster learning the speed of the NFL, show me good decision making, and understanding of what the defense is doing. It's a positive he is missing with his throws in the correct way - where if the WR doesn't get it, no one gets it.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Rams did not run at will. 70 yards at 2.4 a pop lol. The D did more than enough to win that game