Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
what is confusing is that Shanny said he liked TL because he was doing in D2 college what the 9ers were doing... but he instead uses his like a HS gun run QB???

I think Kyle might have been disappointed in Trey's development. And the best way to play him and maximize his effectiveness this season is to use him like a HS gun run QB.

even if thats true

everyone and their grandma could see trey would get hurt eventually, just a question of how badly

If that's true you might as well play Jimmy then because that offense ain't beating s**t when you play the good teams. Can get by with that 70's bs against Seattle but look at the schedule, we'll be embarrassed especially come the national TV games. Idc how good our d is you're not holding Stafford, Mahomes, Herbert, Murray, Wilson and Brady for a full game. Imo those are losses if Kyle thought we can play that style all year. Even Miami is a loss because eventually Hill and Waddle will get theirs and McDaniel knows this team

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
what is confusing is that Shanny said he liked TL because he was doing in D2 college what the 9ers were doing... but he instead uses his like a HS gun run QB???

I think Kyle might have been disappointed in Trey's development. And the best way to play him and maximize his effectiveness this season is to use him like a HS gun run QB.

even if thats true

everyone and their grandma could see trey would get hurt eventually, just a question of how badly

If that's true you might as well play Jimmy then because that offense ain't beating s**t when you play the good teams. Can get by with that 70's bs against Seattle but look at the schedule, we'll be embarrassed especially come the national TV games. Idc how good our d is you're not holding Stafford, Mahomes, Herbert, Murray, Wilson and Brady for a full game. Imo those are losses if Kyle thought we can play that style all year. Even Miami is a loss because eventually Hill and Waddle will get theirs and McDaniel knows this team

This. Still not sure if Kyle didn't let Trey air it out because he didn't trust him to, or because of weather. But the offense definitely looked better when we started passing.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Coulda, woulda, shoulda.. the more you contact him the more likely this will happen. We ran him into NFL front sevens like he was made of granite. It was stupid, considering our investment.

I still just don't understand. I was hoping to see Trey use his legs to move the pocket, play action bootlegs, etc. Not this.

We knew the option would be part of the plan as well. It just sucks that he got his foot rolled like that. My sister broke her ankle in a tug-of-war like that once. Kind of a freak injury.

People need to stop calling this a freak injury. Freak injuries occur when there is no contact. When you run into 300+ pound men on a consistent basis, there is nothing freak about it. They will break your bones.

wow.....

I see people run into 300 pound men every single game in college and the pros every week....Gotta be 70+ games per week and so very few exploded ankles.

Are you saying you see this every game you watch? When was the last time you saw this happen?

Personally the last game I saw with this bad of a lower leg injury was the 90s and Napoleon Kaufman, I know McNabb has something similar, and Dak as well...I am not even sure they bumped into 300 pound Men. I know Napoleon bumped into Ken Norton...a 240 pound man...but heck that was almost 20 years ago.

I guess we describe it as a freak injury....because of the 10s of thousands of plays we see between it happening.

Originally posted by Silky:
I have so much to say about both sides attacking each other. Shanahan shouldn't have to defend the play call. Can we agree that it was a truly unfortunate play? That play could have been normal and Trey doesn't break his ankle just as easy. I feel so bad for him because I think he was ready to take off. I think we still win that game 27-7 anyway even with Trey. I also think we have to rally around old faithful Jimmy G with all our hearts. Any Trey fan that is pissed Jimmy is back in the lineup can EAD.

Niners first. This wasn't the situation we wanted, but it's what we got. Go Niners. Go Jimmy. Heal up Trey

He should have to defend it and the selection of TL. I thought we were getting a FQB that could sling it. Block it up and let's let it rip. If something happens so be it but at least we are trying to keep this guy out of harms way. Instead, it's battering ram tactics like from the ARZ game and that being a staple of what TL brings.. did no one say why are we investing 3 ones in a not very sustainable tactic.. heck the broadcasters last week who don't do SF games all the time took one look at what we were doing and saw enough to say this isn't wise, that was said in the Bears game as we were doing TL up the middle stuff.

I wouldn't call what I just saw 'unfortunate' I would call it stupid and highly predictable.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Coulda, woulda, shoulda.. the more you contact him the more likely this will happen. We ran him into NFL front sevens like he was made of granite. It was stupid, considering our investment.

I still just don't understand. I was hoping to see Trey use his legs to move the pocket, play action bootlegs, etc. Not this.

We knew the option would be part of the plan as well. It just sucks that he got his foot rolled like that. My sister broke her ankle in a tug-of-war like that once. Kind of a freak injury.

People need to stop calling this a freak injury. Freak injuries occur when there is no contact. When you run into 300+ pound men on a consistent basis, there is nothing freak about it. They will break your bones.

wow.....

I see people run into 300 pound men every single game in college and the pros every week....Gotta be 70+ games per week and so very few exploded ankles.

Are you saying you see this every game you watch? When was the last time you saw this happen?

Personally the last game I saw with this bad of a lower leg injury was the 90s and Napoleon Kaufman, I know McNabb has something similar, and Dak as well...I am not even sure they bumped into 300 pound Men. I know Napoleon bumped into Ken Norton...a 240 pound man...but heck that was almost 20 years ago.

I guess we describe it as a freak injury....because of the 10s of thousands of plays we see between it happening.

A freak injury is one that happens under highly unusual and unlikely circumstances. I don't find it unusual to be injured when a person is tackled by 2 men that are around 300 lbs. But maybe that's just me.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The Trey Lance project, IMO, is officially over. No way we can take an injured 'project' quarterback who will be coming back from a horrid injury (which will affect what was supposed to be one of his biggest strengths eg mobility) in his third year to play what will be in effect his rookie season.

There was nothing about Trey before this injury that made any of us think he was the next great football phenom. And certainly I wouldn't expect him to come back from this with added elusiveness, agility, etc. He's gonna need a long rehab, and then we're hoping that come year 4 or 5 after we drafted him he will be our franchise quarterback?

no thanks. Time to look elsewhere.

Trey will be starting Week 1 next season, and likely in 2024 as well. To give up on him after four starts is foolishness beyond reason.

Or do you expect them to start Purdy next year with Lance backing him up?

I don't think Trey will be ready week 1 next season. We don't know the extent of his injury, but a season ending ankle fracture usually means both the tibia and fibula are involved (eg Garrison Hearst anyone ?). The news is about to get a lot worse for us Niner fans in the coming days so brace yourself. I think Trey is a done deal.

So unfortunate and this will just slow his development as he needs game reps. Heal up young fella!

Originally posted by DrEll:
I don't think Trey will be ready week 1 next season. We don't know the extent of his injury, but a season ending ankle fracture usually means both the tibia and fibula are involved (eg Garrison Hearst anyone ?). The news is about to get a lot worse for us Niner fans in the coming days so brace yourself. I think Trey is a done deal.

Hearst's problem was not the break, but the circulation issues that occurred after the fact. That's pretty uncommon.

Prescott suffered his ankle injury in Week 5 of 2020 and started Week 1 2021. This is the more likely scenario for Lance.

Originally posted by DrEll:
I don't think Trey will be ready week 1 next season. We don't know the extent of his injury, but a season ending ankle fracture usually means both the tibia and fibula are involved (eg Garrison Hearst anyone ?). The news is about to get a lot worse for us Niner fans in the coming days so brace yourself. I think Trey is a done deal.

Hope you're wrong there. He has a whole year to recover. Are you a real Dr? I'm not, that's why I HOPE you're wrong.

Originally posted by Silky:
I have so much to say about both sides attacking each other. Shanahan shouldn't have to defend the play call. Can we agree that it was a truly unfortunate play? That play could have been normal and Trey doesn't break his ankle just as easy. I feel so bad for him because I think he was ready to take off. I think we still win that game 27-7 anyway even with Trey. I also think we have to rally around old faithful Jimmy G with all our hearts. Any Trey fan that is pissed Jimmy is back in the lineup can EAD.

Niners first. This wasn't the situation we wanted, but it's what we got. Go Niners. Go Jimmy. Heal up Trey

💯

I am a big believer in Trey, still am. But Jimmy is awesome too lets rally behind him!

Originally posted by captveg:
Hearst's problem was not the break, but the circulation issues that occurred after the fact. That's pretty uncommon.

Prescott suffered his ankle injury in Week 5 of 2020 and started Week 1 2021. This is the more likely scenario for Lance.

Yah Garrison issue was similar to what Alex Smith had. Blood flow got cut off.

Well, some things we did/do know. QB's running into big, mean and violent defenders definitely increases chance of injury.

Trey was drafted for his ability to force 11 on 11 football with his running ability. That's been covered by Kyle 800 times. I talked about how Kyle brought Trey in for this and people interpreted their criticisms of Jimmy as reasons Kyle wanted Trey.

Treys injury sucks because the offense Kyle spent the entire off-season planning for a Trey Lance offense and Trey needed the reps, badly.

Jimmy hasn't had any off-season with the team, hasn't even had practice reps with anyone other than PS and 4th stringers and will now have to lead an offense rebuilding it's playbook as 2/3 of our RB's weren't here last year or our IOL in their positions as well as our 4th and 5th receivers.

It's only week 2, we're #1nin the division and we still have a highly talented team with a QB that we've ended in the top and top 4 in the league so it's not like 2018 where we were stuck with Beathard/Mullens.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The Trey Lance project, IMO, is officially over. No way we can take an injured 'project' quarterback who will be coming back from a horrid injury (which will affect what was supposed to be one of his biggest strengths eg mobility) in his third year to play what will be in effect his rookie season.

There was nothing about Trey before this injury that made any of us think he was the next great football phenom. And certainly I wouldn't expect him to come back from this with added elusiveness, agility, etc. He's gonna need a long rehab, and then we're hoping that come year 4 or 5 after we drafted him he will be our franchise quarterback?

no thanks. Time to look elsewhere.

Trey will be starting Week 1 next season, and likely in 2024 as well. To give up on him after four starts is foolishness beyond reason.

Or do you expect them to start Purdy next year with Lance backing him up?

I don't think Trey will be ready week 1 next season. We don't know the extent of his injury, but a season ending ankle fracture usually means both the tibia and fibula are involved (eg Garrison Hearst anyone ?). The news is about to get a lot worse for us Niner fans in the coming days so brace yourself. I think Trey is a done deal.

Dak broke his ankle later than week 2 and started week 1 the following year. Unless a massive set back Trey will be good to go, this isn't a nerve damage and tears of multiple ligaments were talking about.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by captveg:
Hearst's problem was not the break, but the circulation issues that occurred after the fact. That's pretty uncommon.

Prescott suffered his ankle injury in Week 5 of 2020 and started Week 1 2021. This is the more likely scenario for Lance.

Yah Garrison issue was similar to what Alex Smith had. Blood flow got cut off.

lets all pray for trey's bloodflow 🙏

Has Trey even had an MRI yet? We don't even know the full extent yet.