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Aug 10, 2022 at 10:19 PM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

No evidence lol.. look at the careers of a QB vs the career length of a RB.. RBs are very old at 30..

one of the longer careers in the NFL on average.. kicker.

I don't know… We watched Russell Wilson the last 10 years and the one time he ever missed games it was due to an injury he suffered in the pocket. During that time, we also watched our standard issue pocket QB get 3 different injuries from the pocket in the same season.

Running QBs are usually in control. They can choose to slide or go out of bounds or give themselves up. Pocket QBs are taking hits in the pocket that they often don't see coming and can't protect themselves from. That's a lot more risky.
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 PM ]
Aug 10, 2022 at 10:21 PM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's amazing how many people argue against this.

It's amazing how some people just ignore evidence.

I missed the post where you showed the evidence.

Didn't realize the onus was on me to disprove someone's uneducated opinion that running QBs get hurt more. But here you go. I'm sure there are countless more articles one can pull up.

https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/

https://www.theundroppables.com/medical-myths-mobile-qbs/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/injury-proneness-running-qbs-russell-wilson-lamar-jackson/opdkjdfw91001uuwfzt4rm82s

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/running-qbs-not-more-injury-prone-than-drop-back-qbs/2206637/?outputType=amp

https://slate.com/culture/2013/02/quarterback-injuries-are-mobile-qbs-like-colin-kaepernick-more-injury-prone-than-pocket-passers.html

https://mgoblog.com/diaries/busting-myth-option-qb-fragility

https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2021/mobile-quarterbacks-and-injury-rates#:~:text=Mobile%20quarterbacks%20are%20injured%20less,stay%20healthy%2Fare%20injury%20prone.


Good stuff.
Aug 10, 2022 at 10:28 PM
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Good stuff.

It will be ignored by the "It's common sense" crew.
Aug 10, 2022 at 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's amazing how many people argue against this.

It's amazing how some people just ignore evidence.

I missed the post where you showed the evidence.

Didn't realize the onus was on me to disprove someone's uneducated opinion that running QBs get hurt more. But here you go. I'm sure there are countless more articles one can pull up.

https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/

https://www.theundroppables.com/medical-myths-mobile-qbs/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/injury-proneness-running-qbs-russell-wilson-lamar-jackson/opdkjdfw91001uuwfzt4rm82s

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/running-qbs-not-more-injury-prone-than-drop-back-qbs/2206637/?outputType=amp

https://slate.com/culture/2013/02/quarterback-injuries-are-mobile-qbs-like-colin-kaepernick-more-injury-prone-than-pocket-passers.html

https://mgoblog.com/diaries/busting-myth-option-qb-fragility

https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2021/mobile-quarterbacks-and-injury-rates#:~:text=Mobile%20quarterbacks%20are%20injured%20less,stay%20healthy%2Fare%20injury%20prone.


Imagine making the argument that RG3 didn't get hurt because of his running when he literally injured himself while running lol.
Aug 10, 2022 at 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

No evidence lol.. look at the careers of a QB vs the career length of a RB.. RBs are very old at 30..

one of the longer careers in the NFL on average.. kicker.

Exactly this. Dude used the argument that RG3's injury was non-contact even though he was running while injured. Hell Jimmy was too. Is playing QB from the pocket 100% safe? Of course not that's ridiculous and no one is saying that. But it's a helluva lot safer then running, cutting, and taking cumulative hits from defenders.
Aug 10, 2022 at 10:50 PM
He's essentially a rookie are people seriously expecting him to be at a pro bowl level? I'm expecting huge growing pains. A lot of errant passes and bad decisions but at the same time a lot of mesmerizing throws and plays. At years end we will see a much improved QB.
Aug 10, 2022 at 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

No evidence lol.. look at the careers of a QB vs the career length of a RB.. RBs are very old at 30..

one of the longer careers in the NFL on average.. kicker.

Exactly this. Dude used the argument that RG3's injury was non-contact even though he was running while injured. Hell Jimmy was too. Is playing QB from the pocket 100% safe? Of course not that's ridiculous and no one is saying that. But it's a helluva lot safer then running, cutting, and taking cumulative hits from defenders.

Using RG3, a sample of one, to proclaim all running QBs get injured at a higher rate would be the same as using Bill Grammatica to claim that kicking is one of the most dangerous positions. Using any single example is not the same as evidence. The stats do not support the assertion that running QBs get hurt at a higher rate.
Aug 10, 2022 at 11:16 PM
This is like arguing which hooker would likely gives you STD, the $20 version or the $200 one.
Aug 10, 2022 at 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's amazing how many people argue against this.

It's amazing how some people just ignore evidence.

I missed the post where you showed the evidence.

Didn't realize the onus was on me to disprove someone's uneducated opinion that running QBs get hurt more. But here you go. I'm sure there are countless more articles one can pull up.

https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/

https://www.theundroppables.com/medical-myths-mobile-qbs/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/injury-proneness-running-qbs-russell-wilson-lamar-jackson/opdkjdfw91001uuwfzt4rm82s

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/running-qbs-not-more-injury-prone-than-drop-back-qbs/2206637/?outputType=amp

https://slate.com/culture/2013/02/quarterback-injuries-are-mobile-qbs-like-colin-kaepernick-more-injury-prone-than-pocket-passers.html

https://mgoblog.com/diaries/busting-myth-option-qb-fragility

https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2021/mobile-quarterbacks-and-injury-rates#:~:text=Mobile%20quarterbacks%20are%20injured%20less,stay%20healthy%2Fare%20injury%20prone.


Imagine making the argument that RG3 didn't get hurt because of his running when he literally injured himself while running lol.

Same with Mike Vick, Lamar Jackson, two ankle injuries and one knee injury. FWIW Jimmy Garropolo injured his ACL…..umm running. Daunte Culpepper, three knee injuries. Randall Cunningham, ACL. All other running QB's aren't really worth mentioning like for instance Eric Crouch.
Aug 10, 2022 at 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

No evidence lol.. look at the careers of a QB vs the career length of a RB.. RBs are very old at 30..

one of the longer careers in the NFL on average.. kicker.

Exactly this. Dude used the argument that RG3's injury was non-contact even though he was running while injured. Hell Jimmy was too. Is playing QB from the pocket 100% safe? Of course not that's ridiculous and no one is saying that. But it's a helluva lot safer then running, cutting, and taking cumulative hits from defenders.

Using RG3, a sample of one, to proclaim all running QBs get injured at a higher rate would be the same as using Bill Grammatica to claim that kicking is one of the most dangerous positions. Using any single example is not the same as evidence. The stats do not support the assertion that running QBs get hurt at a higher rate.

Regardless, running QB's suck ass in the NFL, especially if they struggle at passing like Lamar Jackson and Kaepernick. They're good for highlights but that's about it.
Aug 10, 2022 at 11:38 PM
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Have a season, Trey.
Aug 10, 2022 at 11:47 PM
  • Giedi
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Have a season, Trey.

Aug 11, 2022 at 7:38 AM
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
He's essentially a rookie are people seriously expecting him to be at a pro bowl level? I'm expecting huge growing pains. A lot of errant passes and bad decisions but at the same time a lot of mesmerizing throws and plays. At years end we will see a much improved QB.

I'm okay with some growing pains. Not so much with HUGE growing pains. We have a SB caliber roster and a 4th string qb that is capable of getting them there. The idea of drafting him was to upgrade the position. I just worry about his inaccuracy. It's like he just throws and hopes.
Aug 11, 2022 at 7:47 AM
Originally posted by raywm3:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
He's essentially a rookie are people seriously expecting him to be at a pro bowl level? I'm expecting huge growing pains. A lot of errant passes and bad decisions but at the same time a lot of mesmerizing throws and plays. At years end we will see a much improved QB.

I'm okay with some growing pains. Not so much with HUGE growing pains. We have a SB caliber roster and a 4th string qb that is capable of getting them there. The idea of drafting him was to upgrade the position. I just worry about his inaccuracy. It's like he just throws and hopes.

The accuracy thing is being overplayed. He may not be as accurate as Jimmy but hopefully he throws a little farther downfield and hits more big plays. The Ravens have done pretty well with Lamar Jackson and he's not as accurate as Trey. I'm more concerned about him seeing the open receivers. If he can do that the rest will fall into place.
Aug 11, 2022 at 7:49 AM
Originally posted by raywm3:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
He's essentially a rookie are people seriously expecting him to be at a pro bowl level? I'm expecting huge growing pains. A lot of errant passes and bad decisions but at the same time a lot of mesmerizing throws and plays. At years end we will see a much improved QB.

I'm okay with some growing pains. Not so much with HUGE growing pains. We have a SB caliber roster and a 4th string qb that is capable of getting them there. The idea of drafting him was to upgrade the position. I just worry about his inaccuracy. It's like he just throws and hopes.

This is one of the most ridiculous takes I have read on here. Trey made some pretty clutch throws in tight coverage last season. His biggest issue was not trusting what he saw, holding the ball too long and then gunning it in there to try to make up for it. This caused the ball to sail on him sometimes. I have a suspicion that once Trey really trusts what he sees, these so called "accuracy issues" will go away.
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