Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Drafting a mobile QB is great for having that ability to evade a pass.rush and make plays happen, extend plays ala Russell Wilson. Not to use them as a jack hammer into the heart of the defense.

He is supposed to be a QB first, a very expensive one at that. Over the last 1,000 days, Trey has had played in only six games. In four of the starts he has not been given the chance to grow as a passer and he has twice been injured, coaching malpractice for sure.

The team blew the 2021 draft. If you drafted a kid that can't pass well and you gave up that much draft capital to get him, you gotta let him get his passing reps.

Running should be a second thought because A it's dangerous and B it comes more naturally to him anyways. What was he teaching him?

It's obvious Kyle didn't trust him throwing the ball because a rusty Jimmy comes in and they are slinging it around. Now who's responsibility is it to have Trey prepared?

I keep hearing this is a blessing in disguise, no, it isn't. He will be a 3rd year rookie without having been able to demonstrate his passing ability. He is still a QB who played 1 year of FCS ball, last starting there in 2019, I believe because of COVID. Yikes.

When he comes back, Kyle calling more run plays for him than normal again isn't going to help. What can we expect Kyle to "Teach Him" next year? I like the win today but I don't like how the team went about it, so haphazard with Trey's health.

Kyle will be sure to smash his other ankle when he gets the chance

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I agree it's the contract that matters. That's what we were told win on the rookie deal. He will have as many years as starts.

It's really not too concerning yet. He still has two more years on this deal, plus the 5th year option. If he's still the starter in 2025 that likely means he's playing well enough to pay him, which means he's improved as hoped and is winning.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I agree it's the contract that matters. That's what we were told win on the rookie deal. He will have as many years as starts.

It's really not too concerning yet. He still has two more years on this deal, plus the 5th year option. If he's still the starter in 2025 that likely means he's playing well enough to pay him, which means he's improved as hoped and is winning.

Agreed and thanks for the reasonable take.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I agree it's the contract that matters. That's what we were told win on the rookie deal. He will have as many years as starts.

It's really not too concerning yet. He still has two more years on this deal, plus the 5th year option. If he's still the starter in 2025 that likely means he's playing well enough to pay him, which means he's improved as hoped and is winning.

How well will TL have to do in 2023 for the team to exercise the 5th year option? What is the likelihood TL will do enough in 2023 for the 49ers to exercise? These are very tough questions. I am not as optimistic as you.

With Treys injury, it might actually be the best thing this season when they still have Jimmy on a cheap deal, no more QB drama and extra pressure and more time for Trey to mature and learn, he's only 22.

For Jimmy, this is the best roster and scenario as no other team really came up wanting to trade for him, but if he fails again with a SB roster like this, that's on him again, next year he most likely will not be resigned again so this is his last good chance to win a SB. The team can dedicate a SB run to Trey and send Jimmy away for good but on a good note hopefully with a SB win.. I meant he already choked once in the SB and was at the NFCC just last year until he ran out of luck, maybe this year the better D helps make the difference to overcome Jimmy's shortcomings which would have been Treys inexperience, kind of the same deal in the end regardless who was QB, that's why Lynch and KS brought Jimmy back to have the insurance in case Trey gets injured (funny due to inexperience and risk of injury due to the way Trey run..).

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I agree it's the contract that matters. That's what we were told win on the rookie deal. He will have as many years as starts.

It's really not too concerning yet. He still has two more years on this deal, plus the 5th year option. If he's still the starter in 2025 that likely means he's playing well enough to pay him, which means he's improved as hoped and is winning.

How well will TL have to do in 2023 for the team to exercise the 5th year option? What is the likelihood TL will do enough in 2023 for the 49ers to exercise? These are very tough questions. I am not as optimistic as you.

Optimism is the only way to look at it, IMO. All being cynical will do in the meantime is cause worrying over things out of one's control.

Next year will take care of itself in due time. There will be an entire offseason of additional moves in 2023 and 2024 to plan for and react to whatever happens in the 2023 season. Right now Lance is still the best bet because of his age and potential. If he plays the entire 2023 season it should be pretty clear to pick up his 5th year or not, or even work on an extension. Won't know until we're in that moment, though.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
How well will TL have to do in 2023 for the team to exercise the 5th year option? What is the likelihood TL will do enough in 2023 for the 49ers to exercise? These are very tough questions. I am not as optimistic as you.

Just has to be healthy and have a jimmy G type season which means just have an average season. Then give him a 10 year deal worth #20 Million a season and so when he becomes elite he will be a huge bargain.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Drafting a mobile QB is great for having that ability to evade a pass.rush and make plays happen, extend plays ala Russell Wilson. Not to use them as a jack hammer into the heart of the defense.

He is supposed to be a QB first, a very expensive one at that. Over the last 1,000 days, Trey has had played in only six games. In four of the starts he has not been given the chance to grow as a passer and he has twice been injured, coaching malpractice for sure.

The team blew the 2021 draft. If you drafted a kid that can't pass well and you gave up that much draft capital to get him, you gotta let him get his passing reps.

Running should be a second thought because A it's dangerous and B it comes more naturally to him anyways. What was he teaching him?

It's obvious Kyle didn't trust him throwing the ball because a rusty Jimmy comes in and they are slinging it around. Now who's responsibility is it to have Trey prepared?

I keep hearing this is a blessing in disguise, no, it isn't. He will be a 3rd year rookie without having been able to demonstrate his passing ability. He is still a QB who played 1 year of FCS ball, last starting there in 2019, I believe because of COVID. Yikes.

When he comes back, Kyle calling more run plays for him than normal again isn't going to help. What can we expect Kyle to "Teach Him" next year? I like the win today but I don't like how the team went about it, so haphazard with Trey's health.

He's a major long shot at this point. Probably not going to work out.

Kyle you suck. This is on you 100%. Awful coaching and management of a top 3 pick

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Drafting a mobile QB is great for having that ability to evade a pass.rush and make plays happen, extend plays ala Russell Wilson. Not to use them as a jack hammer into the heart of the defense.

He is supposed to be a QB first, a very expensive one at that. Over the last 1,000 days, Trey has had played in only six games. In four of the starts he has not been given the chance to grow as a passer and he has twice been injured, coaching malpractice for sure.

The team blew the 2021 draft. If you drafted a kid that can't pass well and you gave up that much draft capital to get him, you gotta let him get his passing reps.

Running should be a second thought because A it's dangerous and B it comes more naturally to him anyways. What was he teaching him?

It's obvious Kyle didn't trust him throwing the ball because a rusty Jimmy comes in and they are slinging it around. Now who's responsibility is it to have Trey prepared?

I keep hearing this is a blessing in disguise, no, it isn't. He will be a 3rd year rookie without having been able to demonstrate his passing ability. He is still a QB who played 1 year of FCS ball, last starting there in 2019, I believe because of COVID. Yikes.

When he comes back, Kyle calling more run plays for him than normal again isn't going to help. What can we expect Kyle to "Teach Him" next year? I like the win today but I don't like how the team went about it, so haphazard with Trey's health.

He's a major long shot at this point. Probably not going to work out.

Obviously he didn't trust Trey to pass the ball. Hopefully Trey can develop next year but I don't have faith in Kyle to develop as a passer. Didn't even give him a chance

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Drafting a mobile QB is great for having that ability to evade a pass.rush and make plays happen, extend plays ala Russell Wilson. Not to use them as a jack hammer into the heart of the defense.

He is supposed to be a QB first, a very expensive one at that. Over the last 1,000 days, Trey has had played in only six games. In four of the starts he has not been given the chance to grow as a passer and he has twice been injured, coaching malpractice for sure.

The team blew the 2021 draft. If you drafted a kid that can't pass well and you gave up that much draft capital to get him, you gotta let him get his passing reps.

Running should be a second thought because A it's dangerous and B it comes more naturally to him anyways. What was he teaching him?

It's obvious Kyle didn't trust him throwing the ball because a rusty Jimmy comes in and they are slinging it around. Now who's responsibility is it to have Trey prepared?

I keep hearing this is a blessing in disguise, no, it isn't. He will be a 3rd year rookie without having been able to demonstrate his passing ability. He is still a QB who played 1 year of FCS ball, last starting there in 2019, I believe because of COVID. Yikes.

When he comes back, Kyle calling more run plays for him than normal again isn't going to help. What can we expect Kyle to "Teach Him" next year? I like the win today but I don't like how the team went about it, so haphazard with Trey's health.

He's a major long shot at this point. Probably not going to work out.

Obviously he didn't trust Trey to pass the ball. Hopefully Trey can develop next year but I don't have faith in Kyle to develop him as a passer. Didn't even give him a chance

I have my doubts about it as well.

Originally posted by Method:
Kyle you suck. This is on you 100%. Awful coaching and management of a top 3 pick

Not the first top 3 QB pick he's run into the ground.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Originally posted by Method:
Kyle you suck. This is on you 100%. Awful coaching and management of a top 3 pick

Yup.. and if only it was a one year high pick.. we gave up three years worth of first rounders.. correct me if I am wrong but I don't think any player in 49ers history had as much draft capital tied up as Trey Lance.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Method:
Kyle you suck. This is on you 100%. Awful coaching and management of a top 3 pick

Not the first top 3 QB pick he's run into the ground.

It doesn't look like he was worth a top 3 pick. Certainly we gave up too much.