Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Heroism:
A lot of Sam Darnold's draft hype was based around "it."

when I asked wtf "it" is, nobody could define it.

Of course nobody can define it. There is no definition. But I can tell you has it and who doesn't.

Steph curry has it
James harden doesn't have it.

Steph Curry had it in his first few NBA games?

Game 1: 7/12 (0/1 from three), 14 points, loss (+7 +/-)
Game 2: 5/9 (2/3 from three), 12 points, loss (-19 +/-)
Game 3: 3/6 (1/2 from three), 7 points, win (-4 +/-)
Game 4: 1/5 (0/1 from three), 5 points, loss (-13 +/-)

Originally posted by thl408:
Does Robert Horry have the IT?
Does Karl Malone have the IT?

I think I found some it. I posted it in the Jimmy thread.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Ehh, I think you're stretching my meaning. Foles had a great supporting cast around him, and Eli was an excellent quarterback and future Hall of Famer.. I would say he definitely had the IT factor. Remember when we lost to them in the playoffs? We were kicking his ass all game and with 49ers draped all over him he eventually made a big throw that eventually got them the lead.

I have a lot if respect for your opinions but will have to disagree with you about Eli Manning being a Hall of Famer. Not saying he won't be but if he is it would just further diminish the the general tenor of who it is the let in these days.

I have always thought the Hall of Fame, in any sport, should be reserved for players who had some significant impact on the game or changed the way in which their position was perceived.

That's why it has always made sense to me that guys like Gayle Sayers should be in even though his career lasted only a few years. I have a harder time with guys who have hung around long enough to put up some decent career numbers but never really made you think the game wouldn't be what it is without their contribution.

About the only thing that stands out to me about Eli Manning is that stupid hang dog expression he had on his face all the time and the perception that he seemed to lead the league in interceptions every year. That he got lucky in a couple Super Bowls doesn't really qualify him for the Hall in my mind.

I respect your post deeply, but I disagree about Eli.



This discussion reminds me of when Warren Sapp pounded the table for our boy Frankie.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Heroism:
A lot of Sam Darnold's draft hype was based around "it."

when I asked wtf "it" is, nobody could define it.

Of course nobody can define it. There is no definition. But I can tell you has it and who doesn't.

Steph curry has it
James harden doesn't have it.

Steph Curry had it in his first few NBA games?

Game 1: 7/12 (0/1 from three), 14 points, loss (+7 +/1)
Game 2: 5/9 (2/3 from three), 12 points, loss (-19 +/-)
Game 3: 3/6 (1/2 from three), 7 points, win (-4 +/-)
Game 4: 1/5 (0/1 from three), 5 points, loss (-13 +/1)

Beautiful Furlow, top post

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:


Here are some examples of Trey being special:

:18 Runs for 1st down on 3rd and 1
:32 Climbs the pocket avoiding pressure up the middle and to his right, throws a strike to Aiyuk for a big play.
:42 Excellent play fake that freezes all of the LB's, then throws a dart to Ray Ray for a big play.
1:03 Jukes the Bears safety and runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 13
1:22 Perfect strike to Jennings on what should have been a TD (Jennings tripped on his own feet) on 3rd and 6.
1:50 Runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 2 against a stacked box
2:00 Throws a dart to Jennings to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 5
2:12 Nearly runs for a 1st down on 3rd and 9, dragging Roquan Smith on his back
2:36 Climbs the pocket, evades the rush with nice pocket movement, keeps his eyes downfield, throws a strike to Dwelley to pick up a 1st down on 3rd and 9.
2:46 Throws a perfect ball to Aiyuk who is well covered, with the monsoon rain pouring down, for 9 yards on 2nd and 10.
2:58 Runs for a first down on 3rd and 1
3:18 Makes multiple defenders miss him in the pocket with great footwork, picks up a 1st down on 3rd and 2. His 6th 1st down with his legs of the day.

You simply cannot make all of these plays in one game, under those conditions, and "suck." And anyone saying that he sucks or is a bust is a damn fool. Trey is going to be a star.

Favorite play he made of the day. This was absolutely a special play.

It was. My favorite though was the 3rd and 9 conversion to Dwelley because it was late in the game, pressure again, but he didn't panic and take off (even though he had room to run). Kept his eyes downfield, reset his shoulders and delivered a strike to Dwelley off-platform in between 2 defenders.

Overall his performance on 3rd down was OUTSTANDING and despite all of the penalties and missed opportunities, he kept the Niners in the game with those conversions. I honestly have no clue what game these "fans" who are hating on him are watching. And don't get me started on the "analysts" who only watch a few clips and read stat sheets. Top it off with a drunk Mike Martz saying he "never liked him" and the s**t show is in full effect.

The truth is that we just don't know how Trey will turn out. He could be a star or he could be one of those first round QB busts. He hasn't played enough -in college against good opponents- or in the pros to give us a good indication.

I do think the game against Seattle will be the beginning of a track record that will start to tell the story.

Originally posted by napo:
The truth is that we just don't know how Trey will turn out. He could be a star or he could be one of those first round QB busts. He hasn't played enough -in college against good opponents- or in the pros to give us a good indication.

I do think the game against Seattle will be the beginning of a track record that will start to tell the story.

I think every time he has a bad game, it's the next game that counts! There will always be Treyscuses because of what we gave up to get him, the quarterbacks in his class and because of his age. At what point is the experience excuse no longer applicable? Is it when he plays better? Is there a number of games?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Heroism:
A lot of Sam Darnold's draft hype was based around "it."

when I asked wtf "it" is, nobody could define it.

Of course nobody can define it. There is no definition. But I can tell you has it and who doesn't.

Steph curry has it
James harden doesn't have it.

Steph Curry had it in his first few NBA games?

Game 1: 7/12 (0/1 from three), 14 points, loss (+7 +/1)
Game 2: 5/9 (2/3 from three), 12 points, loss (-19 +/-)
Game 3: 3/6 (1/2 from three), 7 points, win (-4 +/-)
Game 4: 1/5 (0/1 from three), 5 points, loss (-13 +/1)

When you try to use other players to try and make your point then subsequently shoot yourself in the foot.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by napo:
The truth is that we just don't know how Trey will turn out. He could be a star or he could be one of those first round QB busts. He hasn't played enough -in college against good opponents- or in the pros to give us a good indication.

I do think the game against Seattle will be the beginning of a track record that will start to tell the story.

I think every time he has a bad game, it's the next game that counts! There will always be Treyscuses because of what we gave up to get him, the quarterbacks in his class and because of his age. At what point is the experience excuse no longer applicable? Is it when he plays better? Is there a number of games?

Dude it's his 2nd year and 3rd start. I don't know when "excuses" won't matter, but it's surely not after this short of a time. If you're truly assessing him and not being a troll, then keep that in mind.

Would love to hear your analysis of the summary of plays that I posted where Trey was special. How can a QB who "sucks" make those types of plays?

Originally posted by napo:
The truth is that we just don't know how Trey will turn out. He could be a star or he could be one of those first round QB busts. He hasn't played enough -in college against good opponents- or in the pros to give us a good indication.

I do think the game against Seattle will be the beginning of a track record that will start to tell the story.

The truth is, no one knows how Trey will turn out. What you just said should be 100% of people's mindsets. No one KNOWS anything for sure.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by napo:
The truth is that we just don't know how Trey will turn out. He could be a star or he could be one of those first round QB busts. He hasn't played enough -in college against good opponents- or in the pros to give us a good indication.

I do think the game against Seattle will be the beginning of a track record that will start to tell the story.

I think every time he has a bad game, it's the next game that counts! There will always be Treyscuses because of what we gave up to get him, the quarterbacks in his class and because of his age. At what point is the experience excuse no longer applicable? Is it when he plays better? Is there a number of games?

I don't know what the number is, but it is definitely more than 3 games.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I was just generalizing.. sorry about that. I usually get attacked from everywhere when I call out Lance, which is often. It's hard to figure out who the real fans are.

Amen brother!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Heroism:
A lot of Sam Darnold's draft hype was based around "it."

when I asked wtf "it" is, nobody could define it.

Of course nobody can define it. There is no definition. But I can tell you has it and who doesn't.

Steph curry has it
James harden doesn't have it.

Does Robert Horry have the IT?
Does Karl Malone have the IT?

Yes
No

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I was just generalizing.. sorry about that. I usually get attacked from everywhere when I call out Lance, which is often. It's hard to figure out who the real fans are.

Amen brother!

Yikes

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by napo:
The truth is that we just don't know how Trey will turn out. He could be a star or he could be one of those first round QB busts. He hasn't played enough -in college against good opponents- or in the pros to give us a good indication.

I do think the game against Seattle will be the beginning of a track record that will start to tell the story.

I think every time he has a bad game, it's the next game that counts! There will always be Treyscuses because of what we gave up to get him, the quarterbacks in his class and because of his age. At what point is the experience excuse no longer applicable? Is it when he plays better? Is there a number of games?

Dude it's his 2nd year and 3rd start. I don't know when "excuses" won't matter, but it's surely not after this short of a time. If you're truly assessing him and not being a troll, then keep that in mind.

Would love to hear your analysis of the summary of plays that I posted where Trey was special. How can a QB who "sucks" make those types of plays?

I went through the first few plays and actually began responding to them. I got irritated switching between browsers so I just stopped. The first three plays I saw were definitely not special. The first one I believe was a QB draw... lol. I mean, if you think that's special...