Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

No one complain when Trey lead the team in rushing yards in Chicago when Mitchell went down in a monsoon.

What about Lamar Jackson yesterday leading his team with 119 yds in rushing in 9 rushes?

Injuries happens in a violent sport like football. Be glad they brought back Jimmy just for this scenario for a SB roster to have a chance for another SB run.

The blame should be on the Seachickens and evil Pete, cursed that toxic POS to hell where he belongs and wish his team shameful losing seasons and he's forced to retire and be forgotten.

Really? Nobody complained? Lance got the snot knocked out of him that game. I questioned his ability to be healthy enough that play game two after taking some brutal hits and having linebackers land on him violently.

The thong is in your guys eyes, Shanny can do no wrong. Just like Jimmy, the team was WBQB starved, Jimmy was obviously better but not good enough so it is taboo to think of anyone else throwing the hall here.

Same with Shanahan, he isn't the only coach that could successfully coach this team. He is one who had success after the likes of Singletary and Tomsula so of course he is championed here.

Without context nothing is clear. Shanahan is a great X's and O's guy and great at scheming guys open but he's too arrogant to take advice and has zero accountability. That is a bad combo.

Let's fire KS because Trey got hurt on a run when the other team was coached to hurt 9er players at all cost to win.

Pretty ridiculous 🤣

Get over it and move on. Be happy Jimmy G is still on the team can take the team far and might still have a chance to make a SB run now that the team has been upgraded evidently thanks to Lynch and KS.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I liked the Dak comp for Trey during the draft process--stylistically, athletically, and overall ceiling. I can envision Trey's development following a similar path as Dak where he improved each season with more experience. Unfortunately, Dak got there with tons of reps. Trey hasn't been able to get those.

Dak was a four year starter coming out of college and had nearly 1,200 passing attempts while playing in the SEC. I think there was much less projection going on there. He mostly fell in the draft because he was playing in the same offense as Tebow, drew a lot of comparisons to Tebow in terms of his athleticism and thus people assumed that he'd just be a guy who'd struggle to throw in the NFL because Tebow couldn't. Ignoring that he was far more polished passer than Tebow was at any time.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Yeahhh.... by your logic the Running Back that runs on first and second down in the first possession is on pace to break the NFL record for runs per game.

Aiden Hutchinson is gonna break the all time season sack record soon by week 9.

if im lance im requesting a trade an gettin TF away from this team. shanahan does not protect his qbs.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

This. Kyle is trying to turn a mobile QB into Lamar Jackson. Lance is a passer who can scramble to pick up 1st downs. You don't see the Cowboys using Dak as a power back. Trey and Dak are around the same tier of mobile QBs.

Dak is also hurt

Yes he is.. but they aren't used the same way. For me it isn't about the injury. Its about the plan. Using your QB as a power back isn't a long term success. Nothing wrong with running the QB a few times a game. Even if he didn't get hurt I would question the plan

you're in luck then, he only ran 3 times

Yes in a first quarter he didn't even complete, averaging 12.3 runs a game and on pace to break an NFL record for runs per game. Context gentlemen, context.

Yeahhh.... by your logic the Running Back that runs on first and second down in the first possession is on pace to break the NFL record for runs per game.

He was averaging 12.3 a game and ran at a 35% clip vs passing so it isn't hyperbole. It is facts. He was on pace to set an NFL records for rush attempts by QB per game. That isn't my logic, again that is a fact.

I knew Lance's potential was too good to be true.

It's over folks. NEXT!

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

No one complain when Trey lead the team in rushing yards in Chicago when Mitchell went down in a monsoon.

What about Lamar Jackson yesterday leading his team with 119 yds in rushing in 9 rushes?

Injuries happens in a violent sport like football. Be glad they brought back Jimmy just for this scenario for a SB roster to have a chance for another SB run.

The blame should be on the Seachickens and evil Pete, cursed that toxic POS to hell where he belongs and wish his team shameful losing seasons and he's forced to retire and be forgotten.

Really? Nobody complained? Lance got the snot knocked out of him that game. I questioned his ability to be healthy enough that play game two after taking some brutal hits and having linebackers land on him violently.

The thong is in your guys eyes, Shanny can do no wrong. Just like Jimmy, the team was WBQB starved, Jimmy was obviously better but not good enough so it is taboo to think of anyone else throwing the hall here.

Same with Shanahan, he isn't the only coach that could successfully coach this team. He is one who had success after the likes of Singletary and Tomsula so of course he is championed here.

Without context nothing is clear. Shanahan is a great X's and O's guy and great at scheming guys open but he's too arrogant to take advice and has zero accountability. That is a bad combo.

Let's fire KS because Trey got hurt on a run when the other team was coached to hurt 9er players at all cost to win.

Pretty ridiculous 🤣

Get over it and move on. Be happy Jimmy G is still on the team can take the team far and might still have a chance to make a SB run now that the team has been upgraded evidently thanks to Lynch and KS.

That's like saying it's OK your daughter crashed your expensive new car, we have insurance. Zero accountability. Yikes.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
No compound fracture. So that's really good. Should be good next year

I guess best case of a bad situation. I was scared of nerves and tendons getting messed up. I'm not an ankle doctor so I don't know if that even makes sense.

Dak had probably worse ankle injury in 2020 and came back and lead the cowgirls to the playoffs and of course losing to Jimmy G, Trey will be fine.

https://youtu.be/W8pttQERu3g

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I have yet to see him threaten anyone with his running. How on earth do you sell the farm for a run threat who doesn't actually do the one thing you want him to do?

Notice on the play he got hurt, the wide defender goes with the RB.. if it's Lamar (a bigger run threat) maybe that guy crashes and the RB gets the ball.. do you think clubs have ever been worried about TL running the ball at any point? Ppl have shown examples.. oh he made that one guy miss.. that's not a run threat. Watson vs Cincy, Tebow vs Raiders, their first games.. that was a run threat. Lamar and Vick everytime they took the field were run threats. For three ones we paid the price.. but I can't say he's a run threat I have yet to see it.

What's success as a runner??? He was averaging 4.2 yards per carry with several 4&1 attempts pulling that average down. That puts him 4th among qbs behind Lamar, Allen, and Marriotta. Puts him tied for 32nd in the league with Stevenson, zeke, and Raheem. He picked up like 6 first downs with his legs. Outside of being injured what would he have had to do to be a successful runner??

I don't think I said success as a runner I said he's slow. He's not threatening. When I watch him run it looks like he's not very fast. He gets beat to the spot. He's doesn't run away from anybody. When I watch Lamar or Murray I am like wow these guys are exciting. I have never felt that watching TL. For three ones we should have at least gotten that.. if we wanted a run threat.

Originally posted by NDSU:
No, because he is injury prone and is inefficient ( good decisions with poor execution).
He is not going to be able to make it in the NFL.
Great CFB QB, but will not make the transition to the NFL.
Cortez was right, he is worse now than he was at NDSU.

Im not thrilled about it, but lets be real here.

so you learned all that from one and half starts lol? Jesus.

I don't care who you are if a 350lb man rolls up on your leg, bad things happen. Broken bones has nothing to do with being injury prone. It's dumb to even proclaim that.

I expected dumb "let's be real" comments from others but not you. You sound like the Instant gratification crowd that you were debating.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I was legit asking for that each week and all offseason. It's a passing league. This is what LET TREY SAUTE was all about. I was asking for a ton of pass attempts. Let him play let him spin it. Block it up and let it fly. If he gets hit so be it but we are protecting him each play with pass pro. If free yards are there take em and slide.

I am learning this wasn't why we selected him. We wanted him to do a lot of heavy running into front sevens. That was the plan and the reason we selected him. We basically dialed up the Tebow style offense and he's not half the runner Tebow was imo. A much better passer than Tebow but we don't really want him passing much. We spent three ones on this. What on earth..

Have you considered the possibility that he's not ready for any of that and Shanahan is trying to bring him along slowly? I know, its crazy to think that a guy who has like 400 passing attempts in his entire life might require some kid glove treatment to get him to a level where he can consistently be someone that drops back and fires it off 20-25 times a game, but its quite possible that he's just not there yet?

Then the pick was a joke, in my opinion. He's a non threatening runner. Certainly he's not Lamar or Murray. If he's not gonna scare the daylights as a runner, and he can't pass, why on earth was he playing?

If he could have gotten better by playing games and passing.. then that's what he should have been asked to do. Play games and pass.

How is he gonna get better passing.. when we start him.. and ask him not to pass.. or pass minimally, usually on 3rd and longs when the run didn't work..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I have yet to see him threaten anyone with his running. How on earth do you sell the farm for a run threat who doesn't actually do the one thing you want him to do?

Notice on the play he got hurt, the wide defender goes with the RB.. if it's Lamar (a bigger run threat) maybe that guy crashes and the RB gets the ball.. do you think clubs have ever been worried about TL running the ball at any point? Ppl have shown examples.. oh he made that one guy miss.. that's not a run threat. Watson vs Cincy, Tebow vs Raiders, their first games.. that was a run threat. Lamar and Vick everytime they took the field were run threats. For three ones we paid the price.. but I can't say he's a run threat I have yet to see it.

What's success as a runner??? He was averaging 4.2 yards per carry with several 4&1 attempts pulling that average down. That puts him 4th among qbs behind Lamar, Allen, and Marriotta. Puts him tied for 32nd in the league with Stevenson, zeke, and Raheem. He picked up like 6 first downs with his legs. Outside of being injured what would he have had to do to be a successful runner??

I don't think I said success as a runner I said he's slow. He's not threatening. When I watch him run it looks like he's not very fast. He gets beat to the spot. He's doesn't run away from anybody. When I watch Lamar or Murray I am like wow these guys are exciting. I have never felt that watching TL. For three ones we should have at least gotten that.. if we wanted a run threat.

Agreed and if he's not a run threat, like he is being utilized and he's not a passing threat because he can't pass well. It is malpractice with draft capital, no? Isn't that on Shanny, too?

So Shanny decided to trade up to get someone who can't pass well (In many zoners eyes) and one who isn't an effective runner without lowering his shoulder and taking punishment. All the while negotiating to pay top dollar. Genius l!

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

This. Kyle is trying to turn a mobile QB into Lamar Jackson. Lance is a passer who can scramble to pick up 1st downs. You don't see the Cowboys using Dak as a power back. Trey and Dak are around the same tier of mobile QBs.

Dak is also hurt

Yes he is.. but they aren't used the same way. For me it isn't about the injury. Its about the plan. Using your QB as a power back isn't a long term success. Nothing wrong with running the QB a few times a game. Even if he didn't get hurt I would question the plan

you're in luck then, he only ran 3 times

Yes in a first quarter he didn't even complete, averaging 12.3 runs a game and on pace to break an NFL record for runs per game. Context gentlemen, context.

Yeahhh.... by your logic the Running Back that runs on first and second down in the first possession is on pace to break the NFL record for runs per game.

He was averaging 12.3 a game and ran at a 35% clip vs passing so it isn't hyperbole. It is facts. He was on pace to set an NFL records for rush attempts by QB per game. That isn't my logic, again that is a fact.

In what context?

A very small sample size, with 80% of it taking place in an actual monsoon?

That is a very far cry from Jackson's 28 carries, or Newton's 18 carries or hell Tim Tebow's 22 carries.

Trey Lance is not even in the top 20 for most carries in a game.

The dude carried the ball 3 times.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

No one complain when Trey lead the team in rushing yards in Chicago when Mitchell went down in a monsoon.

What about Lamar Jackson yesterday leading his team with 119 yds in rushing in 9 rushes?

Injuries happens in a violent sport like football. Be glad they brought back Jimmy just for this scenario for a SB roster to have a chance for another SB run.

The blame should be on the Seachickens and evil Pete, cursed that toxic POS to hell where he belongs and wish his team shameful losing seasons and he's forced to retire and be forgotten.

Really? Nobody complained? Lance got the snot knocked out of him that game. I questioned his ability to be healthy enough that play game two after taking some brutal hits and having linebackers land on him violently.

The thong is in your guys eyes, Shanny can do no wrong. Just like Jimmy, the team was WBQB starved, Jimmy was obviously better but not good enough so it is taboo to think of anyone else throwing the hall here.

Same with Shanahan, he isn't the only coach that could successfully coach this team. He is one who had success after the likes of Singletary and Tomsula so of course he is championed here.

Without context nothing is clear. Shanahan is a great X's and O's guy and great at scheming guys open but he's too arrogant to take advice and has zero accountability. That is a bad combo.

Let's fire KS because Trey got hurt on a run when the other team was coached to hurt 9er players at all cost to win.

Pretty ridiculous 🤣

Get over it and move on. Be happy Jimmy G is still on the team can take the team far and might still have a chance to make a SB run now that the team has been upgraded evidently thanks to Lynch and KS.

That's like saying it's OK your daughter crashed your expensive new car, we have insurance. Zero accountability. Yikes.

NEXT MAN UP. NFL is a business afterall, why players are paid millions for a reason so don't kid yourself otherwise.

If Trey starts next season and Jimmy is gone, due to the limited amount of games Trey has played and how he performs going forward, the 9ers might be in better luck to offer a long term deal after his rookie contract that is team friendly so the team can actually be more competitive as oppose to for example GB, KC, CLE and Denver where their starting QBs are taking up a huge space in their Cap.

So yeah, get over it, there is always a silver lining in everything. Close minded thinking never get you any where in life.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He was averaging 12.3 a game and ran at a 35% clip vs passing so it isn't hyperbole. It is facts. He was on pace to set an NFL records for rush attempts by QB per game. That isn't my logic, again that is a fact.

And your sample size is stupid small. That's like me extrapolating all of his stats and applying it to a full season worth of play and saying he was gonna have like 40 total TDs and over 4,500 total yards. No one would actually use that because the same size is so small…BUT like you said it's facts…when you want it to be.

the actual objective truth of the matter is no one knows what Lance will ever become because we have no legit evidence large enough to have a real discussion.