Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Ruined just like Alex Smith. Good job 49ers.

Alex Smith went on to have a good career. Just not here.

I can definitely see him doing better under Daboll in New York

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I have yet to see him threaten anyone with his running. How on earth do you sell the farm for a run threat who doesn't actually do the one thing you want him to do?

Notice on the play he got hurt, the wide defender goes with the RB.. if it's Lamar (a bigger run threat) maybe that guy crashes and the RB gets the ball.. do you think clubs have ever been worried about TL running the ball at any point? Ppl have shown examples.. oh he made that one guy miss.. that's not a run threat. Watson vs Cincy, Tebow vs Raiders, their first games.. that was a run threat. Lamar and Vick everytime they took the field were run threats. For three ones we paid the price.. but I can't say he's a run threat I have yet to see it.

What's success as a runner??? He was averaging 4.2 yards per carry with several 4&1 attempts pulling that average down. That puts him 4th among qbs behind Lamar, Allen, and Marriotta. Puts him tied for 32nd in the league with Stevenson, zeke, and Raheem. He picked up like 6 first downs with his legs. Outside of being injured what would he have had to do to be a successful runner??

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

This. Kyle is trying to turn a mobile QB into Lamar Jackson. Lance is a passer who can scramble to pick up 1st downs. You don't see the Cowboys using Dak as a power back. Trey and Dak are around the same tier of mobile QBs.

Dak is also hurt

Yes he is.. but they aren't used the same way. For me it isn't about the injury. Its about the plan. Using your QB as a power back isn't a long term success. Nothing wrong with running the QB a few times a game. Even if he didn't get hurt I would question the plan

you're in luck then, he only ran 3 times

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Ruined just like Alex Smith. Good job 49ers.

Alex Smith went on to have a good career. Just not here.

I can definitely see him doing better under Daboll in New York

Lol the guy who ran Josh Allen 30+ times his first few starts in the NFL?

No compound fracture. So that's really good. Should be good next year

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
I wanted to see the kid pass.

Was that too much to ask for?

I was legit asking for that each week and all offseason. It's a passing league. This is what LET TREY SAUTE was all about. I was asking for a ton of pass attempts. Let him play let him spin it. Block it up and let it fly. If he gets hit so be it but we are protecting him each play with pass pro. If free yards are there take em and slide.

I am learning this wasn't why we selected him. We wanted him to do a lot of heavy running into front sevens. That was the plan and the reason we selected him. We basically dialed up the Tebow style offense and he's not half the runner Tebow was imo. A much better passer than Tebow but we don't really want him passing much. We spent three ones on this. What on earth..

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The guy who had 30 collegiate touchdown passes and 1 collegiate interception? OK.

Bro he was rated as the least accurate QB to be drafted so high since.....(can't remember when) but #2 on the list wasn't even close. But feel free to continue to look at the box scores and highlights to form your own opinion.

So inaccurate he broke records for passing efficiency. That's impressive.

The bolded. Google Trey Lances brief college career and you will see he was an effective passer. Where did you get the info he was not a good thrower of the football? I'd like to see that info.

If that's really the case, he was not a run first QB in college so why the heck draft him? If he's not a great passer or runner why mortgage the teams 3 1st for him?

Trey has ran 54 times in the NFL and passed 102 times. A 35% running rate .... that is not a recipe for success with a QB who isn't a Lamar level athlete

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

This. Kyle is trying to turn a mobile QB into Lamar Jackson. Lance is a passer who can scramble to pick up 1st downs. You don't see the Cowboys using Dak as a power back. Trey and Dak are around the same tier of mobile QBs.

Dak is also hurt

Yes he is.. but they aren't used the same way. For me it isn't about the injury. Its about the plan. Using your QB as a power back isn't a long term success. Nothing wrong with running the QB a few times a game. Even if he didn't get hurt I would question the plan

you're in luck then, he only ran 3 times

Yes in a first quarter he didn't even complete, averaging 12.3 runs a game and on pace to break an NFL record for runs per game. Context gentlemen, context.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I was legit asking for that each week and all offseason. It's a passing league. This is what LET TREY SAUTE was all about. I was asking for a ton of pass attempts. Let him play let him spin it. Block it up and let it fly. If he gets hit so be it but we are protecting him each play with pass pro. If free yards are there take em and slide.

I am learning this wasn't why we selected him. We wanted him to do a lot of heavy running into front sevens. That was the plan and the reason we selected him. We basically dialed up the Tebow style offense and he's not half the runner Tebow was imo. A much better passer than Tebow but we don't really want him passing much. We spent three ones on this. What on earth..

Have you considered the possibility that he's not ready for any of that and Shanahan is trying to bring him along slowly? I know, its crazy to think that a guy who has like 400 passing attempts in his entire life might require some kid glove treatment to get him to a level where he can consistently be someone that drops back and fires it off 20-25 times a game, but its quite possible that he's just not there yet?

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

This. Kyle is trying to turn a mobile QB into Lamar Jackson. Lance is a passer who can scramble to pick up 1st downs. You don't see the Cowboys using Dak as a power back. Trey and Dak are around the same tier of mobile QBs.

Dak came out of college a much more polished passer with mind you nearly 3 years of starting experience before getting drafted.

I liked the Dak comp for Trey during the draft process--stylistically, athletically, and overall ceiling. I can envision Trey's development following a similar path as Dak where he improved each season with more experience. Unfortunately, Dak got there with tons of reps. Trey hasn't been able to get those. Trey is basically where Dak was in his 2nd year at Texas A&M.

No finesse to his running game. Student body right, student body left, medical tent straight ahead.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

This. Kyle is trying to turn a mobile QB into Lamar Jackson. Lance is a passer who can scramble to pick up 1st downs. You don't see the Cowboys using Dak as a power back. Trey and Dak are around the same tier of mobile QBs.

Dak is also hurt

Yes he is.. but they aren't used the same way. For me it isn't about the injury. Its about the plan. Using your QB as a power back isn't a long term success. Nothing wrong with running the QB a few times a game. Even if he didn't get hurt I would question the plan

you're in luck then, he only ran 3 times

Yes in a first quarter he didn't even complete, averaging 12.3 runs a game and on pace to break an NFL record for runs per game. Context gentlemen, context.

Yeahhh.... by your logic the Running Back that runs on first and second down in the first possession is on pace to break the NFL record for runs per game.

Originally posted by Brucey72:
Trey has ran 54 times in the NFL and passed 102 times. A 35% running rate .... that is not a recipe for success with a QB who isn't a Lamar level athlete

Yes I agree.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
No compound fracture. So that's really good. Should be good next year

I guess best case of a bad situation. I was scared of nerves and tendons getting messed up. I'm not an ankle doctor so I don't know if that even makes sense.