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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by DrEll:
The Trey Lance project, IMO, is officially over. No way we can take an injured 'project' quarterback who will be coming back from a horrid injury (which will affect what was supposed to be one of his biggest strengths eg mobility) in his third year to play what will be in effect his rookie season.

There was nothing about Trey before this injury that made any of us think he was the next great football phenom. And certainly I wouldn't expect him to come back from this with added elusiveness, agility, etc. He's gonna need a long rehab, and then we're hoping that come year 4 or 5 after we drafted him he will be our franchise quarterback?

no thanks. Time to look elsewhere.

Trey will be starting Week 1 next season, and likely in 2024 as well. To give up on him after four starts is foolishness beyond reason.

Or do you expect them to start Purdy next year with Lance backing him up?

I don't think Trey will be ready week 1 next season. We don't know the extent of his injury, but a season ending ankle fracture usually means both the tibia and fibula are involved (eg Garrison Hearst anyone ?). The news is about to get a lot worse for us Niner fans in the coming days so brace yourself. I think Trey is a done deal.

Dak broke his ankle later than week 2 and started week 1 the following year. Unless a massive set back Trey will be good to go, this isn't a nerve damage and tears of multiple ligaments were talking about.

And if I recalled correctly, Dak was a full go at the start of the 2021 training camp.
Originally posted by JTB1974:
Has Trey even had an MRI yet? We don't even know the full extent yet.

It's a broken ankle, which would be revealed via x-ray.. not like an ACL where you wait for the next day MRI.. there may be more developments to the exact extent.. but it is being widely reported that he is requiring surgery and out for the year.
Bears dial up QB power. How did Justin Fields entire body not explode?

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, some things we did/do know. QB's running into big, mean and violent defenders definitely increases chance of injury.

Trey was drafted for his ability to force 11 on 11 football with his running ability. That's been covered by Kyle 800 times. I talked about how Kyle brought Trey in for this and people interpreted their criticisms of Jimmy as reasons Kyle wanted Trey.

Treys injury sucks because the offense Kyle spent the entire off-season planning for a Trey Lance offense and Trey needed the reps, badly.

Jimmy hasn't had any off-season with the team, hasn't even had practice reps with anyone other than PS and 4th stringers and will now have to lead an offense rebuilding it's playbook as 2/3 of our RB's weren't here last year or our IOL in their positions as well as our 4th and 5th receivers.

It's only week 2, we're #1nin the division and we still have a highly talented team with a QB that we've ended in the top and top 4 in the league so it's not like 2018 where we were stuck with Beathard/Mullens.

I'm just upset about the reps part. Trey needed reps like you said. We took a big step backwards in his development and all the naysayers get to make definite statements about Lance without fear being proven wrong. Kyle shouldn't be blamed for Trey's injury, but this was the most important player on the team and he failed to give him enough quality passing reps.

I'm very glad we have Jimmy. I have confidence he'll put us in position to compete for a Super Bowl. I will be incredibly grateful if he does win it all. But this injury really does tamper my excitement about this season. And not because I think Lance is better than Jimmy rn… but because I feel Trey was part of the hope for the future.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
on insisting to call designed runs for him

when he got a first down earlier and everyone cheered, i told my brother "dude i dont like that, hes going to get hurt". and bam, gone for the year.

Everyone knows injuries happen in football. When they happen to your QB1, they can be devastating and thus, you do what you can to limit your QB's exposure to crushing hits - especially up the middle by big DLs and LBs.

You especially want to limit such hits on your young, developing QB whom you invested a lot of draft capital - one that needs to be playing when it's his time (like now). One that needs all the game experience he can get.

Lance is a dual-threat QB but not in the way where you call more than three or maybe four designed runs a game, IMO. For the zone read calls like today where he got injured, keep those at a minimum, too, and when he does run keep it to the outside and not up the middle if at all possible. Hopefully, Lance will do this going forward.

I can see why so many fans, myself included, have questioned and even hated all the designed runs called for Lance in the starts he's had. He's not Josh Allen, and he's not as big as Josh Allen. In the first quarter alone today, he had at least two designed runs by my count.

Though today's injury was on a zone read type of play, what happened was what so many fans feared could happen to Lance at any given time with the way he's been used. He's already taken a pounding on the limited playing time he's had to start his NFL career. Yes, he has to learn to get out of harm's way better by sliding, etc. But the play calling choices can help him, too.

Now, Lance loses more valuable playing time and is just that much further removed from the time he's played a long stretch of football, which was in college at a lower college level.

Now, the Niners go from having the strongest room at the most important position in the game to one that's considerably weaker.

I still like this team's chances with Garoppolo at QB1 and his familiarity with this scheme and personnel along with this team's strong D and improved ST (besides today's blocked FG hiccup). But was really looking forward to seeing what Lance could do this year for this team with extended time playing QB in the NFL.
If it's reported by our people he will be out 12 months, it really means 16-18 months.
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by DrEll:
The Trey Lance project, IMO, is officially over. No way we can take an injured 'project' quarterback who will be coming back from a horrid injury (which will affect what was supposed to be one of his biggest strengths eg mobility) in his third year to play what will be in effect his rookie season.

There was nothing about Trey before this injury that made any of us think he was the next great football phenom. And certainly I wouldn't expect him to come back from this with added elusiveness, agility, etc. He's gonna need a long rehab, and then we're hoping that come year 4 or 5 after we drafted him he will be our franchise quarterback?

no thanks. Time to look elsewhere.

Trey will be starting Week 1 next season, and likely in 2024 as well. To give up on him after four starts is foolishness beyond reason.

Or do you expect them to start Purdy next year with Lance backing him up?

I don't think Trey will be ready week 1 next season. We don't know the extent of his injury, but a season ending ankle fracture usually means both the tibia and fibula are involved (eg Garrison Hearst anyone ?). The news is about to get a lot worse for us Niner fans in the coming days so brace yourself. I think Trey is a done deal.

Dak broke his ankle later than week 2 and started week 1 the following year. Unless a massive set back Trey will be good to go, this isn't a nerve damage and tears of multiple ligaments were talking about.

And if I recalled correctly, Dak was a full go at the start of the 2021 training camp.

Yup, Trey will be a full go I'm not worried. They probably will not let him get reps in the preseason tho, whoever they do those joint team practices against will be his preseason
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by DrEll:
The Trey Lance project, IMO, is officially over. No way we can take an injured 'project' quarterback who will be coming back from a horrid injury (which will affect what was supposed to be one of his biggest strengths eg mobility) in his third year to play what will be in effect his rookie season.

There was nothing about Trey before this injury that made any of us think he was the next great football phenom. And certainly I wouldn't expect him to come back from this with added elusiveness, agility, etc. He's gonna need a long rehab, and then we're hoping that come year 4 or 5 after we drafted him he will be our franchise quarterback?

no thanks. Time to look elsewhere.

Trey will be starting Week 1 next season, and likely in 2024 as well. To give up on him after four starts is foolishness beyond reason.

Or do you expect them to start Purdy next year with Lance backing him up?

I don't think Trey will be ready week 1 next season. We don't know the extent of his injury, but a season ending ankle fracture usually means both the tibia and fibula are involved (eg Garrison Hearst anyone ?). The news is about to get a lot worse for us Niner fans in the coming days so brace yourself. I think Trey is a done deal.

Dak broke his ankle later than week 2 and started week 1 the following year. Unless a massive set back Trey will be good to go, this isn't a nerve damage and tears of multiple ligaments were talking about.

And if I recalled correctly, Dak was a full go at the start of the 2021 training camp.

Yup, Trey will be a full go I'm not worried. They probably will not let him get reps in the preseason tho, whoever they do those joint team practices against will be his preseason
It is still huge to potentially missed the whole offseason including mini camps. I really worried his development.
Originally posted by jreff22:
If it's reported by our people he will be out 12 months, it really means 16-18 months.

True that. Especially with niners rehab/training staff.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, some things we did/do know. QB's running into big, mean and violent defenders definitely increases chance of injury.

Trey was drafted for his ability to force 11 on 11 football with his running ability. That's been covered by Kyle 800 times. I talked about how Kyle brought Trey in for this and people interpreted their criticisms of Jimmy as reasons Kyle wanted Trey.

Treys injury sucks because the offense Kyle spent the entire off-season planning for a Trey Lance offense and Trey needed the reps, badly.

Jimmy hasn't had any off-season with the team, hasn't even had practice reps with anyone other than PS and 4th stringers and will now have to lead an offense rebuilding it's playbook as 2/3 of our RB's weren't here last year or our IOL in their positions as well as our 4th and 5th receivers.

It's only week 2, we're #1nin the division and we still have a highly talented team with a QB that we've ended in the top and top 4 in the league so it's not like 2018 where we were stuck with Beathard/Mullens.

The fact that this was legit our plan is baffling. I thought we drafted TL to be a FQB who can kill teams from the pocket.. maybe give us that off schedule no one is open threat.. you see Mahomes run 7 yards and hold the ball out as he's going out of bounds all the time.. stuff like that.

To think great football minds sat around and thought it wise to spend three ones to use their QB like an RB.. when we can't keep RBs healthy to save our bleeping bleeps .. lord ..
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by DrEll:
The Trey Lance project, IMO, is officially over. No way we can take an injured 'project' quarterback who will be coming back from a horrid injury (which will affect what was supposed to be one of his biggest strengths eg mobility) in his third year to play what will be in effect his rookie season.

There was nothing about Trey before this injury that made any of us think he was the next great football phenom. And certainly I wouldn't expect him to come back from this with added elusiveness, agility, etc. He's gonna need a long rehab, and then we're hoping that come year 4 or 5 after we drafted him he will be our franchise quarterback?

no thanks. Time to look elsewhere.

Trey will be starting Week 1 next season, and likely in 2024 as well. To give up on him after four starts is foolishness beyond reason.

Or do you expect them to start Purdy next year with Lance backing him up?

I don't think Trey will be ready week 1 next season. We don't know the extent of his injury, but a season ending ankle fracture usually means both the tibia and fibula are involved (eg Garrison Hearst anyone ?). The news is about to get a lot worse for us Niner fans in the coming days so brace yourself. I think Trey is a done deal.

Dak broke his ankle later than week 2 and started week 1 the following year. Unless a massive set back Trey will be good to go, this isn't a nerve damage and tears of multiple ligaments were talking about.

And if I recalled correctly, Dak was a full go at the start of the 2021 training camp.

Yup, Trey will be a full go I'm not worried. They probably will not let him get reps in the preseason tho, whoever they do those joint team practices against will be his preseason
It is still huge to potentially missed the whole offseason including mini camps. I really worried his development.

Same that's why the injury sucks the most, the missed season and game reps he's not going to get. Then we gotta hear the same bs is he ready?
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, some things we did/do know. QB's running into big, mean and violent defenders definitely increases chance of injury.

Trey was drafted for his ability to force 11 on 11 football with his running ability. That's been covered by Kyle 800 times. I talked about how Kyle brought Trey in for this and people interpreted their criticisms of Jimmy as reasons Kyle wanted Trey.

Treys injury sucks because the offense Kyle spent the entire off-season planning for a Trey Lance offense and Trey needed the reps, badly.

Jimmy hasn't had any off-season with the team, hasn't even had practice reps with anyone other than PS and 4th stringers and will now have to lead an offense rebuilding it's playbook as 2/3 of our RB's weren't here last year or our IOL in their positions as well as our 4th and 5th receivers.

It's only week 2, we're #1nin the division and we still have a highly talented team with a QB that we've ended in the top and top 4 in the league so it's not like 2018 where we were stuck with Beathard/Mullens.

The fact that this was legit our plan is baffling. I thought we drafted TL to be a FQB who can kill teams from the pocket.. maybe give us that off schedule no one is open threat.. you see Mahomes run 7 yards and hold the ball out as he's going out of bounds all the time.. stuff like that.

To think great football minds sat around and thought it wise to spend three ones to use their QB like an RB.. when we can't keep RBs healthy to save our bleeping bleeps .. lord ..

That probably was the plan, but perhaps TL isn't ready.
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, some things we did/do know. QB's running into big, mean and violent defenders definitely increases chance of injury.

Trey was drafted for his ability to force 11 on 11 football with his running ability. That's been covered by Kyle 800 times. I talked about how Kyle brought Trey in for this and people interpreted their criticisms of Jimmy as reasons Kyle wanted Trey.

Treys injury sucks because the offense Kyle spent the entire off-season planning for a Trey Lance offense and Trey needed the reps, badly.

Jimmy hasn't had any off-season with the team, hasn't even had practice reps with anyone other than PS and 4th stringers and will now have to lead an offense rebuilding it's playbook as 2/3 of our RB's weren't here last year or our IOL in their positions as well as our 4th and 5th receivers.

It's only week 2, we're #1nin the division and we still have a highly talented team with a QB that we've ended in the top and top 4 in the league so it's not like 2018 where we were stuck with Beathard/Mullens.

The fact that this was legit our plan is baffling. I thought we drafted TL to be a FQB who can kill teams from the pocket.. maybe give us that off schedule no one is open threat.. you see Mahomes run 7 yards and hold the ball out as he's going out of bounds all the time.. stuff like that.

To think great football minds sat around and thought it wise to spend three ones to use their QB like an RB.. when we can't keep RBs healthy to save our bleeping bleeps .. lord ..

That probably was the plan, but perhaps TL isn't ready.

I think it's kinda both. He wasn't quite ready for that phase of the plan, but they were banking on Lance getting 4-5 starts this year and improving to the point of being able to execute that phase.

Wasn't meant to be this year. Lance will give it another shot next year. Fortunately he'll be just 23 next year, so from an age perspective time is on our side.
This has become a colossal cluster f**k
I love everything about Trey's mental and throwing tools.

I really dislike Trey Lance as a runner. Visually to me, Trey Lance is TOO STIFF physically. He needs more bendy and shake-y shake-y stuttery smooth fly boy moves and most importantly, a god damn baseball slide. Some more fast twitchy type running style please. He really does move like a fullback....

still love him though overall and i know he'll work his ass off to prove everyone wrong
[ Edited by picklejuice on Sep 18, 2022 at 8:26 PM ]
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