Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
I think the 9ers have the same situation going forward like in Washington, Trey is like RG3, high risk high reward, and Purdy might be like Kirk Cousins once Jimmy is gone.. we'll see what happens next season once Jimmy is off the team what happens going forward with QB position..

I like Purdy, but expecting him to become a Pro Bowl QB is quite the stretch.

Stranger things have happened, but if I'm placing bets I'm expecting Lance to improve to being a dynamic QB more than I am expecting that of Purdy.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by thl408:

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With JD and Thl on here, I loved JD's breakdown on how Trey aids the running game. The issue is his runs are im volume and into the teeth of a very large and active front 7 and in the teeth of the defense, there isn't a whole lot of space to slide or protect yourself.

And was it needed? We had 189 yards rushing on 4.2 ypc. Wilson alone was averaging 4.7 ypc.

113 of those rushing yards came when Trey was in at QB at almost 9 YPC. Only 76 yards rushing the rest of the game at 2.3 YPC.

That shows what a mobile QB can do. When the D has to account for the QB it makes it a little easier for the other backs.

It doesn't mean he actually needs to run at that volume or into the front 7. He simply needs to add a threat of it. He had 13 carries last week on 54 yards. No defense is game planning around that "threat."

That's what TDP is for.

So what's the right amount of carries? Five? Eight? He could have gotten injured on his first carry or while standing in the pocket.

He may not be built for any amount of designed runs.

Henhurt his knee last year and missed games.

Kyle's BFF called it earlier this season. Trey doesn't protect himself and takes too many unnessary hits. In college he could get away with it being the biggest, strongest and fastest but that play style in the NFL has consequences.

Yeah Lance has a problem with not protecting himself when he can. I'm not referring specifically about the play where he got injured, just in general. He's like RG3 in that way.
I never had a problem with Kyle using Lance as a runner but I do cringe every time Lance would lower his pads as he's about to get tackled. Slide feet first, or go headfirst but 1 second sooner while getting 1-2 less yards would be fine alternative options.

KS only calls the play, no one else tells Trey how to run it or take a slide for his own protection and preservation, that 1 silde Trey did in the preseason, Trey admitted it was the first time ever says all. Trey better have learned this lesson if he wants to comeback and have a long career..

KS cannt physically force Trey to protect himself but he can coach him to play differently and it's clear that hasn't been an important part of his development plan.

Nah, every player has his own style of play controlled only by themselves on the field, especially in the NFL, it's up to them to be smart and play smart given the play call especially on offense. Example: GOATS: Brady and Rice, they never take unnecessary damage from defenders..

Originally posted by thl408:
There is an option to give to the RB on that play. They called this play vs HOU in 2021. I remember because on that HOU play, Lance gave it to the RB when he should have kept.

Kyle Shanahan:

"There's a few options on the play, it could have been a handoff. The defensive end went up on the play, it's the exact same play we ran three plays before that, where [WR] Deebo [Samuel] got a 52-yarder., so there's a lot of stuff that goes into it. And nickel, there's not a play out there where there's not a linebacker on the field, so that really doesn't change anything."

The assessment of the pick changes over time as new info comes in.. and we got a LOT of new info.

If we stand pat, we have Parsons and Cole Strange. Parsons is a step away from Bosa, Watt. Strange would fill a huge need. We would also look forward to a first rounder next year.

Would love to know the internal discussions that led to the TL pick. I've seen Johnny with a great post talking about it's all about 11 v 11 football and the threat of the QB run. Thing is.. I haven't seen TL look that good running the football. Martz called TL stumbling around like a fullback. Lot of ppl hated on him for saying it.. I don't think he has any personal axe to grind.. just watched the Bears game and doesn't like his ability to move with the football. I agree he never looks threatening running the ball he looks slow.

None of this is against TL he did no wrong.. it's questioning the decisions we made in the 2021 draft. We seem to have gotten this wrong on too many different levels to count.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

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Originally posted by NCommand:

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Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NCommand:
With JD and Thl on here, I loved JD's breakdown on how Trey aids the running game. The issue is his runs are im volume and into the teeth of a very large and active front 7 and in the teeth of the defense, there isn't a whole lot of space to slide or protect yourself.

And was it needed? We had 189 yards rushing on 4.2 ypc. Wilson alone was averaging 4.7 ypc.

113 of those rushing yards came when Trey was in at QB at almost 9 YPC. Only 76 yards rushing the rest of the game at 2.3 YPC.

That shows what a mobile QB can do. When the D has to account for the QB it makes it a little easier for the other backs.

It doesn't mean he actually needs to run at that volume or into the front 7. He simply needs to add a threat of it. He had 13 carries last week on 54 yards. No defense is game planning around that "threat."

That's what TDP is for.

So what's the right amount of carries? Five? Eight? He could have gotten injured on his first carry or while standing in the pocket.

He may not be built for any amount of designed runs.

Henhurt his knee last year and missed games.

Kyle's BFF called it earlier this season. Trey doesn't protect himself and takes too many unnessary hits. In college he could get away with it being the biggest, strongest and fastest but that play style in the NFL has consequences.

Yeah Lance has a problem with not protecting himself when he can. I'm not referring specifically about the play where he got injured, just in general. He's like RG3 in that way.
I never had a problem with Kyle using Lance as a runner but I do cringe every time Lance would lower his pads as he's about to get tackled. Slide feet first, or go headfirst but 1 second sooner while getting 1-2 less yards would be fine alternative options.

I think on most of the designed runs up the middle, sliding wasn't really an option with so much traffic.

Sliding works in the open field.

That's my biggest point. It's not like our defense preparing for Kyler Murray because he's a threat outside. Defenses don't prepare for Trey that way.

The front 7's are already playing down hill and gearing up for run defense against us with a full head of steam. If they get to tattoo a QB that's just a bonus for them. I know thl is talking about when he actually has the opportunity to do so, he still doesn't but in the style he's used for running like you said, there's not a lot of opportunity to see all the defenders let alone have the space and time to get in a safe position.

If we can't even keep our RB's healthy, why did fans think we'd keep our QB safely in the exact same position?

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
I think the 9ers have the same situation going forward like in Washington, Trey is like RG3, high risk high reward, and Purdy might be like Kirk Cousins once Jimmy is gone.. we'll see what happens next season once Jimmy is off the team what happens going forward with QB position..

I like Purdy, but expecting him to become a Pro Bowl QB is quite the stretch.

Stranger things have happened, but if I'm placing bets I'm expecting Lance to improve to being a dynamic QB more than I am expecting that of Purdy.

Idk, Purdy seemed to be a decent prospect to sit and develop to possibly become a NFL starter 1 day, better than all of other QBs they drafted and brought in since KS and Lynch took over, Mullens CJ etc... all backup at best garbage.. if Trey was to get hurt next year again and beyond once Jimmy is gone, who knows Purdy might be the answer for the long term for KS as long as he's the 9er HC, you never know.. can't hurt to have as many starting QB talent on your team as you can have and to develop for the future or trade purposes, look at Montana and Young before Montana was shipped out..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Would love to know the internal discussions that led to the TL pick. I've seen Johnny with a great post talking about it's all about 11 v 11 football and the threat of the QB run. Thing is.. I haven't seen TL look that good running the football.
None of this is against TL he did no wrong.. it's questioning the decisions we made in the 2021 draft. We seem to have gotten this wrong on too many different levels to count.

Still far too early to know. Only 263 snaps for Lance in his career so far.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Would love to know the internal discussions that led to the TL pick. I've seen Johnny with a great post talking about it's all about 11 v 11 football and the threat of the QB run. Thing is.. I haven't seen TL look that good running the football.
None of this is against TL he did no wrong.. it's questioning the decisions we made in the 2021 draft. We seem to have gotten this wrong on too many different levels to count.

Still far too early to know. Only 263 snaps for Lance in his career so far.

It's not too early to know how he looks as a runner. You can't study the playbook to gain speed and playmaking with the ball in your hands. You got it or you don't. Tebow as an example house called from 40 yards out his first game. Fields house called vs us last year. One look at Kyler Murray or Lamar and you go wow they can fly. If we are drafting a run first QB and flipping three ones.. yeah I expect he looks at least kinda threatening running the ball. TL doesn't. I don't think busting his ankle and rehabbing will fix that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Would love to know the internal discussions that led to the TL pick. I've seen Johnny with a great post talking about it's all about 11 v 11 football and the threat of the QB run. Thing is.. I haven't seen TL look that good running the football.
None of this is against TL he did no wrong.. it's questioning the decisions we made in the 2021 draft. We seem to have gotten this wrong on too many different levels to count.

Still far too early to know. Only 263 snaps for Lance in his career so far.

It's not too early to know how he looks as a runner. You can't study the playbook to gain speed and playmaking with the ball in your hands. You got it or you don't. Tebow as an example house called from 40 yards out his first game. Fields house called vs us last year. One look at Kyler Murray or Lamar and you go wow they can fly. If we are drafting a run first QB and flipping three ones.. yeah I expect he looks at least kinda threatening running the ball. TL doesn't. I don't think busting his ankle and rehabbing will fix that.

Ultimately, he just needs to run well enough to be a threat to do so. If Lance is to become a quality starting NFL QB it will be because he eventually improves the quickness of his decision making and short/intermediate accuracy in the passing game. Leaning more into his run ability early on was not the end goal, but the starting point. We'll see what happens in 2023 to move him along that path. Here's to him recovering and improving as his snap count goes up.

Originally posted by captveg:
Ultimately, he just needs to run well enough to be a threat to do so. If Lance is to become a quality starting NFL QB it will be because he eventually improves the quickness of his decision making and short/intermediate accuracy in the passing game. Leaning more into his run ability early on was not the end goal, but the starting point. We'll see what happens in 2023 to move him along that path. Here's to him recovering and improving as his snap count goes up.

So we spent three ones for a run threat.. and he doesn't run that well.. just needs to run "well enough".. that's comically bad. I thought we were getting a Mahomes rocket arm type player who could give you the off schedule everything is covered free run yards with a nice slide at the end. It's been explained to me nope we flipped three runs for a run threat.. who isn't that threatening with the ball in his hands.. and we are gonna run him into heavy contact a lot. It blows my mind we did this.

Guys Jimmy gonna win a Super Bowl, get a first round draft pick for him and Lance will take it from there.

Odds are against him now. 3 years in a row with minimal football. It's highly likely he is never effective again and likely he will never be an NFL starter at this point.

It's sad. It's Marcus lattimore 2.0 but it happens.

Hopefully he fully recovers and doesn't have any permanent problems.

I do not think shanahan is a good QB coach. I think he's going to just run him in power again if he recovers.

He needs careful tailoring to force him to throw and only take what's given to him. He is not big enough athletic enough to be used how he was.

I am off the lance wagon. Cut your losses. Lets just call it a mistake.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Odds are against him now. 3 years in a row with minimal football. It's highly likely he is never effective again and likely he will never be an NFL starter at this point.

It's sad. It's Marcus lattimore 2.0 but it happens.

Hopefully he fully recovers and doesn't have any permanent problems.

I do not think shanahan is a good QB coach. I think he's going to just run him in power again if he recovers.

He needs careful tailoring to force him to throw and only take what's given to him. He is not big enough athletic enough to be used how he was.

A lot of good points there.

Originally posted by NDSU:
I am off the lance wagon. Cut your losses. Lets just call it a mistake.

That was quick