Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Going through advanced stats and nothing really stood out. Air Yards the most important stat in sports history ever by far and it's not even close, he was bottom half. A 9 aDot which literally means nothing. Time to throw before pressure he had a little under 3 seconds which was tied for 2nd most. Actual time to throw the ball he was bottom 10. He was only hurried 4 times which was average. He had 9 bad passes which was tied for 1st.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#expectedCompletionPercentage
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

i have no time for anyone to use the weather as an excuse

I agree.

He played poorly in the first half with no rain and great field position. All empty excuses.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by kezarvet49:
You obviously have no clue as to evaluating QBs if you think JG is anything but a 4th quarter choker. The NFL playoffs have had 72 signal callers. Of those 72, jimmy Garoppolo is rated #72 in history with the lowest passer rating of them all. 1.28. Based on that which is his true performance history, he should never be on the field in the 4th quarter. Have a nice day.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=GaroJi00

Edit: oh you meant 4th quarter… nevermind. Jimmy's had some good 4th quarters. Never in the playoffs though.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

That's true.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

That's true.

Yeah Fields was lighting the world on fire.

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

That's true.

Yeah Fields was lighting the world on fire.

Fields was going against supposedly one of the best defenses in the nfl. Lance was going against the Bears d.

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

That's true.

Yeah Fields was lighting the world on fire.

Here are the facts:
FIELDS sucked most of the game. Here are the facts:
Rushing yards: 49ers 176 (Lance 54 yds) Bears 99 (Fields 28 yds)
Passing yards: 49ers 155 Bears 105
Yards per play: 49ers 4.9 Bears 3.6
Total yards: 49ers 331 Bears 204
Turnovers and penalties: 49ers 3 and 12/99 Bears 1 and 3/24

Trey Lance will he fine.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
The upcoming Seahawks game will go a long way to telling us what the season may be like. The "learning on the fly" narrative will only last so long. The weather cannot be used as an excuse for the poor first-half performance. Nor can we take solace in the fact he had some good runs. He was drafted to play QB better than Jimmy G, not to be another Cam Newton. The rest of the Super Bowl-ready roster will not be very happy if that learning experience extends into the Settle game and beyond. Not only will Lance lose favor with the roster, but Shanahan will lose favor as well if he stays with an ineffective QB at the expense of losing a potential home-field advantage in the playoffs.

OTOH, we can be encouraged if Lance can eliminate the most glaring mistakes like the Kroft overthrow. There was no excuse for that one. As Steve Young said, success will be measured in week-to-week improvement. As of now, Lance has plenty of room to improve. He needs to get to the point where he plays the game naturally rather than appearing to be playing like a robot at times.

Improvement will be incremental with dips along the way, so the path of development won't be linear. I do think his lack of experience in college throwing the ball will have an effect in how he looks to start this year. He needs to stop staring down his first read.

I certainly agree. As to how that works with the team we won't know until it happens. I think this is a 14-3 team if he can play at roughly the same level as a healthy JG. I picked 10-7 before Deebo resigned. 11-6 after. I'm still at the same point.

Originally posted by kezarvet49:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

That's true.

Yeah Fields was lighting the world on fire.

Here are the facts:
FIELDS sucked most of the game. Here are the facts:
Rushing yards: 49ers 176 (Lance 54 yds) Bears 99 (Fields 28 yds)
Passing yards: 49ers 155 Bears 105
Yards per play: 49ers 4.9 Bears 3.6
Total yards: 49ers 331 Bears 204
Turnovers and penalties: 49ers 3 and 12/99 Bears 1 and 3/24

Trey Lance will he fine.

I think the key is KS needs help in the 4th qtr. We need players to rise up in winning time and win us the game. Fields, St. Brown, Herbert, Jackson were the ones who did it week 1.. and they are all wearing the wrong uniform. We need 49ers players to rise up. I can't think of anyone who made a 4th qtr play when we needed it the most. I'll be looking for this next week from all our guys, TL included.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
How long is his rope, 3 games, 5 games, the whole season?

The whole season.

I'm not ready to give up on Trey after only one start.

We all knew there would be growing pains and, if there's someone to blame for the terrible mismanagement of the QB situation and the issues with the Offense, that's Kyle Shanahan.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

The 49ers had an average starting field position from their 28 yard line. For the bears it was an average from their 27 yard line. Not really much of a difference. One of those great starting field positions the 49ers had early in the game was wiped away by a Deebo fumble in the redzone. The second half of the game, the bears actually had a better average starting field position.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
How long is his rope, 3 games, 5 games, the whole season?

The whole season.

I'm not ready to give up on Trey after only one start.

We all knew there would be growing pains and, if there's someone to blame for the terrible mismanagement of the QB situation and the issues with the Offense, that's Kyle Shanahan.

Realistically teams that start 0-2 only make the playoffs 12% of the time. If you start 0-3 then it's 3%

If he's going to get more than next week you might as well giv him yh season because it's lost.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
The upcoming Seahawks game will go a long way to telling us what the season may be like. The "learning on the fly" narrative will only last so long. The weather cannot be used as an excuse for the poor first-half performance. Nor can we take solace in the fact he had some good runs. He was drafted to play QB better than Jimmy G, not to be another Cam Newton. The rest of the Super Bowl-ready roster will not be very happy if that learning experience extends into the Settle game and beyond. Not only will Lance lose favor with the roster, but Shanahan will lose favor as well if he stays with an ineffective QB at the expense of losing a potential home-field advantage in the playoffs.

OTOH, we can be encouraged if Lance can eliminate the most glaring mistakes like the Kroft overthrow. There was no excuse for that one. As Steve Young said, success will be measured in week-to-week improvement. As of now, Lance has plenty of room to improve. He needs to get to the point where he plays the game naturally rather than appearing to be playing like a robot at times.

Improvement will be incremental with dips along the way, so the path of development won't be linear. I do think his lack of experience in college throwing the ball will have an effect in how he looks to start this year. He needs to stop staring down his first read.

I certainly agree. As to how that works with the team we won't know until it happens. I think this is a 14-3 team if he can play at roughly the same level as a healthy JG. I picked 10-7 before Deebo resigned. 11-6 after. I'm still at the same point.

I finished watching the tape this morning. There's definitely some weird takes out there, especially on twitter and from people who, "watched the tape". Saw one guy, who I was actually on his podcast last year, say Lance had, "zero bad decisions". Well, he definitely had some bad decisions. It's going to be a lot of swinging back and forth as he figures out the NFL. For example, and I'll show it in my video later today. Early on he missed a 3rd down conversion throw to Deebo on a sucker concept vs Tampa2. Just didn't anticipate it and took the short throw for a 4th down. Later, against a soft C2 he tried to hit Deebo on the DIG on another sucker concept but this time the defense was playing a lot softer and he nearly threw a pick.

That shows he's seeing the mistake from earlier, trying to correct it but not identifying how the defense is playing differently.

Bear in mind, this is tough stuff to process all the data they're seeing in less than 3 seconds and react. I like that he's seeing it on the sideline and trying to correct. But he's going to be learning a lot this way. Mistake, react, mistake, react. Work it in until he's seen it and experienced it a lot. That's why I always chuckle at the, "Jimmy is an 8 year vet making these mistakes" but then saying Lance not playing last year did nothing. Well, which is it, do years not playing count and help or don't they? It was always going to be a process for Lance.

What I like right now is that he's gotten over the hurdle of knowing and being comfortable with the nomenclature, the playbook and the "book" knowledge. So, now it's time to go learn how to read and react.