Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
100% he was drafted for QB power. That and the fakes off of it. This is what NDSU did so well and it's what Shanahan dreamed of.

NDSU and the NFL are two different animals.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I think the question we should be asking is why is Tua throwing for 400 yards and 6 tds while we're running the ball 11/14 plays and using our qb as a rb, then our best receiver as a rb too. Kyle is obviously one of the best offensive minds in football but geez it's not hard. Get some speed and toss it down the field.

Tua threw for 400 yards and 6 TDs because Miami was down 35-14 in the 3rd quarter.

I think the point is that's the way the NFL is going. The rules are more friendly than ever for pass offense. This is reflected in QB metrics like rating which go up annually. Yet here we are the one team in the NFL investing 3 ones in QB power.

I truly don't think John and Kyle drafted Trey to be a power runner. I think this year they were running him a little more because of where he was in his development. I think if he started the entire season you would see substantial improvement each week.

Were/are any of you supervisors or managers with people under you? Have you ever had to manage someone for 2+ years? Would you say that the people you supervise and essentially mentored became better workers and people over time? I think we were seeing that with Trey. He's that raw employee you got and year 1 you were like I dunno about this guy. Then boom he turns it around and you start winning awards

100% he was drafted for QB power. That and the fakes off of it. This is what NDSU did so well and it's what Shanahan dreamed of.

If that really is the case it's the dumbest decision in the history of the San Francisco 49ers that I am aware of

A bunch of people have been saying that for a while

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
100% he was drafted for QB power. That and the fakes off of it. This is what NDSU did so well and it's what Shanahan dreamed of.

NDSU and the NFL are two different animals.

That is painfully obvious to anyone and Steve Young said it on KNBR days ago. You can't be stiff arming defensive tackles in the NFL he said. At NDSU sure. In the NFL you will get crushed. Then he gets crushed by a DT.

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I think the question we should be asking is why is Tua throwing for 400 yards and 6 tds while we're running the ball 11/14 plays and using our qb as a rb, then our best receiver as a rb too. Kyle is obviously one of the best offensive minds in football but geez it's not hard. Get some speed and toss it down the field.

Tua threw for 400 yards and 6 TDs because Miami was down 35-14 in the 3rd quarter.

I think the point is that's the way the NFL is going. The rules are more friendly than ever for pass offense. This is reflected in QB metrics like rating which go up annually. Yet here we are the one team in the NFL investing 3 ones in QB power.

I truly don't think John and Kyle drafted Trey to be a power runner. I think this year they were running him a little more because of where he was in his development. I think if he started the entire season you would see substantial improvement each week.

Were/are any of you supervisors or managers with people under you? Have you ever had to manage someone for 2+ years? Would you say that the people you supervise and essentially mentored became better workers and people over time? I think we were seeing that with Trey. He's that raw employee you got and year 1 you were like I dunno about this guy. Then boom he turns it around and you start winning awards

100% he was drafted for QB power. That and the fakes off of it. This is what NDSU did so well and it's what Shanahan dreamed of.

If that really is the case it's the dumbest decision in the history of the San Francisco 49ers that I am aware of

A bunch of people have been saying that for a while

If this is true Shanahan should be fired tomorrow. That gimick crap isn't working in the NFL. I envisioned Kyle using trey as a passer with some runs sprinkled in if the play broke down. I don't know what the f**k Kyle was calling.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I think the question we should be asking is why is Tua throwing for 400 yards and 6 tds while we're running the ball 11/14 plays and using our qb as a rb, then our best receiver as a rb too. Kyle is obviously one of the best offensive minds in football but geez it's not hard. Get some speed and toss it down the field.

Tua threw for 400 yards and 6 TDs because Miami was down 35-14 in the 3rd quarter.

I think the point is that's the way the NFL is going. The rules are more friendly than ever for pass offense. This is reflected in QB metrics like rating which go up annually. Yet here we are the one team in the NFL investing 3 ones in QB power.

I truly don't think John and Kyle drafted Trey to be a power runner. I think this year they were running him a little more because of where he was in his development. I think if he started the entire season you would see substantial improvement each week.

Were/are any of you supervisors or managers with people under you? Have you ever had to manage someone for 2+ years? Would you say that the people you supervise and essentially mentored became better workers and people over time? I think we were seeing that with Trey. He's that raw employee you got and year 1 you were like I dunno about this guy. Then boom he turns it around and you start winning awards

100% he was drafted for QB power. That and the fakes off of it. This is what NDSU did so well and it's what Shanahan dreamed of.

Then Kyle needs to trade Trey for Taysom Hill.

But question is.. could we have gotten him for three ones?

start of next year trey will still only be 23. for reference that is the age burrow was when he started his rookie season

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
start of next year trey will still only be 23. for reference that is the age burrow was when he started his rookie season

Wasted cheap rookie contract. If we give him the year we were going to to give him this year to get up to NFL speed, he'll be on his last year of his contract already when he is theoretically ready to take the world by 5torm

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
100% he was drafted for QB power. That and the fakes off of it. This is what NDSU did so well and it's what Shanahan dreamed of.

NDSU and the NFL are two different animals.

This

and Trey isn't built for it, needs to put on a ton more muscle if that's the plan.

Get well soon Trey!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Common sense people

"Buffalo does it all the time with their quarterback. It's a pretty normal play. It's a part of football and it's unfortunate he hurt his ankle on it, but it's a very normal play. You guys should watch some other people." -Kyle Shanahan clearly not happy about some questions

— Niners Nation (@NinersNation) September 18, 2022

Every young quarterback in the NFL is running that same play. Injuries are always unfortunate but blaming a coach for calling a play that the entire league is using, is next level potato logic.

That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Drafting a mobile QB is great for having that ability to evade a pass.rush and make plays happen, extend plays ala Russell Wilson. Not to use them as a jack hammer into the heart of the defense.

He is supposed to be a QB first, a very expensive one at that. Over the last 1,000 days, Trey has had played in only six games. In four of the starts he has not been given the chance to grow as a passer and he has twice been injured, coaching malpractice for sure.

The team blew the 2021 draft. If you drafted a kid that can't pass well and you gave up that much draft capital to get him, you gotta let him get his passing reps.

Running should be a second thought because A it's dangerous and B it comes more naturally to him anyways. What was he teaching him?

It's obvious Kyle didn't trust him throwing the ball because a rusty Jimmy comes in and they are slinging it around. Now who's responsibility is it to have Trey prepared?

I keep hearing this is a blessing in disguise, no, it isn't. He will be a 3rd year rookie without having been able to demonstrate his passing ability. He is still a QB who played 1 year of FCS ball, last starting there in 2019, I believe because of COVID. Yikes.

When he comes back, Kyle calling more run plays for him than normal again isn't going to help. What can we expect Kyle to "Teach Him" next year? I like the win today but I don't like how the team went about it, so haphazard with Trey's health.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
start of next year trey will still only be 23. for reference that is the age burrow was when he started his rookie season

By the 2024 offseason, or end of next season, the Niners will need to decide whether to exercise the 5th year option or not for Trey Lance. It is coming up very quickly.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I think the question we should be asking is why is Tua throwing for 400 yards and 6 tds while we're running the ball 11/14 plays and using our qb as a rb, then our best receiver as a rb too. Kyle is obviously one of the best offensive minds in football but geez it's not hard. Get some speed and toss it down the field.

Tua threw for 400 yards and 6 TDs because Miami was down 35-14 in the 3rd quarter.

I think the point is that's the way the NFL is going. The rules are more friendly than ever for pass offense. This is reflected in QB metrics like rating which go up annually. Yet here we are the one team in the NFL investing 3 ones in QB power.

I truly don't think John and Kyle drafted Trey to be a power runner. I think this year they were running him a little more because of where he was in his development. I think if he started the entire season you would see substantial improvement each week.

Were/are any of you supervisors or managers with people under you? Have you ever had to manage someone for 2+ years? Would you say that the people you supervise and essentially mentored became better workers and people over time? I think we were seeing that with Trey. He's that raw employee you got and year 1 you were like I dunno about this guy. Then boom he turns it around and you start winning awards

100% he was drafted for QB power. That and the fakes off of it. This is what NDSU did so well and it's what Shanahan dreamed of.

If that really is the case it's the dumbest decision in the history of the San Francisco 49ers that I am aware of

A bunch of people have been saying that for a while

If this is true Shanahan should be fired tomorrow. That gimick crap isn't working in the NFL. I envisioned Kyle using trey as a passer with some runs sprinkled in if the play broke down. I don't know what the f**k Kyle was calling.

Those mind-altering drugs must be really good.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
start of next year trey will still only be 23. for reference that is the age burrow was when he started his rookie season

By the 2024 offseason, or end of next season, the Niners will need to decide whether to exercise the 5th year option or not for Trey Lance. It is coming up very quickly.

Won't have enough time to determine whether he is worth the 50 million a year. They will have to gamble and if it doesn't work out it will be a 5 year mistake to rebuild.

It honestly may already be tear down time though by 2024 so it might not matter.

Sb windows small.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
start of next year trey will still only be 23. for reference that is the age burrow was when he started his rookie season

By the 2024 offseason, or end of next season, the Niners will need to decide whether to exercise the 5th year option or not for Trey Lance. It is coming up very quickly.

I agree it's the contract that matters. That's what we were told win on the rookie deal. He will have as many years as starts.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
start of next year trey will still only be 23. for reference that is the age burrow was when he started his rookie season

By the 2024 offseason, or end of next season, the Niners will need to decide whether to exercise the 5th year option or not for Trey Lance. It is coming up very quickly.

I agree it's the contract that matters. That's what we were told win on the rookie deal. He will have as many years as starts.

That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Feel really bad for the kid, just very unfortunate. You can watch all the film you want, but you need real game experience to become a better passer and that won't be happening while rehabbing an injury. It will be very interesting to see how shanalynch will handle this situation moving forward.