Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Nice moving of the goal posts.

We all knew the passing game would be increased *gradually*. Lance wasn't gonna pass for 30+ times a game, unless the team got down big in a game.

This fan base has zero patience.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Nice moving of the goal posts.

We all knew the passing game would be increased *gradually*. Lance wasn't gonna pass for 30+ times a game, unless the team got down big in a game.

This fan base has zero patience.

Moving the goal posts, really. Expecting your coach not to kill his quarterback. Expecting someone who's team invested a ton of capital on to develop as a passer. He wasn't even given a chance.

In AZ Kyle got him injured. He got the snot knocked out of him in Chicago once or twice. Now he's done for the year and the coach isn't responsible?

This is malpractice. This isn't coaching. He didn't teach him Jack squat. What, how to lower his shoulder?

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Developing Trey is an ongoing work in progress at this stage of his career, even more so given his limited experience. Having him run the ball isn't hindering that development either.

Talk of "failure" is beyond silly. You have seen one game, where weather conditions wreaked havoc, plus a drive and a half of Trey Lance in 2022. Hardly a sample size.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Developing Trey is an ongoing work in progress at this stage of his career, even more so given his limited experience. Having him run the ball isn't hindering that development either.

Talk of "failure" is beyond silly. You have seen one game, where weather conditions wreaked havoc, plus a drive and a half of Trey Lance in 2022. Hardly a sample size.

I never said he was bad. I said he wasn't even given a chance because his coach ran him into the ground.

You don't develop as a passer, reading defenses, etc by being a jackhammer, just saying. You need time throwing. I feel like you guys are just talking but not listening. Coach Kyle hasn't taught him anything in a year plus apparently. How to be a bowling ball?

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Nice moving of the goal posts.

We all knew the passing game would be increased *gradually*. Lance wasn't gonna pass for 30+ times a game, unless the team got down big in a game.

This fan base has zero patience.

Moving the goal posts, really. Expecting your coach not to kill his quarterback. Expecting someone who's team invested a ton of capital on to develop as a passer. He wasn't even given a chance.

In AZ Kyle got him injured. He got the snot knocked out of him in Chicago once or twice. Now he's done for the year and the coach isn't responsible?

This is malpractice. This isn't coaching. He didn't teach him Jack squat. What, how to lower his shoulder?

Hyperbole much? Malpractice? LOL

You guys are unreal. QBs are expected to run option plays in the NFL in 2022. Especially ones that can take the ball themselves as an equal threat to the RB like Lance can. Hell, Jimmy G ran one today as well. It's part of the game. Just like WRs are asked to go over the middle.

Jackson rushed 9 times today. Fields ran 8 times. Allen ran 10 times in their opening week win. Even Rodgers ran 5 times today, with at least one right up the gut into the DL that I saw.

If you think Lance isn't running the option in 2023 you're kidding yourself. That doesn't mean he can't eventually progress to being a more reliable passer; it just means he's at an earlier part of the journey still.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Nice moving of the goal posts.

We all knew the passing game would be increased *gradually*. Lance wasn't gonna pass for 30+ times a game, unless the team got down big in a game.

This fan base has zero patience.

Moving the goal posts, really. Expecting your coach not to kill his quarterback. Expecting someone who's team invested a ton of capital on to develop as a passer. He wasn't even given a chance.

In AZ Kyle got him injured. He got the snot knocked out of him in Chicago once or twice. Now he's done for the year and the coach isn't responsible?

This is malpractice. This isn't coaching. He didn't teach him Jack squat. What, how to lower his shoulder?

Hyperbole much? Malpractice? LOL

You guys are unreal. QBs are expected to run option plays in the NFL in 2022. Especially ones that can take the ball themselves as an equal threat to the QB like Lance can. Hell, Jimmy G ran one today as well. It's part of the game. Just like WRs are asked to go over the middle.

Jackson rushed 9 times today. Fields ran 8 times. Allen ran 10 times in their opening week win. Even Rodgers ran 5 times today, with at least one right up the gut into the DL that I saw.

If you think Lance isn't running the option in 2023 you're kidding yourself. That doesn't mean he can't eventually progress to being a more reliable passer; it just means he's at an earlier part of the journey still.

Hyperbole, not really. That journey has been cut short because his coach got him injured in 2 of his 4 starts. He can't coach worth a darn sometimes because he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Developing Trey is an ongoing work in progress at this stage of his career, even more so given his limited experience. Having him run the ball isn't hindering that development either.

Talk of "failure" is beyond silly. You have seen one game, where weather conditions wreaked havoc, plus a drive and a half of Trey Lance in 2022. Hardly a sample size.

I never said he was bad. I said he wasn't even given a chance because his coach ran him into the ground.

You don't develop as a passer, reading defenses, etc by being a jackhammer, just saying. You need time throwing. I feel like you guys are just talking but not listening. Coach Kyle hasn't taught him anything in a year plus apparently. How to be a bowling ball?

You also cannot throw it on every single offensive snap.

By using Trey's skillet and ability as a runner, it adds a dimension to the offense that we don't have with Jimmy, and defenses have to account for that. Forcing the opposing defenses to account for and defend against 11 offensive players on the field can actually benefit Trey as a passer.

BTW, Lance had 16 snaps in those 2 drives before the injury.

3 pass attempts (2/3 for 30 yards)
3 rush attempts
10 rush attempts by Wilson/TDP/Deebo

Thats really not that outrageous of a split for a young QB in his 4th start, particularly when it's option plays and both drives were moving the chains.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Developing Trey is an ongoing work in progress at this stage of his career, even more so given his limited experience. Having him run the ball isn't hindering that development either.

Talk of "failure" is beyond silly. You have seen one game, where weather conditions wreaked havoc, plus a drive and a half of Trey Lance in 2022. Hardly a sample size.

I never said he was bad. I said he wasn't even given a chance because his coach ran him into the ground.

You don't develop as a passer, reading defenses, etc by being a jackhammer, just saying. You need time throwing. I feel like you guys are just talking but not listening. Coach Kyle hasn't taught him anything in a year plus apparently. How to be a bowling ball?

You also cannot throw it on every single offensive snap.

By using Trey's skillet and ability as a runner, it adds a dimension to the offense that we don't have with Jimmy, and defenses have to account for that. Forcing the opposing defenses to account for and defend against 11 offensive players on the field can actually benefit Trey as a passer.

Yah that really showed Seattle. SMH. Let's just agree to disagree. You think Shanahan was fine on his play calls and I think he got his QB smoked with poor play calling. We will never be on the same page.

Originally posted by captveg:
BTW, Lance had 16 snaps in those 2 drives before the injury.

3 pass attempts (2/3 for 30 yards)
3 rush attempts
10 rush attempts by Wilson/TDP/Deebo

Thats really not that outrageous of a split for a young QB in his 4th start, particularly when it's option plays and both drives were moving the chains.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Hyperbole, not really. That journey has been cut short because his coach got him injured in 2 of his 4 starts. He can't coach worth a darn sometimes because he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

It's not cut short, just postponed. He's not having his leg amputated.

Trey Lance is still very much alive and very much a ripe 22. He'll be very much alive and a still very young 23 for the next season opener.

I know, I know, Shanahan is the worst 49er coach of all time now. Too bad for you Jed York loves him and is probably never firing him for the reason you want him to.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is just Shanny apologist talk. Lamar Jackson ran it the most in league history, running just over 11 times a game. Trey was averaging 12.3 a game! Josh Allen had run it that much 5 times in his career, not always. Shanahan was straight up deflecting.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
That is why it was irresponsible to be so haphazard with his health right now. He was on pace to break an NFL records for QB runs in a game. More than Lamar Jackson the year he broke the record. But Shanahan says, everyone is doing it. BS.

Again :

Allen had 32 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lance has 37 carries in his first 3 starts.
Lamar had 54 carries in his first 3 starts.

Hmmmm. They were all more both more accomplished passers in their respective college carrers as well. More passing experience, No? Apples to Apples, not a chance.

Trey knows how to run the ball. He needed help developing as a PASSER, Kyle has proved to everyone that he failed at that.

Developing Trey is an ongoing work in progress at this stage of his career, even more so given his limited experience. Having him run the ball isn't hindering that development either.

Talk of "failure" is beyond silly. You have seen one game, where weather conditions wreaked havoc, plus a drive and a half of Trey Lance in 2022. Hardly a sample size.

I never said he was bad. I said he wasn't even given a chance because his coach ran him into the ground.

You don't develop as a passer, reading defenses, etc by being a jackhammer, just saying. You need time throwing. I feel like you guys are just talking but not listening. Coach Kyle hasn't taught him anything in a year plus apparently. How to be a bowling ball?

You also cannot throw it on every single offensive snap.

By using Trey's skillet and ability as a runner, it adds a dimension to the offense that we don't have with Jimmy, and defenses have to account for that. Forcing the opposing defenses to account for and defend against 11 offensive players on the field can actually benefit Trey as a passer.

Yah that really showed Seattle. SMH. Let's just agree to disagree. You think Shanahan was fine on his play calls and I think he got his QB smoked with poor play calling. We will never be on the same page.

A drive and a half into the game....

Smh

Trey doesn't strike me as a natural runner in the first place, I think that was Shanahan's biggest miscalculation. He's slight, runs high, is not particularly elusive or limber, not as agile and compact as Lamar or as stocky as Allen. Mobility will always be apart of his game because he's above average athletically for a QB, but having him run as much as he did was foolish and asking for trouble.

I think his real potential lies far more in his passing ability and his calm pocket awareness.

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:
Trey doesn't strike me as a natural runner in the first place, I think that was Shanahan's biggest miscalculation. He's slight, runs high, not particularly elusive, not as agile and compact as Lamar or as stocky as Allen. Mobility will always be apart of his game, but having him run as much as he did was foolish and asking for trouble.

I think his real potential lies far more in his passing ability and his calm pocket awareness.

He definitely runs too high, which is partly why his foot was in the position it was to get injured the way it did. Needs to lean forward and lower more when taking that contact.

His pass potential is there. Another 3-4 starts and it should start ticking up as he reacts faster to his defensive reads.

16 snaps in a clean game this season just isn't gonna move the needle for him, unfortunately. Try again next year and in the meantime the team will have to continue to play hard with Jimmy for this season.