Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Trey will improve in most areas of his game as time goes on. Experience and repetition are what makes men good at whatever craft they're in. My beef with Trey are the things that aren't graphable. I don't think he's a natural leader and I think he's soft. In that muddy, terrible field and weather San Francisco needed someone to play outside of the box score and just make a Super Star play. A number 3 overall pick play... a trade away three first rounders kind of play.

What he's lacking is the IT factor. I don't think it's something you can train at, though, or just get better with over time.

I love discussing IT factor. Many companies have an entire department dedicated to IT.

I thought he was referring to the scary clown

You guys are hilarious!

Whats hilarious is posters making definitive claims about Lance after 3 games.

What you fail to realize is that many of us didn't like Lance prior to the draft for the same reasons we don't like him now. Our biggest fears have been confirmed.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Whats hilarious is posters making definitive claims about Lance after 3 games.

Yep. Doesn't have IT factor or natural leadership based off week 1😂😂😂.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Trey will improve in most areas of his game as time goes on. Experience and repetition are what makes men good at whatever craft they're in. My beef with Trey are the things that aren't graphable. I don't think he's a natural leader and I think he's soft. In that muddy, terrible field and weather San Francisco needed someone to play outside of the box score and just make a Super Star play. A number 3 overall pick play... a trade away three first rounders kind of play.

What he's lacking is the IT factor. I don't think it's something you can train at, though, or just get better with over time.

I love discussing IT factor. Many companies have an entire department dedicated to IT.

I thought he was referring to the scary clown

You guys are hilarious!

If a player is considered to have the IT factor, are there levels to the IT? Do Nick Foles and Eli Manning have more ITness than Brady since their IT was bigger (higher?) than Brady's in the SuperBowl?
I think I know what you mean by IT but the definition can vary per person.

Ehh, I think you're stretching my meaning. Foles had a great supporting cast around him, and Eli was an excellent quarterback and future Hall of Famer.. I would say he definitely had the IT factor. Remember when we lost to them in the playoffs? We were kicking his ass all game and with 49ers draped all over him he eventually made a big throw that eventually got them the lead.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Anyone have the clip of the miss to Kroft?

.@49ers and the Shanny coaching tree have been running this TE Drag/Wheel forever! It's a staple play. A missed opportunity #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/XHYO77M5IL

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) September 12, 2022

Some of these throws seem a bit ticky tacky when it comes to criticism. Take for example the pass down the sideline that Trey threw to Jennings. Everyone says Trey under threw him because Jennings had to turn and wait a split second for it. Then with the play posted above, they say Trey over threw Kroft. If Kroft wouldn't have slowed down and turned but just ran under it, he would have caught it going into the endzone. These things seem more like a timing issue than it does an accuracy issue. Just my thoughts.

Everyone says TL underthrew JJ? I don't. Great throw.

Looking at the Kroft throw and saying anything like it's on Kroft is laughable. TL said postgame it is on him.. that he tried to lead and he should have just put it on him.. in real time it reminded me of the Juice miss vs Titans. You can't lead those guys like they are Danny Gray, slower target just put it on em like he did JJ. TD would be nice.. but if it's a completion and first and goal you at least didn't miss your layup completely. It was a layup.

I bet both players feel like they could have done a better job on that play.

I can call it for what it is. Doesn't mean TL won't be a legend. Just means he missed a layup one time. Good job on the play from Kroft he did everything correct imo.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Which part of what he said is ridiculous? Seems pretty level-headed to me. We could end up in the Super Bowl. We could end up 7-10, in which case this would be considered a developmental year, no? He could have posted that at any single point of the offseason and it be applicable.

Don't mind him. He responds to everyone's post that way.
"LOL Thats a ridiculous posts."

That's his way of saying, "I don't agree" .He just likes to be over the top for dramatic effect. lol

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Whats hilarious is posters making definitive claims about Lance after 3 games.

Yep. Doesn't have IT factor or natural leadership based off week 1😂😂😂.

Lance needs to be up in the gym just working on his ITness.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Anyone have the clip of the miss to Kroft?

.@49ers and the Shanny coaching tree have been running this TE Drag/Wheel forever! It's a staple play. A missed opportunity #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/XHYO77M5IL

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) September 12, 2022

Some of these throws seem a bit ticky tacky when it comes to criticism. Take for example the pass down the sideline that Trey threw to Jennings. Everyone says Trey under threw him because Jennings had to turn and wait a split second for it. Then with the play posted above, they say Trey over threw Kroft. If Kroft wouldn't have slowed down and turned but just ran under it, he would have caught it going into the endzone. These things seem more like a timing issue than it does an accuracy issue. Just my thoughts.

As it turns out, those throws deep down the sideline, wide open or not, are kind of hard to hit. You expect NFL QB's to make them, but it's not a game of perfection. Sometimes overthrows happen.

So you believe they were both accuracy issues as opposed to timing issues?

Hard to say because we're not in the meetings rooms knowing exactly what's being asked. If I had a gun to my head I'd lean to it being a missed throw by the QB in any of those situations. It's like Jimmy said last year when he missed one, "you gotta make the layups". But, it's not like throwing a ball 120 feet down the field, into a relatively small hole is easy. things happen and it's not the reason we lost.

Got you.

Are you going to bless us with a film session this week?

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
What you fail to realize is that many of us didn't like Lance prior to the draft for the same reasons we don't like him now. Our biggest fears have been confirmed.

Thats what I find hilarious. Not everyone loved the pick and expected him to reach the near unattainable ceiling placed upon him. As you said, he really hasn't don't much to sway that thinking.

That said, I don't think he was as bad Sunday as you seem to think he was. But that's just my opinion

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Trey will improve in most areas of his game as time goes on. Experience and repetition are what makes men good at whatever craft they're in. My beef with Trey are the things that aren't graphable. I don't think he's a natural leader and I think he's soft. In that muddy, terrible field and weather San Francisco needed someone to play outside of the box score and just make a Super Star play. A number 3 overall pick play... a trade away three first rounders kind of play.

What he's lacking is the IT factor. I don't think it's something you can train at, though, or just get better with over time.

Ridiculous. Kid was out there running through punishment to get first downs and sustain drives. Far from soft.

Being able to take a hit doesn't make you tough. Neither does panic scrambling for a few years and running through a cornerback on a designed run. Focusing through your pain and making plays despite the situation is what separates those guys. Lance, for all his supposed athleticism, ability to improvise, huge arm and incredible ability to process information couldn't make a play.

Ok what specifically could he have done differently other than not miss Kroft or look off that DB on the INT? I don't know what you are talking about when you say "he's not a natural leader" or "he didn't improvise". You need to provide specific examples, because what I saw he mostly took what the defense gave him in a monsoon.

Not even mad about the miss. That happens to every quarterback. And I can't give you a specific example on when or how he could have been special. It's something special players do when they need. Like when Russ runs around in circles and throws a dime in the back of the endzone.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Whats hilarious is posters making definitive claims about Lance after 3 games.

Yep. Doesn't have IT factor or natural leadership based off week 1😂😂😂.

Lance needs to be up in the gym just working on his ITness.

"Killing is my ITness baby, and ITness is gooood"

Bonus points for anyone who knows the movie.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
What you fail to realize is that many of us didn't like Lance prior to the draft for the same reasons we don't like him now. Our biggest fears have been confirmed.

Thats what I find hilarious. Not everyone loved the pick and expected him to reach the near unattainable ceiling placed upon him. As you said, he really hasn't don't much to sway that thinking.

That said, I don't think he was as bad Sunday as you seem to think he was. But that's just my opinion

Not upset about his missed throws or inaccuracies. That happens, especially in a s**t game where the ball is heavy and you can't get a good grip. I'm just disappointed I didn't get any wow plays out of this supposed transcendent talent. Something that made me say "ok! We got us one!".. I just saw a big guy with an arm who looked a little panicky and had a few good runs.

I did see that from the quarterback on the other side of the field, though. Before everyone replies with the "FIELDS SUCKS HE HAD 100 GIFTED YARDS BLAH BLAH"... I don't care, he made big plays for his team. Lance didn't.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Trey will improve in most areas of his game as time goes on. Experience and repetition are what makes men good at whatever craft they're in. My beef with Trey are the things that aren't graphable. I don't think he's a natural leader and I think he's soft. In that muddy, terrible field and weather San Francisco needed someone to play outside of the box score and just make a Super Star play. A number 3 overall pick play... a trade away three first rounders kind of play.

What he's lacking is the IT factor. I don't think it's something you can train at, though, or just get better with over time.

I love discussing IT factor. Many companies have an entire department dedicated to IT.

I thought he was referring to the scary clown

You guys are hilarious!

If a player is considered to have the IT factor, are there levels to the IT? Do Nick Foles and Eli Manning have more ITness than Brady since their IT was bigger (higher?) than Brady's in the SuperBowl?
I think I know what you mean by IT but the definition can vary per person.

Ehh, I think you're stretching my meaning. Foles had a great supporting cast around him, and Eli was an excellent quarterback and future Hall of Famer.. I would say he definitely had the IT factor. Remember when we lost to them in the playoffs? We were kicking his ass all game and with 49ers draped all over him he eventually made a big throw that eventually got them the lead.

I might have framed my question stupidly but I am curious how IT is defined. If a QB has a comeback drive in the final moments of the 4th quarter, is that a sign of the IT? If a QB sucks ass all game long then finally realizes he needs to snap out of it, is that a sign of IT?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Whats hilarious is posters making definitive claims about Lance after 3 games.

Yep. Doesn't have IT factor or natural leadership based off week 1😂😂😂.

Lance needs to be up in the gym just working on his ITness.

As I said, I don't think it's something that's learned or gained. You either have it or you don't. Going to the gym isn't going to increase his ITness.

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Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Trey will improve in most areas of his game as time goes on. Experience and repetition are what makes men good at whatever craft they're in. My beef with Trey are the things that aren't graphable. I don't think he's a natural leader and I think he's soft. In that muddy, terrible field and weather San Francisco needed someone to play outside of the box score and just make a Super Star play. A number 3 overall pick play... a trade away three first rounders kind of play.

What he's lacking is the IT factor. I don't think it's something you can train at, though, or just get better with over time.

I love discussing IT factor. Many companies have an entire department dedicated to IT.

I thought he was referring to the scary clown

You guys are hilarious!

If a player is considered to have the IT factor, are there levels to the IT? Do Nick Foles and Eli Manning have more ITness than Brady since their IT was bigger (higher?) than Brady's in the SuperBowl?
I think I know what you mean by IT but the definition can vary per person.

Ehh, I think you're stretching my meaning. Foles had a great supporting cast around him, and Eli was an excellent quarterback and future Hall of Famer.. I would say he definitely had the IT factor. Remember when we lost to them in the playoffs? We were kicking his ass all game and with 49ers draped all over him he eventually made a big throw that eventually got them the lead.

I might have framed my question stupidly but I am curious how IT is defined. If a QB has a comeback drive in the final moments of the 4th quarter, is that a sign of the IT? If a QB sucks ass all game long then finally realizes he needs to snap out of it, is that a sign of IT?

Yes to both. You know special when you see it. When a player consistently makes WOW plays despite his circumstances.