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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Koldo:
The Shanahan cult now has the perfect excuse if Trey goes bust:

"Mac was always his first choice; he was forced by Lynch / Jed / Paraag to draft Lance."

There's a Shanahan cult? You starting an anti Shanahan cult to oppose it?

Not even sure he's a Niners fan. If you cant like the coach or QB, then I guess enjoy watching our D. It is great, but wow, what a long season it's gonna be watching guys you can't stand tear the league up.
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

Unless he runs out of bounds or slides or otherwise gives himself up. As we saw with Jimmy (and Trey) being in the pocket doesn't protect you.
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Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

It's amazing how many people argue against this.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Everyone laughing at Chris Simms, Adam schefter and others

They were right the whole time.

…they were?

Listen, maybe we're living in different universes here. But I'm pretty sure Mac Jones is in New England. Unless I missed something…
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

If it's common sense, then there should be TONS of evidence to support what you guys are claiming. There isn't.
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's amazing how many people argue against this.

It's amazing how some people just ignore evidence.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

It's amazing how many people argue against this.

Agreed
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Sounds like the anti Trey aka Jimmy crowd are showing the next wave of their attack by being the should have been Mac! crowd lol

LOL you saw right through my comment didn't ya.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Why are you making the assumption that there is an anti Trey crowd. While people questioned his readiness to start last year based on his limited experience I don't think there has been a lot of sentiment out there to suggest people don't want him to succeed, outside of that one guy who was all in on the team picking Mac Jones. Why also would you make the assumption that people who supported Jimmy's continued tenure as the starting QB last year now make up the core of an "anti Trey" component? Again, I have seen very few posters in here actively rooting for Lance to fail but rather are just taking a wait an see attitude.

What I have seen is the opposite though where people constantly rip on Jimmy as if that is their sole reason for existing. Jimmy always gave his best and when he was healthy enough to get through most of the season helped get the team to two NFC Championship games. I have never understood the hate that he inspires among some posters in here for all of the contributions he made to the team. All I can figure is that, at its core, it's all about this sort of phony sense of entitlement that some 'fans" have abut this team. "Oh, well we had Joe and Steve, so we DESERVE and want only HOF QB's on our roster nothing else will do". Oh, please, get over it.

Like many people I was proud of the team's unbeaten Super Bowl record and that loss to Baltimore is one of the many reasons I have always been down on the Harbaugh/Kaepernick experience. That was a winnable game and they failed to get it done. But that ship has sailed. There is no way for the team to go back to being unbeaten so now, like every other team in the league, they are out there competing to get back to the big game and get another trophy. People seem to forget that Joe wasn't always able to get the team over the hump and that Steve lost two straight NFC Championship games to the Cowboys, in large part because of his own mistakes. If social media had been a thing back then I don't have the slightest doubt that he would have gotten completely excoriated for those losses and that "fans" would have been calling for his head. But now he is a generally admired part of a storied past. But Jimmy misses a throw that could have made a difference amidst the team's utter defensive collapse in the last 10 minutes of the game and it becomes an unforgivable sin for some. Whatever, The team decided it was time to try something new and hopefully Trey will give everyone plenty of reasons to get behind him. Go Niners!
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
(Abbout Jimmy) "I dont understand the hate he inspires."

"I have always been down on the Harbaugh/Kaepernick experience. That was a winnable game and they failed to get it done."

Talking out of both sides of your mouth here. SMH.

Bro thank you. I read that post and took an aspirin. He cemented my comment as fact

Oh, please. Get over yourself. If that's what you took away from that post then I'm not sure what there is left to say.

I'm fine thank you. You literally contradicted yourself form one paragraph to the next.

What is the contradiction. My literal statement was,

Like many people I was proud of the team's unbeaten Super Bowl record and that loss to Baltimore is one of the many reasons I have always been down on the Harbaugh/Kaepernick experience. That was a winnable game and they failed to get it done. But that ship has sailed.

Have I continued to post obsessively about it, Does saying that I have been down on the Harbaugh/Kaepernick experience somehow equate to saying I hate them? I don't know "down" and "hate" don't even share any of the same letters, Maybe you need to buy a new dictionary or update your spell check.

After Kaepernick left the team there was a thread on him in the NFL talk section, I have no idea if it's still there because I have never posted in it. Ever. Same with the Harbaugh thread if there even is one anymore or ever was. The harshest thing I ever said about Kaepernick is that I thought he was fool's gold and was never as good as some others have thought. That's just my opinion though and it's not some hill I'm prepared to die on in order to convince anyone else that I'm right and they're wrong, which seems to be the way this forum generally works. Personally I prefer to support the players on the team rather than look for reasons to rip them.

Besides what does any of that have to do with the original point, which was your contention that there was an "anti Trey" element in this forum that was in some way related to the "Jimmy crowd". I don't think it is an argument that has much merit, because I have seen very little evidence of an anti-Trey crowd. I have seen people question whether or not he is ready but I haven't seen anyone actively rooting for him to fail, with the exception of that one Mac Jones fan.

This whole notion of an anti-trey or pro Jimmy thing is mostly something that was concocted in certain poster's heads because they have convinced themselves that people can't possibly like one player without hating the other. As I said, I like Jimmy and appreciate what he did for the team but I also understand why Kyle and John felt they needed to go in another direction. I completely supported their decision to go with Jimmy last year because of Lance's lack of experience and Jimmy rewarded that faith by helping them get as far as the NFC Championship game in spite of his various injuries. Sadly the TEAM couldn't close the deal but that ship has also sailed and simply isn't worth worrying about anymore. As I said once the unbeaten streak ended they just became another team trying to compete for and win championships.

Now it's Trey's turn at the helm and by all accounts he has improved a lot since last year and is probably more prepared to help the the team get where they want to go which, as fans, is something we should all be rooting for. Will he succeed, who knows, I guess we'll start to find out in a few weeks. If he doesn't you won't see me among the crowd that might emerge saying. "oh, we should have kept Jimmy", because that ship has also sailed. Go Niners!
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's amazing how many people argue against this.

It's amazing how some people just ignore evidence.

I missed the post where you showed the evidence.
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

No evidence lol.. look at the careers of a QB vs the career length of a RB.. RBs are very old at 30..

one of the longer careers in the NFL on average.. kicker.
Originally posted by Koldo:
The Shanahan cult now has the perfect excuse if Trey goes bust:

"Mac was always his first choice; he was forced by Lynch / Jed / Paraag to draft Lance."

Except this mythical cult of yours would get shot down in flames for inventing the story about Shanahan being forced to draft Lance. It goes completely against everything I have read from Shanahan, Lynch and the more reliable sources. Only the fan rumour mills have been spreading it.
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's amazing how many people argue against this.

It's amazing how some people just ignore evidence.

I missed the post where you showed the evidence.

Didn't realize the onus was on me to disprove someone's uneducated opinion that running QBs get hurt more. But here you go. I'm sure there are countless more articles one can pull up.

https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/

https://www.theundroppables.com/medical-myths-mobile-qbs/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/injury-proneness-running-qbs-russell-wilson-lamar-jackson/opdkjdfw91001uuwfzt4rm82s

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/running-qbs-not-more-injury-prone-than-drop-back-qbs/2206637/?outputType=amp

https://slate.com/culture/2013/02/quarterback-injuries-are-mobile-qbs-like-colin-kaepernick-more-injury-prone-than-pocket-passers.html

https://mgoblog.com/diaries/busting-myth-option-qb-fragility

https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2021/mobile-quarterbacks-and-injury-rates#:~:text=Mobile%20quarterbacks%20are%20injured%20less,stay%20healthy%2Fare%20injury%20prone.

[ Edited by SteveWallacesHelmet on Aug 10, 2022 at 10:15 PM ]
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
No evidence lol.. look at the careers of a QB vs the career length of a RB.. RBs are very old at 30..

one of the longer careers in the NFL on average.. kicker.

Correct.
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