Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
You.could also argue that Shanahan even said with his own words, "Trey is not Lamar". So why run him more? Trey was averaging 12.3 runs a game and was already injured once vs AZ last year where Kyle ran him too much.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Nobody said don't run Trey. Sporadic, mixed in with the passing game because he is, you know...a quarterback? Throwing is his first responsibility.

Yet throwing wasn't his 1st strength. Throwing isn't what got him drafted #3 overall.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
You.could also argue that Shanahan even said with his own words, "Trey is not Lamar". So why run him more? Trey was averaging 12.3 runs a game and was already injured once vs AZ last year where Kyle ran him too much.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Nobody said don't run Trey. Sporadic, mixed in with the passing game because he is, you know...a quarterback? Throwing is his first responsibility.

Yet throwing wasn't his 1st strength. Throwing isn't what got him drafted #3 overall.

The guy who had 30 collegiate touchdown passes and 1 collegiate interception? OK.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
I wanted to see the kid pass.

Was that too much to ask for?

Apparently a lot of people predicted 57 QB power plays a game with Trey

The sad thing is we kind of saw it coming. The preseason games were fairly telling that offense did not look wildly different than when Jimmy was at the helm.

Everybody just makes the classic assumption we're saving our good offense for the regular season.

I hope he recovers well and does not end up with too much pain.

Ruined just like Alex Smith. Good job 49ers.

Originally posted by NDSU:
I am off the lance wagon. Cut your losses. Lets just call it a mistake.

Like you're the HC or GM to make a call 🤣

Just be glad even with QB1 and RB1 down and TE1 downed also yet the team still going to have a chance to win on Sundays thanks to KS and Lynch.

And also be glad there is NO MORE QB drama or controversy and extra pressure from it going forward this season, the team and coaching staff can actually concentrate and focus on going for another SB run and nothing else.

Unevolved = entitled, egotistical and ungrateful.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
You.could also argue that Shanahan even said with his own words, "Trey is not Lamar". So why run him more? Trey was averaging 12.3 runs a game and was already injured once vs AZ last year where Kyle ran him too much.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Nobody said don't run Trey. Sporadic, mixed in with the passing game because he is, you know...a quarterback? Throwing is his first responsibility.

Yet throwing wasn't his 1st strength. Throwing isn't what got him drafted #3 overall.

The guy who had 30 collegiate touchdown passes and 1 collegiate interception? OK.

He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
https://youtu.be/09PXasoR2sI

similar injury to Dak in 2020 and Trey didn't cry like a big baby like Dak 🤣
Dak came back and took the cowgirls to the playoff last season no problem but loses to Jimmy G at home last season 🤣

Trey is only 22, he will be back next season healthy and Jimmy G will very likely be gone and hopefully a SB winner, payback for all the money he already taken from the 9ers and will be earning the incentives if he does go far this season with the 9ers.

Can't really blame KS for running Trey, Lamar Jackson had 9 rushes for 119 yds and a TD just yesterday, running the ball is one of "young" Treys forte. I would blame Evil Pete and the seachickens more than anything for toxic coaching to hurt 9er players at all cost just to win, Pete is that evil and deserve to lose and retire in shame now Wilson isn't in Seattle anymore.

You.could also argue that Shanahan even said with his own words, "Trey is not Lamar". So why run him more? Trey was averaging 12.3 runs a game and was already injured once vs AZ last year where Kyle ran him too much.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Nobody said don't run Trey. Sporadic, mixed in with the passing game because he is, you know...a quarterback? Throwing is his first responsibility.

Minimally Kyle sends mixed messages about how to use an athletic QB

Also seems like there is very little responsibility taken when it comes to protecting Trey's health on the field or teaching him how to protect himself

Originally posted by NDSU:
I am off the lance wagon. Cut your losses. Lets just call it a mistake.

At this point it was. Highly likely he doesn't make it. Everything about it. Missed 3 years by the time he starts. He struggles to read the field. Doesn't throw an accurate ball. Bad mechanics. Not nearly as fast as advertised. The chances of him turning into the next big star QB are just so unlikely. It's a massive long shot at this point. People need to face reality here.

So, we traded 3 1st round picks because our starting qb couldn't stay healthy and consistently lost with backup qbs. Finally get to play the new qb but use him recklessly as a battering ram leading to season ending injury. Unfortunately that sums it up for me with plenty of question marks at qb after this year.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
You.could also argue that Shanahan even said with his own words, "Trey is not Lamar". So why run him more? Trey was averaging 12.3 runs a game and was already injured once vs AZ last year where Kyle ran him too much.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Nobody said don't run Trey. Sporadic, mixed in with the passing game because he is, you know...a quarterback? Throwing is his first responsibility.

Yet throwing wasn't his 1st strength. Throwing isn't what got him drafted #3 overall.

The guy who had 30 collegiate touchdown passes and 1 collegiate interception? OK.

This. The guy can throw a football. He wasn't drafted for his running ability bc noone saw him as a Lamar. He was drafted bc he was a passer who could run. Unfortunately Kyle sees him as a fullback who can throw when needed. The only way to get better is by playing and unfortunately he hasn't played more than 19 quarters of regular season foot since 2019 and won't get the chance to play again until September 2023.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by NDSU:
I am off the lance wagon. Cut your losses. Lets just call it a mistake.

Like you're the HC or GM to make a call 🤣

Just be glad even with QB1 and RB1 down and TE1 downed also yet the team still going to have a chance to win on Sundays thanks to KS and Lynch.

And also be glad there is NO MORE QB drama or controversy and extra pressure from it going forward this season, the team and coaching staff can actually concentrate and focus on going for another SB run and nothing else.

Unevolved = entitled, egotistical and ungrateful.

Yah, but that is on the defense, where Kyle isn't coaching. Just saying. I wanted to see Trey pass the ball and be a mobile QUARTERBACK, not a FB or RB who can chuck it.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by captveg:
Ultimately, he just needs to run well enough to be a threat to do so. If Lance is to become a quality starting NFL QB it will be because he eventually improves the quickness of his decision making and short/intermediate accuracy in the passing game. Leaning more into his run ability early on was not the end goal, but the starting point. We'll see what happens in 2023 to move him along that path. Here's to him recovering and improving as his snap count goes up.

So we spent three ones for a run threat.. and he doesn't run that well.. just needs to run "well enough".. that's comically bad. I thought we were getting a Mahomes rocket arm type player who could give you the off schedule everything is covered free run yards with a nice slide at the end. It's been explained to me nope we flipped three runs for a run threat.. who isn't that threatening with the ball in his hands.. and we are gonna run him into heavy contact a lot. It blows my mind we did this.

No, we spent three ones on a guy who could run threat and has the big pass ability. The problem with Lance right now (injury aside) is his short/intermediate game, not his deep pass. He needs to improve the short/intermediate so the deep pass becomes an even bigger threat as defenders need to cover all levels. In other words, he has an imbalanced game, and needs to find a better balance in his passing game. Until he does his running will be leaned on more.

They could have him abandon his running game in order to force him to work on his short/intermediate game sooner next year. Just be ready for a lot of INTs early on if they do that.

I have yet to see him threaten anyone with his running. How on earth do you sell the farm for a run threat who doesn't actually do the one thing you want him to do?

Notice on the play he got hurt, the wide defender goes with the RB.. if it's Lamar (a bigger run threat) maybe that guy crashes and the RB gets the ball.. do you think clubs have ever been worried about TL running the ball at any point? Ppl have shown examples.. oh he made that one guy miss.. that's not a run threat. Watson vs Cincy, Tebow vs Raiders, their first games.. that was a run threat. Lamar and Vick everytime they took the field were run threats. For three ones we paid the price.. but I can't say he's a run threat I have yet to see it.

Who are we drafting at QB next year?

Jimmy might be gone and Trey will be a massive question-mark. No offense to Brock Purdy, of course.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Ruined just like Alex Smith. Good job 49ers.

Alex Smith went on to have a good career. Just not here.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by thl408:
Just rewatched the fateful play. Not a typical zone read with inside zone blocking and the QB keeper means the QB runs to the edge. I don't know what it's called.

We used to call that jet counter read. Pretty common in high school fb.

Okay thanks. It's been dialed up multiple times by the 49ers with Lance.

Its QB counter Trey, all irony aside... backside T & G pull, mesh is not a read but there to hold the backside DE from crashing down when he sees the pullers, playside blocks down, TL doesn't read because if he did the slow playing end would have caused him to give the ball to the back.... it's a designed QB run

There is an option to give to the RB on that play. They called this play vs HOU in 2021. I remember because on that HOU play, Lance gave it to the RB when he should have kept.

I don't think there was on this variant, that would have left the backside DE unblocked and could have easily tackled the back.

This is the same play(Shanahan's own words)

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Thanks for the confirmation.