Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
They are pocket passers lol. Are you saying Burrows and Stafford are running QBs?!

"Running QB" -- the term doesn't even make any sense. It's a forced categorization. I think I've made that point clear.

Why the obsession with tags and names when you could spend more time talking about their games?

Sorry "mobile" QBs. Wrong word usage. My still point stands that pocket passers aren't a dying breed. You're the one making an anecdotal argument that has nothing to do with anything besides to change the topic.

Passing the ball in the pocket is a part of football barring some monumental rule change to the game.

All 32 teams have pocket passers.

Do you really mean "Immobile QBs arent a dying breed".....?? I mean is that your aim but you're just kinda afraid to say it?

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I want to believe that what we saw against the Cardinals was because Trey himself was hurt and still couldn't throw it well.

it was because he didn't know the offense yet. He got hurt in that game, running the ball. We should keep him running to a bare minimum, because qbs who finish runs like fullbacks do get hurt more often, regardless of what people are trying to pass off. Trey isn't a sliding type either, he is a try and dive forward type. The last thing we need is Trey getting injured all the time because he won't get out of bounds or hasn't learned to slide. I wouldn't want to have to rely on Sudfield or Purdy at all.

That is not true. His finger was injured in the last preseason game against Vegas. That is why the game plan was changed Kyle has said this in interviews. You are right that he was hurt running but that was his knee. The game plan was changed due to the finger.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-trey-lance-says-finger-injury-affected-his-rookie-season-had-to-throw-the-football-differently/amp/

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
They are pocket passers lol. Are you saying Burrows and Stafford are running QBs?!

"Running QB" -- the term doesn't even make any sense. It's a forced categorization. I think I've made that point clear.

Why the obsession with tags and names when you could spend more time talking about their games?

Sorry "mobile" QBs. Wrong word usage. My still point stands that pocket passers aren't a dying breed. You're the one making an anecdotal argument that has nothing to do with anything besides to change the topic.

Passing the ball in the pocket is a part of football barring some monumental rule change to the game.

All 32 teams have pocket passers.

Do you really mean "Immobile QBs arent a dying breed".....?? I mean is that your aim but you're just kinda afraid to say it?

No thanks.

super encouraging to hear what's going on with Lance this off season and training camp. It's going to be a fun year for us fans!

Originally posted by davidboutte:
I agree that this is a decent outcome and realistic. That said we're discussing a 2nd round QB and one who was drafted #3 overall that cost 3 total 1st rd picks. At some point we have to discuss two outcomes or perspectives. 1 is we spent too much on Lance unless he becomes Mahomes 2.0. Safe to say that's unlikely. 2 is this someone we're gonna even want to resign in 3-4 years? I'll answer that with a maybe.

I hated our reality with Jimmy. I never liked the trade before or after the draft. 5 QB's. Let's just see if he's not the 5th best, drafted 3 overall. That'll be a huge win if he ends up 2/3 amongst the 5.

Should we compare the #1 pick and a generational talent in Trevor Lawrence instead? 3,600 yards (on 600+ passing attempts) comp 59% of his passes with 12 TDs to 17 INTs? How about the other guy drafted before him? Zach Wilson. 2,300 yards comp 55% of his passes with 9 TDs 11 INTs.

what you're asking to discuss is so far down the road that imo it's not worth discussing today.

like I said if he puts up a hurts like season in his first yr as a starter, I don't see that as failure at all. Who cares where Hurts was taken? Once you're the starter (and in his case they traded away their highly paid young QB in favor for) all that "where you were taken" is pointless. You're the starter. You don't get the benefit of the doubt or expect to be any less because you were taken at a certain spot at that point.

None of these guys are close to finished products and shouldn't be treated as such.

Originally posted by davidboutte:
We essentially traded one of 5, a replacement for McGlinchey, and another starter on an affordable contract for another one of 5 that may be worse. Trey has a lot to do the justify the trade. The big difference is we have a team who can support him better then the others.

that's the cost of moving up to get a QB. This team doesn't blow so they don't have the luxury to sit pat.

all he has to do is be the starter and improve. Like you said the team around him is good and can help a young QB not have to do more than he's capable of right now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by davidboutte:
I agree that this is a decent outcome and realistic. That said we're discussing a 2nd round QB and one who was drafted #3 overall that cost 3 total 1st rd picks. At some point we have to discuss two outcomes or perspectives. 1 is we spent too much on Lance unless he becomes Mahomes 2.0. Safe to say that's unlikely. 2 is this someone we're gonna even want to resign in 3-4 years? I'll answer that with a maybe.

I hated our reality with Jimmy. I never liked the trade before or after the draft. 5 QB's. Let's just see if he's not the 5th best, drafted 3 overall. That'll be a huge win if he ends up 2/3 amongst the 5.

Should we compare the #1 pick and a generational talent in Trevor Lawrence instead? 3,600 yards (on 600+ passing attempts) comp 59% of his passes with 12 TDs to 17 INTs? How about the other guy drafted before him? Zach Wilson. 2,300 yards comp 55% of his passes with 9 TDs 11 INTs.

what you're asking to discuss is so far down the road that imo it's not worth discussing today.

like I said if he puts up a hurts like season in his first yr as a starter, I don't see that as failure at all. Who cares where Hurts was taken? Once you're the starter (and in his case they traded away their highly paid young QB in favor for) all that "where you were taken" is pointless. You're the starter. You don't get the benefit of the doubt or expect to be any less because you were taken at a certain spot at that point.

None of these guys are close to finished products and shouldn't be treated as such.

I get your point and agree stat wise that Trey doesn't need to light it up but if Trey is Jalen Hurts then that's pretty underwhelming imo. I'm personally not sold on the guy one bit. He has a good start but averaged under 180 yards per his last 8. The team was winning so I'll take that over stats but I hope Trey is better.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
I get your point and agree stat wise that Trey doesn't need to light it up but if Trey is Jalen Hurts then that's pretty underwhelming imo. I'm personally not sold on the guy one bit. He has a good start but averaged under 180 yards per his last 8. The team was winning so I'll take that over stats but I hope Trey is better.

If he's Hurts in his first season that's more than fine with this team. He's not gonna be a Jedi master as a in the pocket passer yr 1, no one should be expecting that.

philly ran the s**t out of the football second half of the year. I expect the same from SF. I think Lance is by far more talented then Hurts, I just don't think he's gonna come out like Mahomes right off the bat.

baby steps people

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
I get your point and agree stat wise that Trey doesn't need to light it up but if Trey is Jalen Hurts then that's pretty underwhelming imo. I'm personally not sold on the guy one bit. He has a good start but averaged under 180 yards per his last 8. The team was winning so I'll take that over stats but I hope Trey is better.

If he's Hurts in his first season that's more than fine with this team. He's not gonna be a Jedi master as a in the pocket passer yr 1, no one should be expecting that.

philly ran the s**t out of the football second half of the year. I expect the same from SF. I think Lance is by far more talented then Hurts, I just don't think he's gonna come out like Mahomes right off the bat.

baby steps people

No argument on that, I just think Hurts is setting the bar too low but I do agree that expectations need to be tempered.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
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No argument on that, I just think Hurts is setting the bar too low but I do agree that expectations need to be tempered.

I think the bar is appropriate for his first yr…great D and a offense based around the run. Same as Philly.

Lance is more talented and I don't expect him to just be Hurts for his career or anything. We're talking YR1.

4,000 total yards, 61 comp%, 30+ total TDs I wouldn't be upset with that at all…great base to develop off of.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm with you 100%. The people saying "he can also get hurt in the pocket" are like people who justify the risks of skydiving or bungie jumping by saying "you can die driving your car or walking across the street." Lol

Not sure what the post you replied to said, but there is zero evidence to support the opinion that QBs who run get injured more than QBs who don't.

There is no justifying anything.

It's common sense. Unless he's scoring every time he carries the ball he is more than likely getting tackled and once he's a runner he is devoid of the protections afforded QB's.

No evidence lol.. look at the careers of a QB vs the career length of a RB.. RBs are very old at 30..

one of the longer careers in the NFL on average.. kicker.

Exactly this. Dude used the argument that RG3's injury was non-contact even though he was running while injured. Hell Jimmy was too. Is playing QB from the pocket 100% safe? Of course not that's ridiculous and no one is saying that. But it's a helluva lot safer then running, cutting, and taking cumulative hits from defenders.

What's ridiculous is honing on a singular argument when a mountain of evidence was provided and subsequently ignored.

The evidence is clear. You can look at every RB that has played the game and every QB. QBs last much longer. Kickers last even longer than QBs. You have to answer the question why that is. It's obvious. RBs take more contact than QB.. QBs take more contact than kickers.. contact is the variable. The more you are contacted.. the more you expose yourself to hits.. hits shorten your career..

It's undeniable and statistical fact that RBs have shorter career than QBs... sure you can be a running QB and play a long career and a pocket QB that gets injured all day.. this is anecdotal.. when you aggregate all RBs and all QBs.. clear difference. The more you treat your QB like and RB the less he will last on the average.

Avg length of career by position in number of seasons:

• Kickers/Punters — 4.87
• Quarterbacks — 4.44
• Offensive Linemen — 3.63
• Defensive Linemen — 3.24
• Linebackers — 2.97
• Cornerbacks — 2.94
• Tight Ends — 2.85
• Wide Receivers — 2.81
• Running Backs — 2.57
• League average — 3.3

Thank you for blowing the **** out of the fools who state running QB's aren't more likely to be injured. It is obvious common sense except to those fools who want to blah blah blah. RB's have a shorter career because they receive more contact. The more contact your QB takes the more likely he is to be injured. The more you run your QB the more likely he is to receive contact which results in a more likelihood that he is injured. Anyone arguing otherwise lacks any amount of common sense.

This is mostly BS, the average career length is a stupid stat as many more careers are ended by lack of ability (being replaced) than injury, also backup QB is the safest position in all of sport.

You're much more likely to be injured when you aren't preparing for contact. If you're sacked, but see it coming, you can turtle shell, and you probably won't be injured. If you're blindsided or in the motion of throwing you'll probably get hurt.

If you're running and you enter contact lowering your surface area, you probably won't be hurt. It's getting blindsided or hit by multiple defenders that leads to injury.

It might be more likely you get injured cutting, but that could happen avoiding defenders in the pocket anyway.

Agree 💯%, and I'll just add that a strong run game and a good offensive line also factors somewhat in QB injury rates. But great discussion!

In a few hours we should have some real plays to talk about and see what he has learned. My bet is that he looks like a real live NFL QB put there today. I have high hopes for this young man.

Originally posted by mojave45:
In a few hours we should have some real plays to talk about and see what he has learned. My bet is that he looks like a real live NFL QB put there today. I have high hopes for this young man.

I think he has a rough outing similar to the 1st half of the Houston game last year but then the 3rd preseason game will look more like the 2nd half of the Houston game.

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by mojave45:
In a few hours we should have some real plays to talk about and see what he has learned. My bet is that he looks like a real live NFL QB put there today. I have high hopes for this young man.

I think he has a rough outing similar to the 1st half of the Houston game last year but then the 3rd preseason game will look more like the 2nd half of the Houston game.

there are no gameplans for preseason. it's just call the play and run it..

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by mojave45:
In a few hours we should have some real plays to talk about and see what he has learned. My bet is that he looks like a real live NFL QB put there today. I have high hopes for this young man.

I think he has a rough outing similar to the 1st half of the Houston game last year but then the 3rd preseason game will look more like the 2nd half of the Houston game.

Preseason is not a great barometer for Trey. One of our main strengths is Kyle game planning easy lay ups, which he probably won't do tonight.

I expect big things, but think we're going to need to go through inconsistency for a while.