Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
The upcoming Seahawks game will go a long way to telling us what the season may be like. The "learning on the fly" narrative will only last so long. The weather cannot be used as an excuse for the poor first-half performance. Nor can we take solace in the fact he had some good runs. He was drafted to play QB better than Jimmy G, not to be another Cam Newton. The rest of the Super Bowl-ready roster will not be very happy if that learning experience extends into the Settle game and beyond. Not only will Lance lose favor with the roster, but Shanahan will lose favor as well if he stays with an ineffective QB at the expense of losing a potential home-field advantage in the playoffs.

OTOH, we can be encouraged if Lance can eliminate the most glaring mistakes like the Kroft overthrow. There was no excuse for that one. As Steve Young said, success will be measured in week-to-week improvement. As of now, Lance has plenty of room to improve. He needs to get to the point where he plays the game naturally rather than appearing to be playing like a robot at times.

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Improvement will be incremental with dips along the way, so the path of development won't be linear. I do think his lack of experience in college throwing the ball will have an effect in how he looks to start this year. He needs to stop staring down his first read.

I certainly agree. As to how that works with the team we won't know until it happens. I think this is a 14-3 team if he can play at roughly the same level as a healthy JG. I picked 10-7 before Deebo resigned. 11-6 after. I'm still at the same point.

I finished watching the tape this morning. There's definitely some weird takes out there, especially on twitter and from people who, "watched the tape". Saw one guy, who I was actually on his podcast last year, say Lance had, "zero bad decisions". Well, he definitely had some bad decisions. It's going to be a lot of swinging back and forth as he figures out the NFL. For example, and I'll show it in my video later today. Early on he missed a 3rd down conversion throw to Deebo on a sucker concept vs Tampa2. Just didn't anticipate it and took the short throw for a 4th down. Later, against a soft C2 he tried to hit Deebo on the DIG on another sucker concept but this time the defense was playing a lot softer and he nearly threw a pick.

That shows he's seeing the mistake from earlier, trying to correct it but not identifying how the defense is playing differently.

Bear in mind, this is tough stuff to process all the data they're seeing in less than 3 seconds and react. I like that he's seeing it on the sideline and trying to correct. But he's going to be learning a lot this way. Mistake, react, mistake, react. Work it in until he's seen it and experienced it a lot. That's why I always chuckle at the, "Jimmy is an 8 year vet making these mistakes" but then saying Lance not playing last year did nothing. Well, which is it, do years not playing count and help or don't they? It was always going to be a process for Lance.

What I like right now is that he's gotten over the hurdle of knowing and being comfortable with the nomenclature, the playbook and the "book" knowledge. So, now it's time to go learn how to read and react.

If you can, show how using his eyes to move the underneath defenders could have helped. I know that takes polish and Lance isn't there yet, but if teams zone up against him, he'll need to quickly get accustomed to doing this.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
How long is his rope, 3 games, 5 games, the whole season?

The whole season.

I'm not ready to give up on Trey after only one start.

We all knew there would be growing pains and, if there's someone to blame for the terrible mismanagement of the QB situation and the issues with the Offense, that's Kyle Shanahan.

Realistically teams that start 0-2 only make the playoffs 12% of the time. If you start 0-3 then it's 3%

If he's going to get more than next week you might as well giv him yh season because it's lost.

Season is never lost 3 games in. Lol. Walk into the locker room and tell any team after 3 weeks the season is over. There are still 14 more games at that point. You can stop watching.. if that's your thing. But no season is lost after 3 games.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Realistically teams that start 0-2 only make the playoffs 12% of the time. If you start 0-3 then it's 3%

If he's going to get more than next week you might as well giv him yh season because it's lost.

I imagine these stats dont apply anymore because its no longer a 16 game season.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

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That's true.

Yeah Fields was lighting the world on fire.

Fields was going against supposedly one of the best defenses in the nfl. Lance was going against the Bears d.

Bears D looked just fine.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Realistically teams that start 0-2 only make the playoffs 12% of the time. If you start 0-3 then it's 3%

If he's going to get more than next week you might as well giv him yh season because it's lost.

I imagine these stats dont apply anymore because its no longer a 16 game season.

Here's coach weighing in on the subject

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

That's true.

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Yeah Fields was lighting the world on fire.

Fields was going against supposedly one of the best defenses in the nfl. Lance was going against the Bears d.

Bears D looked just fine.

Or was the 49er offense and Lance just that trash? The Bears are supposed to be the worst team in the NFL, remember?

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I finished watching the tape this morning. There's definitely some weird takes out there, especially on twitter and from people who, "watched the tape". Saw one guy, who I was actually on his podcast last year, say Lance had, "zero bad decisions". Well, he definitely had some bad decisions. It's going to be a lot of swinging back and forth as he figures out the NFL. For example, and I'll show it in my video later today. Early on he missed a 3rd down conversion throw to Deebo on a sucker concept vs Tampa2. Just didn't anticipate it and took the short throw for a 4th down. Later, against a soft C2 he tried to hit Deebo on the DIG on another sucker concept but this time the defense was playing a lot softer and he nearly threw a pick.

That shows he's seeing the mistake from earlier, trying to correct it but not identifying how the defense is playing differently.

Bear in mind, this is tough stuff to process all the data they're seeing in less than 3 seconds and react. I like that he's seeing it on the sideline and trying to correct. But he's going to be learning a lot this way. Mistake, react, mistake, react. Work it in until he's seen it and experienced it a lot. That's why I always chuckle at the, "Jimmy is an 8 year vet making these mistakes" but then saying Lance not playing last year did nothing. Well, which is it, do years not playing count and help or don't they? It was always going to be a process for Lance.

What I like right now is that he's gotten over the hurdle of knowing and being comfortable with the nomenclature, the playbook and the "book" knowledge. So, now it's time to go learn how to read and react.

the truth lies in the middle.

Was he good? hell no. He did what he could given the conditions and didn't play well.

Was he solely to blame for the loss? also hell no. Plenty of blame to go around here and I'm seeing a lot of garbage takes here giving him sole responsibility for that loss simply cause they didn't want him drafted and that clouds any reasoning they have at looking at the game, and Lance objectively.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Realistically teams that start 0-2 only make the playoffs 12% of the time. If you start 0-3 then it's 3%

If he's going to get more than next week you might as well giv him yh season because it's lost.

I imagine these stats dont apply anymore because its no longer a 16 game season.

Here's coach weighing in on the subject

So if we're 0-3 then you guys think we should pull lance with only a 3% chance to make the playoffs?

You might as well just keep him in there.

I think statistically you have to think about it if we're 0-2. That decision has to be made that week or you might as well just take his lumps and keep him in there regardless.

I really do not think Lance is the problem though. It's a shanahan problem. The offense looks the same whether it's lance or Jimmy in there. The epic collapses are the same. It's a shanahan problem not a QB problem.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I finished watching the tape this morning. There's definitely some weird takes out there, especially on twitter and from people who, "watched the tape". Saw one guy, who I was actually on his podcast last year, say Lance had, "zero bad decisions". Well, he definitely had some bad decisions. It's going to be a lot of swinging back and forth as he figures out the NFL. For example, and I'll show it in my video later today. Early on he missed a 3rd down conversion throw to Deebo on a sucker concept vs Tampa2. Just didn't anticipate it and took the short throw for a 4th down. Later, against a soft C2 he tried to hit Deebo on the DIG on another sucker concept but this time the defense was playing a lot softer and he nearly threw a pick.

That shows he's seeing the mistake from earlier, trying to correct it but not identifying how the defense is playing differently.

Bear in mind, this is tough stuff to process all the data they're seeing in less than 3 seconds and react. I like that he's seeing it on the sideline and trying to correct. But he's going to be learning a lot this way. Mistake, react, mistake, react. Work it in until he's seen it and experienced it a lot. That's why I always chuckle at the, "Jimmy is an 8 year vet making these mistakes" but then saying Lance not playing last year did nothing. Well, which is it, do years not playing count and help or don't they? It was always going to be a process for Lance.

What I like right now is that he's gotten over the hurdle of knowing and being comfortable with the nomenclature, the playbook and the "book" knowledge. So, now it's time to go learn how to read and react.

Looking forward to the breakdown!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
The upcoming Seahawks game will go a long way to telling us what the season may be like. The "learning on the fly" narrative will only last so long. The weather cannot be used as an excuse for the poor first-half performance. Nor can we take solace in the fact he had some good runs. He was drafted to play QB better than Jimmy G, not to be another Cam Newton. The rest of the Super Bowl-ready roster will not be very happy if that learning experience extends into the Settle game and beyond. Not only will Lance lose favor with the roster, but Shanahan will lose favor as well if he stays with an ineffective QB at the expense of losing a potential home-field advantage in the playoffs.

OTOH, we can be encouraged if Lance can eliminate the most glaring mistakes like the Kroft overthrow. There was no excuse for that one. As Steve Young said, success will be measured in week-to-week improvement. As of now, Lance has plenty of room to improve. He needs to get to the point where he plays the game naturally rather than appearing to be playing like a robot at times.

Improvement will be incremental with dips along the way, so the path of development won't be linear. I do think his lack of experience in college throwing the ball will have an effect in how he looks to start this year. He needs to stop staring down his first read.

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I certainly agree. As to how that works with the team we won't know until it happens. I think this is a 14-3 team if he can play at roughly the same level as a healthy JG. I picked 10-7 before Deebo resigned. 11-6 after. I'm still at the same point.

I finished watching the tape this morning. There's definitely some weird takes out there, especially on twitter and from people who, "watched the tape". Saw one guy, who I was actually on his podcast last year, say Lance had, "zero bad decisions". Well, he definitely had some bad decisions. It's going to be a lot of swinging back and forth as he figures out the NFL. For example, and I'll show it in my video later today. Early on he missed a 3rd down conversion throw to Deebo on a sucker concept vs Tampa2. Just didn't anticipate it and took the short throw for a 4th down. Later, against a soft C2 he tried to hit Deebo on the DIG on another sucker concept but this time the defense was playing a lot softer and he nearly threw a pick.

That shows he's seeing the mistake from earlier, trying to correct it but not identifying how the defense is playing differently.

Bear in mind, this is tough stuff to process all the data they're seeing in less than 3 seconds and react. I like that he's seeing it on the sideline and trying to correct. But he's going to be learning a lot this way. Mistake, react, mistake, react. Work it in until he's seen it and experienced it a lot. That's why I always chuckle at the, "Jimmy is an 8 year vet making these mistakes" but then saying Lance not playing last year did nothing. Well, which is it, do years not playing count and help or don't they? It was always going to be a process for Lance.

What I like right now is that he's gotten over the hurdle of knowing and being comfortable with the nomenclature, the playbook and the "book" knowledge. So, now it's time to go learn how to read and react.

If you can, show how using his eyes to move the underneath defenders could have helped. I know that takes polish and Lance isn't there yet, but if teams zone up against him, he'll need to quickly get accustomed to doing this.

I think that's something he'll get to, but you can see he's just trying to process all the data right now. IMO, that might be a little lofty to expect that of him at this juncture. It took Mahomes like 3 years to start doing that.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
The upcoming Seahawks game will go a long way to telling us what the season may be like. The "learning on the fly" narrative will only last so long. The weather cannot be used as an excuse for the poor first-half performance. Nor can we take solace in the fact he had some good runs. He was drafted to play QB better than Jimmy G, not to be another Cam Newton. The rest of the Super Bowl-ready roster will not be very happy if that learning experience extends into the Settle game and beyond. Not only will Lance lose favor with the roster, but Shanahan will lose favor as well if he stays with an ineffective QB at the expense of losing a potential home-field advantage in the playoffs.

OTOH, we can be encouraged if Lance can eliminate the most glaring mistakes like the Kroft overthrow. There was no excuse for that one. As Steve Young said, success will be measured in week-to-week improvement. As of now, Lance has plenty of room to improve. He needs to get to the point where he plays the game naturally rather than appearing to be playing like a robot at times.

Improvement will be incremental with dips along the way, so the path of development won't be linear. I do think his lack of experience in college throwing the ball will have an effect in how he looks to start this year. He needs to stop staring down his first read.

I certainly agree. As to how that works with the team we won't know until it happens. I think this is a 14-3 team if he can play at roughly the same level as a healthy JG. I picked 10-7 before Deebo resigned. 11-6 after. I'm still at the same point.

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I finished watching the tape this morning. There's definitely some weird takes out there, especially on twitter and from people who, "watched the tape". Saw one guy, who I was actually on his podcast last year, say Lance had, "zero bad decisions". Well, he definitely had some bad decisions. It's going to be a lot of swinging back and forth as he figures out the NFL. For example, and I'll show it in my video later today. Early on he missed a 3rd down conversion throw to Deebo on a sucker concept vs Tampa2. Just didn't anticipate it and took the short throw for a 4th down. Later, against a soft C2 he tried to hit Deebo on the DIG on another sucker concept but this time the defense was playing a lot softer and he nearly threw a pick.

That shows he's seeing the mistake from earlier, trying to correct it but not identifying how the defense is playing differently.

Bear in mind, this is tough stuff to process all the data they're seeing in less than 3 seconds and react. I like that he's seeing it on the sideline and trying to correct. But he's going to be learning a lot this way. Mistake, react, mistake, react. Work it in until he's seen it and experienced it a lot. That's why I always chuckle at the, "Jimmy is an 8 year vet making these mistakes" but then saying Lance not playing last year did nothing. Well, which is it, do years not playing count and help or don't they? It was always going to be a process for Lance.

What I like right now is that he's gotten over the hurdle of knowing and being comfortable with the nomenclature, the playbook and the "book" knowledge. So, now it's time to go learn how to read and react.

If you can, show how using his eyes to move the underneath defenders could have helped. I know that takes polish and Lance isn't there yet, but if teams zone up against him, he'll need to quickly get accustomed to doing this.

I think that's something he'll get to, but you can see he's just trying to process all the data right now. IMO, that might be a little lofty to expect that of him at this juncture. It took Mahomes like 3 years to start doing that.

I'll give him 3 more quarters

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Bears D looked just fine.

God was their 12th man in the 4th Quarter.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Tr_EXCUSES played in the same weather as Justin Fields. Fields threw touchdowns and won the game. That's the difference. No excuses from him. Just game winning touchdowns.

If only we gained 100 free yards throughout the course of the game also.

If only Lance wasn't trash and could capitalize on the amazing free field position he was given.

That's true.

Yeah Fields was lighting the world on fire.

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Fields was going against supposedly one of the best defenses in the nfl. Lance was going against the Bears d.

Bears D looked just fine.

Or was the 49er offense and Lance just that trash? The Bears are supposed to be the worst team in the NFL, remember?

I'm pretty sure the Browns, Texans, Jaugars, Jets, Falcons, and Commanders all have an argument to be worse than the Bears. They are no juggernaut, but the worst? Nah.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
The upcoming Seahawks game will go a long way to telling us what the season may be like. The "learning on the fly" narrative will only last so long. The weather cannot be used as an excuse for the poor first-half performance. Nor can we take solace in the fact he had some good runs. He was drafted to play QB better than Jimmy G, not to be another Cam Newton. The rest of the Super Bowl-ready roster will not be very happy if that learning experience extends into the Settle game and beyond. Not only will Lance lose favor with the roster, but Shanahan will lose favor as well if he stays with an ineffective QB at the expense of losing a potential home-field advantage in the playoffs.

OTOH, we can be encouraged if Lance can eliminate the most glaring mistakes like the Kroft overthrow. There was no excuse for that one. As Steve Young said, success will be measured in week-to-week improvement. As of now, Lance has plenty of room to improve. He needs to get to the point where he plays the game naturally rather than appearing to be playing like a robot at times.

Improvement will be incremental with dips along the way, so the path of development won't be linear. I do think his lack of experience in college throwing the ball will have an effect in how he looks to start this year. He needs to stop staring down his first read.

I certainly agree. As to how that works with the team we won't know until it happens. I think this is a 14-3 team if he can play at roughly the same level as a healthy JG. I picked 10-7 before Deebo resigned. 11-6 after. I'm still at the same point.

I finished watching the tape this morning. There's definitely some weird takes out there, especially on twitter and from people who, "watched the tape". Saw one guy, who I was actually on his podcast last year, say Lance had, "zero bad decisions". Well, he definitely had some bad decisions. It's going to be a lot of swinging back and forth as he figures out the NFL. For example, and I'll show it in my video later today. Early on he missed a 3rd down conversion throw to Deebo on a sucker concept vs Tampa2. Just didn't anticipate it and took the short throw for a 4th down. Later, against a soft C2 he tried to hit Deebo on the DIG on another sucker concept but this time the defense was playing a lot softer and he nearly threw a pick.

That shows he's seeing the mistake from earlier, trying to correct it but not identifying how the defense is playing differently.

Bear in mind, this is tough stuff to process all the data they're seeing in less than 3 seconds and react. I like that he's seeing it on the sideline and trying to correct. But he's going to be learning a lot this way. Mistake, react, mistake, react. Work it in until he's seen it and experienced it a lot. That's why I always chuckle at the, "Jimmy is an 8 year vet making these mistakes" but then saying Lance not playing last year did nothing. Well, which is it, do years not playing count and help or don't they? It was always going to be a process for Lance.

What I like right now is that he's gotten over the hurdle of knowing and being comfortable with the nomenclature, the playbook and the "book" knowledge. So, now it's time to go learn how to read and react.

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If you can, show how using his eyes to move the underneath defenders could have helped. I know that takes polish and Lance isn't there yet, but if teams zone up against him, he'll need to quickly get accustomed to doing this.

I think that's something he'll get to, but you can see he's just trying to process all the data right now. IMO, that might be a little lofty to expect that of him at this juncture. It took Mahomes like 3 years to start doing that.

I'll give him 3 more quarters

screw you, hater.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Realistically teams that start 0-2 only make the playoffs 12% of the time. If you start 0-3 then it's 3%

If he's going to get more than next week you might as well giv him yh season because it's lost.

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I imagine these stats dont apply anymore because its no longer a 16 game season.

Here's coach weighing in on the subject

So if we're 0-3 then you guys think we should pull lance with only a 3% chance to make the playoffs?

You might as well just keep him in there.

I think statistically you have to think about it if we're 0-2. That decision has to be made that week or you might as well just take his lumps and keep him in there regardless.

I really do not think Lance is the problem though. It's a shanahan problem. The offense looks the same whether it's lance or Jimmy in there. The epic collapses are the same. It's a shanahan problem not a QB problem.

I like coaches reaction here cuz he lived the game. He's been on the sidelines and in the locker room and he respects the game no doubt. I get the vibe from him he feels it is disrespectful and a common fan overreaction to say season is over after 1 game 2 games or 3 games. I would agree.

I agree with you if TL doesn't work out that is on KS for taking him, however TL will change the narrative in game 2.