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Originally posted by Kolohe:Regardless, running QB's suck ass in the NFL, especially if they struggle at passing like Lamar Jackson and Kaepernick. They're good for highlights but that's about it.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's amazing how many people argue against this.
It's amazing how some people just ignore evidence.
I missed the post where you showed the evidence.
Didn't realize the onus was on me to disprove someone's uneducated opinion that running QBs get hurt more. But here you go. I'm sure there are countless more articles one can pull up.
https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/
https://www.theundroppables.com/medical-myths-mobile-qbs/
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/injury-proneness-running-qbs-russell-wilson-lamar-jackson/opdkjdfw91001uuwfzt4rm82s
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/running-qbs-not-more-injury-prone-than-drop-back-qbs/2206637/?outputType=amp
https://slate.com/culture/2013/02/quarterback-injuries-are-mobile-qbs-like-colin-kaepernick-more-injury-prone-than-pocket-passers.html
https://mgoblog.com/diaries/busting-myth-option-qb-fragility
https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2021/mobile-quarterbacks-and-injury-rates#:~:text=Mobile%20quarterbacks%20are%20injured%20less,stay%20healthy%2Fare%20injury%20prone.
Running QBs & injuries- a thread
— Edwin Porras, DPT (@FBInjuryDoc) January 5, 2020
For as much talk as there is about running QBs & injuries you'd think there's hard evidence for it. But is there?
Let's use RGIII as an example. His career-altering ACL tear was NON-contacthttps://t.co/G1vUWF4eJA
1/
Good stuff.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Imagine making the argument that RG3 didn't get hurt because of his running when he literally injured himself while running lol.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol
Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.
There is no justifying anything.
It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.
No evidence lol.. look at the careers of a QB vs the career length of a RB.. RBs are very old at 30..
one of the longer careers in the NFL on average.. kicker.
Exactly this. Dude used the argument that RG3's injury was non-contact even though he was running while injured. Hell Jimmy was too. Is playing QB from the pocket 100% safe? Of course not that's ridiculous and no one is saying that. But it's a helluva lot safer then running, cutting, and taking cumulative hits from defenders.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
It's amazing how many people argue against this.
It's amazing how some people just ignore evidence.
I missed the post where you showed the evidence.
Didn't realize the onus was on me to disprove someone's uneducated opinion that running QBs get hurt more. But here you go. I'm sure there are countless more articles one can pull up.
https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/
https://www.theundroppables.com/medical-myths-mobile-qbs/
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/injury-proneness-running-qbs-russell-wilson-lamar-jackson/opdkjdfw91001uuwfzt4rm82s
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/running-qbs-not-more-injury-prone-than-drop-back-qbs/2206637/?outputType=amp
https://slate.com/culture/2013/02/quarterback-injuries-are-mobile-qbs-like-colin-kaepernick-more-injury-prone-than-pocket-passers.html
https://mgoblog.com/diaries/busting-myth-option-qb-fragility
https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2021/mobile-quarterbacks-and-injury-rates#:~:text=Mobile%20quarterbacks%20are%20injured%20less,stay%20healthy%2Fare%20injury%20prone.
Running QBs & injuries- a thread
— Edwin Porras, DPT (@FBInjuryDoc) January 5, 2020
For as much talk as there is about running QBs & injuries you'd think there's hard evidence for it. But is there?
Let's use RGIII as an example. His career-altering ACL tear was NON-contacthttps://t.co/G1vUWF4eJA
1/
Good stuff.
Lol saying RG3 was non-contact go back and watch the Haloti Ngata hit on RG3. Seriously. Watch it.
That was the origin of his injury. He played on that and it messed up his entire career.
This is documented:
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/rg3-reflections-haloti-ngatas-hit-was-first-step-griffins-fall-stardom
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:Imaging being an adult and bickering about ridiculous things on a internet message board every day.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Imagine making the argument that RG3 didn't get hurt because of his running when he literally injured himself while running lol.
Imagine being a grown adult and continuing to close your eyes and ignore factual information presented to you.
Originally posted by NDSU:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:Imaging being an adult and bickering about ridiculous things on a internet message board every day.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Imagine making the argument that RG3 didn't get hurt because of his running when he literally injured himself while running lol.
Imagine being a grown adult and continuing to close your eyes and ignore factual information presented to you.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Same with Mike Vick, Lamar Jackson, two ankle injuries and one knee injury. FWIW Jimmy Garropolo injured his ACL…..umm running. Daunte Culpepper, three knee injuries. Randall Cunningham, ACL. All other running QB's aren't really worth mentioning like for instance Eric Crouch.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Regardless, running QB's suck ass in the NFL, especially if they struggle at passing like Lamar Jackson and Kaepernick. They're good for highlights but that's about it.
Originally posted by raywm3:
I'm okay with some growing pains. Not so much with HUGE growing pains. We have a SB caliber roster and a 4th string qb that is capable of getting them there. The idea of drafting him was to upgrade the position. I just worry about his inaccuracy. It's like he just throws and hopes.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:Adult discussions do not require "one side" acknowledging they were wrong. Opinions vary.
Originally posted by NDSU:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:Imaging being an adult and bickering about ridiculous things on a internet message board every day.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Imagine making the argument that RG3 didn't get hurt because of his running when he literally injured himself while running lol.
Imagine being a grown adult and continuing to close your eyes and ignore factual information presented to you.
Trying to have a football discussion but one side is refusing to acknowledge that they are wrong. That's what this board is for. Football discussion.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Regardless, running QB's suck ass in the NFL, especially if they struggle at passing like Lamar Jackson and Kaepernick. They're good for highlights but that's about it.
We'd have a SB if we had Lamar Jackson lol. Even Kap was a much better player in the playoffs than Jimmy.
Pocket passer > running QB is not always true
Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol
Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.
There is no justifying anything.
It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.
No evidence lol.. look at the careers of a QB vs the career length of a RB.. RBs are very old at 30..
one of the longer careers in the NFL on average.. kicker.
Exactly this. Dude used the argument that RG3's injury was non-contact even though he was running while injured. Hell Jimmy was too. Is playing QB from the pocket 100% safe? Of course not that's ridiculous and no one is saying that. But it's a helluva lot safer then running, cutting, and taking cumulative hits from defenders.
What's ridiculous is honing on a singular argument when a mountain of evidence was provided and subsequently ignored.
Originally posted by NDSU:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:Adult discussions do not require "one side" acknowledging they were wrong. Opinions vary.
Originally posted by NDSU:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:Imaging being an adult and bickering about ridiculous things on a internet message board every day.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Imagine making the argument that RG3 didn't get hurt because of his running when he literally injured himself while running lol.
Imagine being a grown adult and continuing to close your eyes and ignore factual information presented to you.
Trying to have a football discussion but one side is refusing to acknowledge that they are wrong. That's what this board is for. Football discussion.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The evidence is clear. You can look at every RB that has played the game and every QB. QBs last much longer. Kickers last even longer than QBs. You have to answer the question why that is. It's obvious. RBs take more contact than QB.. QBs take more contact than kickers.. contact is the variable. The more you are contacted.. the more you expose yourself to hits.. hits shorten your career..
It's undeniable and statistical fact that RBs have shorter career than QBs... sure you can be a running QB and play a long career and a pocket QB that gets injured all day.. this is anecdotal.. when you aggregate all RBs and all QBs.. clear difference. The more you treat your QB like and RB the less he will last on the average.
Avg length of career by position in number of seasons:
- Kickers/Punters — 4.87
- Quarterbacks — 4.44
- Offensive Linemen — 3.63
- Defensive Linemen — 3.24
- Linebackers — 2.97
- Cornerbacks — 2.94
- Tight Ends — 2.85
- Wide Receivers — 2.81
- Running Backs — 2.57
- League average — 3.3
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The evidence is clear. You can look at every RB that has played the game and every QB. QBs last much longer. Kickers last even longer than QBs. You have to answer the question why that is. It's obvious. RBs take more contact than QB.. QBs take more contact than kickers.. contact is the variable. The more you are contacted.. the more you expose yourself to hits.. hits shorten your career..
It's undeniable and statistical fact that RBs have shorter career than QBs... sure you can be a running QB and play a long career and a pocket QB that gets injured all day.. this is anecdotal.. when you aggregate all RBs and all QBs.. clear difference. The more you treat your QB like and RB the less he will last on the average.
Avg length of career by position in number of seasons:
- Kickers/Punters — 4.87
- Quarterbacks — 4.44
- Offensive Linemen — 3.63
- Defensive Linemen — 3.24
- Linebackers — 2.97
- Cornerbacks — 2.94
- Tight Ends — 2.85
- Wide Receivers — 2.81
- Running Backs — 2.57
- League average — 3.3
Comparing a running back to a quarterback? Talk about a disingenuous comparison.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The evidence is clear. You can look at every RB that has played the game and every QB. QBs last much longer. Kickers last even longer than QBs. You have to answer the question why that is. It's obvious. RBs take more contact than QB.. QBs take more contact than kickers.. contact is the variable. The more you are contacted.. the more you expose yourself to hits.. hits shorten your career..
It's undeniable and statistical fact that RBs have shorter career than QBs... sure you can be a running QB and play a long career and a pocket QB that gets injured all day.. this is anecdotal.. when you aggregate all RBs and all QBs.. clear difference. The more you treat your QB like and RB the less he will last on the average.
Avg length of career by position in number of seasons:
- Kickers/Punters — 4.87
- Quarterbacks — 4.44
- Offensive Linemen — 3.63
- Defensive Linemen — 3.24
- Linebackers — 2.97
- Cornerbacks — 2.94
- Tight Ends — 2.85
- Wide Receivers — 2.81
- Running Backs — 2.57
- League average — 3.3
Comparing a running back to a quarterback? Talk about a disingenuous comparison.
Lol they are football players. Explain why there is a difference in rates of career length. If it's related to running the ball and we are talking about a QB running the ball...