Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I wanted playoffs. But if the season is a throw away for Lance development then I want those wins you listed but include the Raiders game. I don't want to hear my cousins talk s**t. They already talk enough s**t about Lance being a waste of draft picks and a bust that I wouldn't be able to handle a loss to them. Might end up in county lol

LOL

I don't care if you said "if." This is a ridiculous thing to say after 1 game in a rainstorm.

Which part of what he said is ridiculous? Seems pretty level-headed to me. We could end up in the Super Bowl. We could end up 7-10, in which case this would be considered a developmental year, no? He could have posted that at any single point of the offseason and it be applicable.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
its crazy to see how many people have already given up on this dude with his 3 total starts in the NFL, one of them being in a monsoon. we have the most irrational fanbase in the league. give the dude a chance, its going to be funny seeing all of you gushing about Trey and buying his jersey by the end of the year

I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Originally posted by Crown:
I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Those teams didn't get to championship game the year before.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Crown:
I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Those teams didn't get to championship game the year before.

Yup. Those teams were not lucky enough to stumble into the championship game the year before.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
its crazy to see how many people have already given up on this dude with his 3 total starts in the NFL, one of them being in a monsoon. we have the most irrational fanbase in the league. give the dude a chance, its going to be funny seeing all of you gushing about Trey and buying his jersey by the end of the year

I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Or yeah probably the rookie year of most, or at least a lot of rookie quarterbacks. Some guys under these rules today come in and play pretty well right away like Burrow and Herbert. And that is one of the things. It's a big leap but it's probably easier for a rookie quarterback to succeed today than it was in their day.

Guarantee and it probably doesn't even need to be said but what frustrates people is that they see a good team to be playoffs at minimum. Manning and Aikman as both number one overall picks coming in to teams that were 3-13. Trey is coming in and taking over a team that was very close to another Super Bowl appearance.

And the thing is as rough as people were with Jimmy it was always going to create a situation in which people were always waiting to pounce on his replacement. That's just the way these things go. Shouldn't be unexpected.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Crown:
I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Those teams didn't get to championship game the year before.

Yup. Those teams were not lucky enough to stumble into the championship game the year before.

Lol... well the Rams had their share of lucky breaks to get a Super Bowl.

Don't get me wrong. Great collection of players that they bought/traded for and some they drafted.

I was actually misremembering some things due to my work schedule and the time that's passed. I had thought that Tampa Bay had a big lead and turned the ball over a bunch and of course it was the other way around. But the Rams definitely tried to give every bit of that game away and back to Brady. And we all remember a dropped pick in the NFC Championship game.

They took advantage of their opportunities to an extent and won sure. But they definitely also had some luck at times. That's football/sports.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Finished the Niners' film. 49ers absolutely, clearly, 100% DO NOT have a Lance problem. He had some rough plays, some great ones. Fine debut.

They DO have an iOL problem. Constant interior pressure. Missed blocks in running game. Lance's legs saved them from an even worse day. https://t.co/2mmnzycxlM

— Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) September 12, 2022

Nickel and dime the OL, you get nickel and dime results.

Before the OL at least did a good job run blocking at the cost of subpar pass blocking. Yesterday they did neither well.

Yeah the center position is a problem. I blame Forester (and Kyle) for thinking you could toss in a UDFA with not much experience next to basically two rookies and the youngest QB in the league. In what world did they think that was a recipe for success?

Wow. I totally didn't expect to read this today.

Or ever. He finally saw the light and joined the dark side.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Crown:
I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Those teams didn't get to championship game the year before.

Yup. Those teams were not lucky enough to stumble into the championship game the year before.

Lol... well the Rams had their share of lucky breaks to get a Super Bowl.

Don't get me wrong. Great collection of players that they bought/traded for and some they drafted.

I was actually misremembering some things due to my work schedule and the time that's passed. I had thought that Tampa Bay had a big lead and turned the ball over a bunch and of course it was the other way around. But the Rams definitely tried to give every bit of that game away and back to Brady. And we all remember a dropped pick in the NFC Championship game.

They took advantage of their opportunities to an extent and won sure. But they definitely also had some luck at times. That's football/sports.

Folks are so worried about the offense being the reason for why we don't get back to the championship because of an inexperienced QB. The problem I have with such a thought process is that the offense averaged 15 ppg in the playoffs and only averaged 25 ppg in the regular season. Its not as if the offense carried this team last year. If it were not for a low IQ play by Dak in DAL and a rare punt block for a TD in GB, we would have not even made it to the championship game.

Originally posted by Heed49er:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Unfortunately a large number of this fanbase is made up of complete derps. I checked out the Bears official FB page right after the game to see what their fans had to say. I scrolled through hundreds of comments, and never found a single one saying that Lance sucked, Fields is better, the 49ers sucked, anything. Most of the comments were focused on how bad the Bears looked for most of the game, and that they got bailed out by us shooting ourselves in the foot.

Imagine scrolling Facebook looking for drunken, trash talking comments bashing the opposing team and finding none. Not all fanbases are equally football savvy. For the rich history the 49ers fans have to reflect on, we get so many embarrassing and short sighted takes.

Webzone Forum =/= Facebook Fan Forum

Anonymity is a hell of a thing.

Have you been on Facebook? Its way worse than this forum. On the Zone you get a warning just for calling someone dumb.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Crown:
I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Those teams didn't get to championship game the year before.

Yup. Those teams were not lucky enough to stumble into the championship game the year before.

Both of those QBs had stellar college careers and started for 3 or 4 years. They were much more polished than Trey which is why I wanted to see him get more snaps in certain games last season and again in the preseason. You can see that the talent is there but it need a lot of development.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Finished the Niners' film. 49ers absolutely, clearly, 100% DO NOT have a Lance problem. He had some rough plays, some great ones. Fine debut.

They DO have an iOL problem. Constant interior pressure. Missed blocks in running game. Lance's legs saved them from an even worse day. https://t.co/2mmnzycxlM

— Benjamin Solak (@BenjaminSolak) September 12, 2022

Nickel and dime the OL, you get nickel and dime results.

Before the OL at least did a good job run blocking at the cost of subpar pass blocking. Yesterday they did neither well.

Yeah the center position is a problem. I blame Forester (and Kyle) for thinking you could toss in a UDFA with not much experience next to basically two rookies and the youngest QB in the league. In what world did they think that was a recipe for success?

Wow. I totally didn't expect to read this today.

Or ever. He finally saw the light and joined the dark side.

But the thing is with that weakness unless Trey is mentally made of everything they hope, they will have a Trey Lance problem. Because he will either be injured or become so naturally skittish that he'll be seeing Sam Darnold's ghosts, so to speak, when there aren't even any there.

Yeah what's directly in front of him isn't sustainable. Not without those guys getting a lot better. Burford might be okay and hopefully Banks will be. Brendel is a problem at the moment.

Call it Jimmy's contract. Call it too many traded picks for Lance. Call it an oversight but that at least is a failure by Kyle and Lynch the way they set that whole thing up.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Crown:
I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Those teams didn't get to championship game the year before.

Yup. Those teams were not lucky enough to stumble into the championship game the year before.

Both of those QBs had stellar college careers and started for 3 or 4 years. They were much more polished than Trey which is why I wanted to see him get more snaps in certain games last season and again in the preseason. You can see that the talent is there but it need a lot of development.

Agreed. Trey needs to go through the growing pains so that he can develop. Calling for him to be benched because we supposedly have a "championship caliber team" will only hinder his development and hurt our future at the position.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Crown:
I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Those teams didn't get to championship game the year before.

Yup. Those teams were not lucky enough to stumble into the championship game the year before.

Both of those QBs had stellar college careers and started for 3 or 4 years. They were much more polished than Trey which is why I wanted to see him get more snaps in certain games last season and again in the preseason. You can see that the talent is there but it need a lot of development.

True Manning in particular was one of the very few pro ready not many questions at all prospects at the position that we've seen. In recent years he, Andrew Luck, and they say Trevor Lawrence fit that mold off the top of my head.

I was never 100% convinced on Lawrence and still am not yet. Bad situation for him as well but then obviously Peyton and Troy stepped into bad situations. So did Luck although they actually tried to help him as much as they possibly could the year he was drafted.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Crown:
I would encourage people to look up Peyton Manning or Troy aikmans first year.

Those teams didn't get to championship game the year before.

Yup. Those teams were not lucky enough to stumble into the championship game the year before.

Both of those QBs had stellar college careers and started for 3 or 4 years. They were much more polished than Trey which is why I wanted to see him get more snaps in certain games last season and again in the preseason. You can see that the talent is there but it need a lot of development.

Agreed. Trey needs to go through the growing pains so that he can develop. Calling for him to be benched because we supposedly have a "championship caliber team" will only hinder his development and hurt our future at the position.

I think what's an oddball here though is again that lack of college experience. At least when the Chiefs made the transition from a competent QB to a potential star the potential star had a lot of college experience and at a reasonably high level in the Big 12. I say reasonably high because that conference isn't known for its defenses.

That's why it will always be a headscratcher to me that we went with Trey and made the transition so quickly. I mean it happened so I'm down. Doesn't mean I completely get it. It does reek of Kyle's grand experiment that we hope works.

excited to see Trey respond to the loss, as well as his first back to back start. I believe in this kid