Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
No ar

No argument on that, I just think Hurts is setting the bar too low but I do agree that expectations need to be tempered.

I think the bar is appropriate for his first yr…great D and a offense based around the run. Same as Philly.

Lance is more talented and I don't expect him to just be Hurts for his career or anything. We're talking YR1.

4,000 total yards, 61 comp%, 30+ total TDs I wouldn't be upset with that at all…great base to develop off of.

The #3 pick who we traded three 1st for having a similar season to the 53rd pick is "appropriate?" Lol wow. Y'all really lining up the excuses.

All due respect Furlow.. what does draft status matter.. he can have a year worthy of pick 199.. which by the way was TB12

Why does draft status matter for expectations? Come on, man.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

Originally posted by Furlow:
This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

Every post just going after Hurts in the TL thread.. what in the world.. he's one of the better young QBs out there.. and now you got AJ Brown as a #1 and Devonta Smith in a much better spot as #2.. Smith has too much speed for one on ones and as we saw last year Brown can beat double teams he's a 1.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

Yeah... Why not just draft a guy like Hurts or Malik Willis if expectations are so meh? Expectations for a third pick with multiple other first should be superstar. That's not saying he needs to become a super star in one season but he should show a lot more than some third round picks. Especially with having 2 pro-bowlers and an up and coming Aiyuk. Expectations should not be Jalen Hurts.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

You must have missed the part where NY said for his 1st season…. Not his career. And said 4000 total yards 30+ touchdowns.

You're overthinking it man.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

What if Lance sucks but the team still makes it deep in the playoffs? To me, that would be a disappointing season for Lance. He needs to improve as the season progresses, irrespective of the 49ers win/loss record. Don't get caught up in the win/loss record when determining whether Lance had a good/bad season.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

First of all, Hurts was a better player overall than the guy Trey is replacing, so if Trey did put up a season similar to Hurts then that would represent an improvement. It doesn't matter when Jalen Hurts was picked, but you're the one that acts like it does.

Second, whether Trey was worth the price or not is not dependent on the outcome of this single season. That's something that can only be truly evaluated after Trey's career here is over or at least not for another few years. If Trey plays at Jalen Hurts level this year, that's not a disappointment. If he's still doing it when he's a 6 year veteran, that would be disappointing.

Why can't we let the dude play and evaluate his body of work on its merits after the fact? What is the point of setting expectations up front?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

What if Lance sucks but the team still makes it deep in the playoffs? To me, that would be a disappointing season for Lance. He needs to improve as the season progresses, irrespective of the 49ers win/loss record. Don't get caught up in the win/loss record when determining whether Lance had a good/bad season.

Hoping a Jimmy Stan won't use win/loss record in their QB evaluation is like hoping an Italian man will stop eating pasta. Not gonna happen.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Why can't we let the dude play and evaluate his body of work on its merits after the fact? What is the point of setting expectations up front?

Because of the draft capital we used

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

You must have missed the part where NY said for his 1st season…. Not his career. And said 4000 total yards 30+ touchdowns.

You're overthinking it man.

I don't want a QB who has to run for 20% of his yardage production and 40% of his touchdown production because he's not a very good passer, not from the #3 pick and multiple 1st's to get him. Could have gotten that much later in the draft and kept the rest of our picks.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

First of all, Hurts was a better player overall than the guy Trey is replacing, so if Trey did put up a season similar to Hurts then that would represent an improvement. It doesn't matter when Jalen Hurts was picked, but you're the one that acts like it does.

Second, whether Trey was worth the price or not is not dependent on the outcome of this single season. That's something that can only be truly evaluated after Trey's career here is over or at least not for another few years. If Trey plays at Jalen Hurts level this year, that's not a disappointment. If he's still doing it when he's a 6 year veteran, that would be disappointing.

It's telling that you're calling Hurts a better "player" than a better "quarterback" than Jimmy. I wonder why that is?

The Trey apologists (which are the Jimmy haters) are working overtime to get their defense for him ready lol. Pathetic.

I will root for Trey and I hope he does really well and leads us to a Super Bowl. If he performs worse than Jimmy and/or the team doesn't go as far, it will be a disappointment. Anyone saying otherwise is just exposing themself as an irrational Jimmy hater. This is a Super Bowl ready team, we're not in rebuild mode. If we were, then expectations could be tempered of course.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

You must have missed the part where NY said for his 1st season…. Not his career. And said 4000 total yards 30+ touchdowns.

You're overthinking it man.

I don't want a QB who has to run for 20% of his yardage production and 40% of his touchdown production because he's not a very good passer, not from the #3 pick and multiple 1st's to get him. Could have gotten that much later in the draft and kept the rest of our picks.

Those picks are likely to be bottom of the 1st, which are a gamble anyways. So to keep harping on giving up those picks, as though they would have been sure fire Pro Bowlers is almost as ridiculous as thinking Lance has to have a Pro Bowl season his 1st season as starter.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Those picks are likely to be bottom of the 1st, which are a gamble anyways. So to keep harping on giving up those picks, as though they would have been sure fire Pro Bowlers is almost as ridiculous as thinking Lance has to have a Pro Bowl season his 1st season as starter.

I like what you are talking about right here

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Are you guys saying we should expect just as much out of a 3rd rounder as a 3rd total pick? One that we spent 3 first rounders on?! Expectations should be exactly the same?

I don't think anyone is saying that. It just doesn't make sense to say that a player is disappointing for only matching the stats of someone who was drafted much later when that player is an outlier for their draft position. If Lance has the same career as Tom Brady, are we going to say he was a disappointment for only matching the accomplishments of a 6th round pick?

This is getting absolutely absurd. Hurts did not have anywhere near a hall of fame type season, as Brady did his career. So that's a stupid comparison. Hurts was okay last year, nothing great. It's a VERY low bar for Trey who was drafted #3 overall and took two other firsts to get him. That's a lot of draft capital, and we're moving on from a QB who got us to the Super Bowl and NFCCG - so the expectations are high. A season like Hurts had last year would be disappointing unless the team goes deep in the playoffs.

First of all, Hurts was a better player overall than the guy Trey is replacing, so if Trey did put up a season similar to Hurts then that would represent an improvement. It doesn't matter when Jalen Hurts was picked, but you're the one that acts like it does.

Second, whether Trey was worth the price or not is not dependent on the outcome of this single season. That's something that can only be truly evaluated after Trey's career here is over or at least not for another few years. If Trey plays at Jalen Hurts level this year, that's not a disappointment. If he's still doing it when he's a 6 year veteran, that would be disappointing.

It's telling that you're calling Hurts a better "player" than a better "quarterback" than Jimmy. I wonder why that is?

The Trey apologists (which are the Jimmy haters) are working overtime to get their defense for him ready lol. Pathetic.

I will root for Trey and I hope he does really well and leads us to a Super Bowl. If he performs worse than Jimmy and/or the team doesn't go as far, it will be a disappointment. Anyone saying otherwise is just exposing themself as an irrational Jimmy hater. This is a Super Bowl ready team, we're not in rebuild mode. If we were, then expectations could be tempered of course.

No, you won't. You wouldn't be on here spending hours measuring the degree of wobble on Trey's passes if you were rooting for him. You're bitter that Jimmy wasn't good enough and got criticized for it and now you're taking it out on his replacement. The next several years of 49ers football are going to be miserable for you if you don't get over it.