Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

I bet my friend before the season that trey would have a winning record this year. $50.

I thought it was easy money. If we lose this weekend there is a real possibility we start 0-4

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well.....glad to see the conversation has elevated from last year.....

Excited for your breakdown.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Trey will improve in most areas of his game as time goes on. Experience and repetition are what makes men good at whatever craft they're in. My beef with Trey are the things that aren't graphable. I don't think he's a natural leader and I think he's soft. In that muddy, terrible field and weather San Francisco needed someone to play outside of the box score and just make a Super Star play. A number 3 overall pick play... a trade away three first rounders kind of play.

What he's lacking is the IT factor. I don't think it's something you can train at, though, or just get better with over time.

Ridiculous. Kid was out there running through punishment to get first downs and sustain drives. Far from soft.

Being able to take a hit doesn't make you tough. Neither does panic scrambling for a few years and running through a cornerback on a designed run. Focusing through your pain and making plays despite the situation is what separates those guys. Lance, for all his supposed athleticism, ability to improvise, huge arm and incredible ability to process information couldn't make a play.

Ok what specifically could he have done differently other than not miss Kroft or look off that DB on the INT? I don't know what you are talking about when you say "he's not a natural leader" or "he didn't improvise". You need to provide specific examples, because what I saw he mostly took what the defense gave him in a monsoon.

Not even mad about the miss. That happens to every quarterback. And I can't give you a specific example on when or how he could have been special. It's something special players do when they need. Like when Russ runs around in circles and throws a dime in the back of the endzone.

Here are some examples of Trey being special:

:18 Runs for 1st down on 3rd and 1
:32 Climbs the pocket avoiding pressure up the middle and to his right, throws a strike to Aiyuk for a big play.
:42 Excellent play fake that freezes all of the LB's, then throws a dart to Ray Ray for a big play.
1:03 Jukes the Bears safety and runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 13
1:22 Perfect strike to Jennings on what should have been a TD (Jennings tripped on his own feet) on 3rd and 6.
1:50 Runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 2 against a stacked box
2:00 Throws a dart to Jennings to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 5
2:12 Nearly runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 9, dragging Roquan Smith on his back
2:36 Climbs the pocket, evades the rush with nice pocket movement, keeps his eyes downfield, throws a strike to Dwelley to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 9.
2:46 Throws a perfect ball to Aiyuk who is well covered, with the monsoon rain pouring down, for 9 yards on 2nd and 10.
2:58 Runs for a first down on 3rd and 1
3:18 Makes multiple defenders miss him in the pocket with great footwork, picks up a 1st down on 3rd and 2. His 6th 1st down with his legs of the day.

You simply cannot make all of these plays in one game, under those conditions, and "suck." And anyone saying that he sucks or is a bust is a damn fool. Trey is going to be a star.

A lot of Sam Darnold's draft hype was based around "it."

when I asked wtf "it" is, nobody could define it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Trey will improve in most areas of his game as time goes on. Experience and repetition are what makes men good at whatever craft they're in. My beef with Trey are the things that aren't graphable. I don't think he's a natural leader and I think he's soft. In that muddy, terrible field and weather San Francisco needed someone to play outside of the box score and just make a Super Star play. A number 3 overall pick play... a trade away three first rounders kind of play.

What he's lacking is the IT factor. I don't think it's something you can train at, though, or just get better with over time.

I love discussing IT factor. Many companies have an entire department dedicated to IT.

I thought he was referring to the scary clown

You guys are hilarious!

Whats hilarious is posters making definitive claims about Lance after 3 games.

What you fail to realize is that many of us didn't like Lance prior to the draft for the same reasons we don't like him now. Our biggest fears have been confirmed.

The only thing that has been confirmed after 3 games is you are completely biased because you didnt like Lance prior to the draft.

And you are all biased because Lance was the pick so you have to love him and make Treyscuses all day long.

Point to one excuse I have made for the kid. Just one. All I said is its been 3 games. If you find that to be a "treyexcuse" or me loving him, thats a YOU issue.

I was just generalizing.. sorry about that. I usually get attacked from everywhere when I call out Lance, which is often. It's hard to figure out who the real fans are.

Originally posted by Furlow:


Here are some examples of Trey being special:

:18 Runs for 1st down on 3rd and 1
:32 Climbs the pocket avoiding pressure up the middle and to his right, throws a strike to Aiyuk for a big play.
:42 Excellent play fake that freezes all of the LB's, then throws a dart to Ray Ray for a big play.
1:03 Jukes the Bears safety and runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 13
1:22 Perfect strike to Jennings on what should have been a TD (Jennings tripped on his own feet) on 3rd and 6.
1:50 Runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 2 against a stacked box
2:00 Throws a dart to Jennings to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 5
2:12 Nearly runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 9, dragging Roquan Smith on his back
2:36 Climbs the pocket, evades the rush with nice pocket movement, keeps his eyes downfield, throws a strike to Dwelley to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 9.
2:46 Throws a perfect ball to Aiyuk who is well covered, with the monsoon rain pouring down, for 9 yards on 2nd and 10.
2:58 Runs for a first down on 3rd and 1
3:18 Makes multiple defenders miss him in the pocket with great footwork, picks up a 1st down on 3rd and 2. His 6th 1st down with his legs of the day.

You simply cannot make all of these plays in one game, under those conditions, and "suck." And anyone saying that he sucks or is a bust is a damn fool. Trey is going to be a star.

Favorite play he made of the day. This was absolutely a special play.

Originally posted by Heroism:
A lot of Sam Darnold's draft hype was based around "it."

when I asked wtf "it" is, nobody could define it.

Of course nobody can define it. There is no definition. But I can tell you has it and who doesn't.

Steph curry has it
James harden doesn't have it.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well.....glad to see the conversation has elevated from last year.....

Has it? That's a genuine question.

So far we've seen comments about Trey's hairline, arm fatigue, counting wobbles, doesn't have IT factor, scared look in his eye, and labeled bust after one game in 2022.

As I've said repeatedly I'm all for being critical of Trey's film. I still don't think enough people care to actually discuss football. It's going to be very emotional every time we lose.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
2 of those throws were off of immaculate design. Lance had a clean pocket and just delivered the ball. That was 7v7 stuff. He's not a dynamic runner, I don't care about that.. but neither is Rodgers and he finds ways to keep plays alive.

We have seen Lance keep plays alive too. But any comparison to Rodgers is already doin too much. Rodgers had 100 fold more QB experience when he took over in GB and Lance is unlikely to EVER be as good as him anyway. From what I can see Lance is clearly trying to play from the pocket. I think experience is what he needs more than anything. He had to have already wowed someone to be drafted where he was with so little experience at a small school.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:


Here are some examples of Trey being special:

:18 Runs for 1st down on 3rd and 1
:32 Climbs the pocket avoiding pressure up the middle and to his right, throws a strike to Aiyuk for a big play.
:42 Excellent play fake that freezes all of the LB's, then throws a dart to Ray Ray for a big play.
1:03 Jukes the Bears safety and runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 13
1:22 Perfect strike to Jennings on what should have been a TD (Jennings tripped on his own feet) on 3rd and 6.
1:50 Runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 2 against a stacked box
2:00 Throws a dart to Jennings to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 5
2:12 Nearly runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 9, dragging Roquan Smith on his back
2:36 Climbs the pocket, evades the rush with nice pocket movement, keeps his eyes downfield, throws a strike to Dwelley to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 9.
2:46 Throws a perfect ball to Aiyuk who is well covered, with the monsoon rain pouring down, for 9 yards on 2nd and 10.
2:58 Runs for a first down on 3rd and 1
3:18 Makes multiple defenders miss him in the pocket with great footwork, picks up a 1st down on 3rd and 2. His 6th 1st down with his legs of the day.

You simply cannot make all of these plays in one game, under those conditions, and "suck." And anyone saying that he sucks or is a bust is a damn fool. Trey is going to be a star.

Favorite play he made of the day. This was absolutely a special play.

I'm sorry.. but what was special about that? Excellent design by Shanny, 7 step drop.. max pro.. clean pocket. The kid throws a dart, but he stares him down the entire time.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I can't define IT but certain ppl have it. I would say Mahomes has IT. MJ had IT. For the 49ers the most obvious example is Joe Montana had IT. Unflappable this guy just wins play after play. 2017 JG seemed to have IT. It's not common to have IT. There is no definition but you can tell IT when you see it. What is IT? It's IT.

So Mahomes, Jordan , Montana, and Jimmy have IT. Did Jimmy lose the IT after 2017 or is IT something that once you have it, you have IT for life?
Also, It's It is an ice cream patty in two cookies. Very yummy.

KC knocked the IT off of him in 2018.. .. it can happen like it did with RG3.. Cappuccino It's IT has IT

This is what I mean. You're saying Jimmy had the IT then lost the IT. DaBeegDeek is saying that the IT is something that is innate - have it or you don't. You can't suddenly lose an innate trait. At least I don't think so.
IT means different things and I don't think it should be used when making a point. Just say 'talent', 'clutchness', 'strong will', 'perseverance' etc.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Trey will improve in most areas of his game as time goes on. Experience and repetition are what makes men good at whatever craft they're in. My beef with Trey are the things that aren't graphable. I don't think he's a natural leader and I think he's soft. In that muddy, terrible field and weather San Francisco needed someone to play outside of the box score and just make a Super Star play. A number 3 overall pick play... a trade away three first rounders kind of play.

What he's lacking is the IT factor. I don't think it's something you can train at, though, or just get better with over time.

I love discussing IT factor. Many companies have an entire department dedicated to IT.

I thought he was referring to the scary clown

You guys are hilarious!

If a player is considered to have the IT factor, are there levels to the IT? Do Nick Foles and Eli Manning have more ITness than Brady since their IT was bigger (higher?) than Brady's in the SuperBowl?
I think I know what you mean by IT but the definition can vary per person.

Ehh, I think you're stretching my meaning. Foles had a great supporting cast around him, and Eli was an excellent quarterback and future Hall of Famer.. I would say he definitely had the IT factor. Remember when we lost to them in the playoffs? We were kicking his ass all game and with 49ers draped all over him he eventually made a big throw that eventually got them the lead.

I might have framed my question stupidly but I am curious how IT is defined. If a QB has a comeback drive in the final moments of the 4th quarter, is that a sign of the IT? If a QB sucks ass all game long then finally realizes he needs to snap out of it, is that a sign of IT?

Yes to both. You know special when you see it. When a player consistently makes WOW plays despite his circumstances.

If a player performs well and makes WOW plays in quarters 1-3 but falters in the 4th quarter, does that player have the IT? When I think of IT, I think clutch factor. So in the above scenario, I'd say that player that does not have a high level of the IT.

That all depends. What was the scenario? How did they end up in that position? Does this player have a history of being clutch?

I can tell you're just pulling my chain.

I'm not. It's such an abstract and intangible thing that no one has a definition for. It sounds like a fallback term used when a well defined trait isn't used. Just say you think a player sucks instead of "he doesn't have the IT".
Because, like I said above, I think of "clutchness" when I hear about the IT, and Lance hasn't been in enough situations for us to measure his ITness.

You know special when you see it, brother. I never saw it in Trey in college, or last year, or this preseason or in game 1. That's all I'm saying. Big kid, big arm.. he can take hits and pop back up and sling the ball with a lot of velocity. But I haven't seen anything else in his game.

Special... It... Juice... Sauce... call it what you want.

Does DeShaun Watson have IT? Heard he did because of his college games. Seems like he spent more time showing IT though.

FWIW I would take Trey all day every day over that sack of garbage Watson. Should've been suspended for 2 years, minimum, IMO.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Trey will improve in most areas of his game as time goes on. Experience and repetition are what makes men good at whatever craft they're in. My beef with Trey are the things that aren't graphable. I don't think he's a natural leader and I think he's soft. In that muddy, terrible field and weather San Francisco needed someone to play outside of the box score and just make a Super Star play. A number 3 overall pick play... a trade away three first rounders kind of play.

What he's lacking is the IT factor. I don't think it's something you can train at, though, or just get better with over time.

Ridiculous. Kid was out there running through punishment to get first downs and sustain drives. Far from soft.

Being able to take a hit doesn't make you tough. Neither does panic scrambling for a few years and running through a cornerback on a designed run. Focusing through your pain and making plays despite the situation is what separates those guys. Lance, for all his supposed athleticism, ability to improvise, huge arm and incredible ability to process information couldn't make a play.

Ok what specifically could he have done differently other than not miss Kroft or look off that DB on the INT? I don't know what you are talking about when you say "he's not a natural leader" or "he didn't improvise". You need to provide specific examples, because what I saw he mostly took what the defense gave him in a monsoon.

Not even mad about the miss. That happens to every quarterback. And I can't give you a specific example on when or how he could have been special. It's something special players do when they need. Like when Russ runs around in circles and throws a dime in the back of the endzone.

Here are some examples of Trey being special:

:18 Runs for 1st down on 3rd and 1
:32 Climbs the pocket avoiding pressure up the middle and to his right, throws a strike to Aiyuk for a big play.
:42 Excellent play fake that freezes all of the LB's, then throws a dart to Ray Ray for a big play.
1:03 Jukes the Bears safety and runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 13
1:22 Perfect strike to Jennings on what should have been a TD (Jennings tripped on his own feet) on 3rd and 6.
1:50 Runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 2 against a stacked box
2:00 Throws a dart to Jennings to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 5
2:12 Nearly runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 9, dragging Roquan Smith on his back
2:36 Climbs the pocket, evades the rush with nice pocket movement, keeps his eyes downfield, throws a strike to Dwelley to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 9.
2:46 Throws a perfect ball to Aiyuk who is well covered, with the monsoon rain pouring down, for 9 yards on 2nd and 10.
2:58 Runs for a first down on 3rd and 1
3:18 Makes multiple defenders miss him in the pocket with great footwork, picks up a 1st down on 3rd and 2. His 6th 1st down with his legs of the day.

You simply cannot make all of these plays in one game, under those conditions, and "suck." And anyone saying that he sucks or is a bust is a damn fool. Trey is going to be a star.

To be fair, I'm not approving because you're being positive about Trey. I'm applauding because you're discussing football, which not enough people are doing. I don't think we know yet if Trey's going to be a star or not. I was one of the highest on him predraft and I did think there's a lot to work with. Only time will tell.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Ehh, I think you're stretching my meaning. Foles had a great supporting cast around him, and Eli was an excellent quarterback and future Hall of Famer.. I would say he definitely had the IT factor. Remember when we lost to them in the playoffs? We were kicking his ass all game and with 49ers draped all over him he eventually made a big throw that eventually got them the lead.

I have a lot if respect for your opinions but will have to disagree with you about Eli Manning being a Hall of Famer. Not saying he won't be but if he is it would just further diminish the the general tenor of who it is the let in these days.

I have always thought the Hall of Fame, in any sport, should be reserved for players who had some significant impact on the game or changed the way in which their position was perceived.

That's why it has always made sense to me that guys like Gayle Sayers should be in even though his career lasted only a few years. I have a harder time with guys who have hung around long enough to put up some decent career numbers but never really made you think the game wouldn't be what it is without their contribution.

About the only thing that stands out to me about Eli Manning is that stupid hang dog expression he had on his face all the time and the perception that he seemed to lead the league in interceptions every year. That he got lucky in a couple Super Bowls doesn't really qualify him for the Hall in my mind.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Heroism:
A lot of Sam Darnold's draft hype was based around "it."

when I asked wtf "it" is, nobody could define it.

Of course nobody can define it. There is no definition. But I can tell you has it and who doesn't.

Steph curry has it
James harden doesn't have it.

Does Robert Horry have the IT?
Does Karl Malone have the IT?