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Sep 19, 2022 at 11:11 AM
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
The bolded. Google Trey Lances brief college career and you will see he was an effective passer. Where did you get the info he was not a good thrower of the football? I'd like to see that info.

If that's really the case, he was not a run first QB in college so why the heck draft him? If he's not a great passer or runner why mortgage the teams 3 1st for him?

I can't find the tweet I was referencing earlier but here's a couple different ones.



Again, not what I was referring to earlier but still
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:12 AM
"Pelissero: Lance's ankle injury not a compound fracture like Dak Prescott's, still season-ending"

There you go, he's 22, he will be back next year when Jimmy is officially gone. He will bounce back better than ever, his time will come. 9ers might be able to get him on a team friendly deal too after his rookie contract due to the limited amount of games he has played and higher injury risk, who knows, it will be better for the team as a whole to be competitive for years to come..
[ Edited by ChillninDaBay on Sep 19, 2022 at 11:13 AM ]
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Dak was a four year starter coming out of college and had nearly 1,200 passing attempts while playing in the SEC. I think there was much less projection going on there. He mostly fell in the draft because he was playing in the same offense as Tebow, drew a lot of comparisons to Tebow in terms of his athleticism and thus people assumed that he'd just be a guy who'd struggle to throw in the NFL because Tebow couldn't. Ignoring that he was far more polished passer than Tebow was at any time.

Running a pretty basic spread from what I remember. Passing attempts imo shouldn't all be valued the same. For what little Lance had at NDSU they were pro-style progressions, which he has to call protections and change plays based on his pre-snap read. Those are more valuable then what half of college QBs do. It's was just a small sample size unfortunately.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:14 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He was averaging 12.3 a game and ran at a 35% clip vs passing so it isn't hyperbole. It is facts. He was on pace to set an NFL records for rush attempts by QB per game. That isn't my logic, again that is a fact.

And your sample size is stupid small. That's like me extrapolating all of his stats and applying it to a full season worth of play and saying he was gonna have like 40 total TDs and over 4,500 total yards. No one would actually use that because the same size is so small…BUT like you said it's facts…when you want it to be.

the actual objective truth of the matter is no one knows what Lance will ever become because we have no legit evidence large enough to have a real discussion.

Excuses and deflections when faced with stats that are facts. I don't think he will become anything special with Kyle because IMO Kyle doesn't know what to do with him. That is my opinion, clearly and I am entitled to it. As you are yours. Agree to disagree.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:16 AM
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He was averaging 12.3 a game and ran at a 35% clip vs passing so it isn't hyperbole. It is facts. He was on pace to set an NFL records for rush attempts by QB per game. That isn't my logic, again that is a fact.

And your sample size is stupid small. That's like me extrapolating all of his stats and applying it to a full season worth of play and saying he was gonna have like 40 total TDs and over 4,500 total yards. No one would actually use that because the same size is so small…BUT like you said it's facts…when you want it to be.

the actual objective truth of the matter is no one knows what Lance will ever become because we have no legit evidence large enough to have a real discussion.

Excuses and deflections when faced with stats that are facts. I don't think he will become anything special with Kyle because IMO Kyle doesn't know what to do with him. That is my opinion, clearly and I am entitled to it. As you are yours. Agree to disagree.

lol first it's fact then it's opinion. keep the unhinged posts going. loving it.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:19 AM
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
The bolded. Google Trey Lances brief college career and you will see he was an effective passer. Where did you get the info he was not a good thrower of the football? I'd like to see that info.

If that's really the case, he was not a run first QB in college so why the heck draft him? If he's not a great passer or runner why mortgage the teams 3 1st for him?

I can't find the tweet I was referencing earlier but here's a couple different ones.



Again, not what I was referring to earlier but still

Can you say Shanahan put him in a position to succeed? He was utilized terribly. Even Steve young said he needs to establish a rythym to have success.

Kyle never gave him that. Context my friend. Kyle trotted him out there like a FB that could occasionally throw it. He wasn't given a fair shake and we don't really know what he can do.

I can say this, vs Houston last year he passed more than he ran and had a better, more complete and effective game. Game plan had something to do with that.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:19 AM
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He was averaging 12.3 a game and ran at a 35% clip vs passing so it isn't hyperbole. It is facts. He was on pace to set an NFL records for rush attempts by QB per game. That isn't my logic, again that is a fact.

And your sample size is stupid small. That's like me extrapolating all of his stats and applying it to a full season worth of play and saying he was gonna have like 40 total TDs and over 4,500 total yards. No one would actually use that because the same size is so small…BUT like you said it's facts…when you want it to be.

the actual objective truth of the matter is no one knows what Lance will ever become because we have no legit evidence large enough to have a real discussion.

Excuses and deflections when faced with stats that are facts. I don't think he will become anything special with Kyle because IMO Kyle doesn't know what to do with him. That is my opinion, clearly and I am entitled to it. As you are yours. Agree to disagree.

ok.....

but

This is getting into flat earth levels of personal observation.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:19 AM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Then the pick was a joke, in my opinion. He's a non threatening runner. Certainly he's not Lamar or Murray. If he's not gonna scare the daylights as a runner, and he can't pass, why on earth was he playing?

If he could have gotten better by playing games and passing.. then that's what he should have been asked to do. Play games and pass.

How is he gonna get better passing.. when we start him.. and ask him not to pass.. or pass minimally, usually on 3rd and longs when the run didn't work..

It's no different than what Bill O'Brien did with Watson early in his career…he ran basically the same s**t that Watson ran at Clemson, which is not his offense. It however allowed Watson to be comfortable and learn as he goes. Everyone complains about HCs forcing their QB to do what they want instead of calling plays to their strengths. Kyle haters complained about it since he got here. Now kyle calls an offense for his QBs skill set along with developing as he goes and we're still b***hing.

People acting like Lance was never gonna throw the ball this yr lol. I'm pretty sure we ALL knew the game plan, which also included Lance running the ball.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:22 AM
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Can you say Shanahan put him in a position to succeed? He was utilized terribly. Even Steve young said he needs to establish a rythym to have success.

Kyle never gave him that. Context my friend. Kyle trotted him out there like a FB that could occasionally throw it. He wasn't given a fair shake and we don't really know what he can do.

I can say this, vs Houston last year he passed more than he ran and had a better, more complete and effective game. Game plan had something to do with that.

This is wrong on so many levels lol.

You expect kyle to call plays for Lance like he was Matt Ryan lol? Like I said go watch Watson when he first started. Kyle called plays that got easy yards for Lance and played to his strength.

stop acting like Lance was never gonna throw the ball yesterday. My god dramatic bias takes all over the place.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:22 AM
Trey will come back better and more determined next year. I wonder if they'll give him the job or make him compete with somebody, but this kid is not done
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by Brucey72:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Brucey72:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

This. Kyle is trying to turn a mobile QB into Lamar Jackson. Lance is a passer who can scramble to pick up 1st downs. You don't see the Cowboys using Dak as a power back. Trey and Dak are around the same tier of mobile QBs.

Dak is also hurt

Yes he is.. but they aren't used the same way. For me it isn't about the injury. Its about the plan. Using your QB as a power back isn't a long term success. Nothing wrong with running the QB a few times a game. Even if he didn't get hurt I would question the plan

you're in luck then, he only ran 3 times

Yes in a first quarter he didn't even complete, averaging 12.3 runs a game and on pace to break an NFL record for runs per game. Context gentlemen, context.

Yeahhh.... by your logic the Running Back that runs on first and second down in the first possession is on pace to break the NFL record for runs per game.

He was averaging 12.3 a game and ran at a 35% clip vs passing so it isn't hyperbole. It is facts. He was on pace to set an NFL records for rush attempts by QB per game. That isn't my logic, again that is a fact.

In what context?

A very small sample size, with 80% of it taking place in an actual monsoon?

That is a very far cry from Jackson's 28 carries, or Newton's 18 carries or hell Tim Tebow's 22 carries.

Trey Lance is not even in the top 20 for most carries in a game.

The dude carried the ball 3 times.

LOL dude he was injured 2 times in 4 starts because the coach was so haphazard with his play calling. Yah a small sample size but an accurate reflection of his use, per the stats.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:24 AM
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Excuses and deflections when faced with stats that are facts. I don't think he will become anything special with Kyle because IMO Kyle doesn't know what to do with him. That is my opinion, clearly and I am entitled to it. As you are yours. Agree to disagree.

Lol I just posted something that would be considered FACTS same as you did. I can put up b******t numbers to backup whatever narrative I want to push like you're doing all the same.

the only thing you said that's right is it's your opinion.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:24 AM
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Odds are against him now. 3 years in a row with minimal football. It's highly likely he is never effective again and likely he will never be an NFL starter at this point.

It's sad. It's Marcus lattimore 2.0 but it happens.

Hopefully he fully recovers and doesn't have any permanent problems.

I do not think shanahan is a good QB coach. I think he's going to just run him in power again if he recovers.

He needs careful tailoring to force him to throw and only take what's given to him. He is not big enough athletic enough to be used how he was.

3 years of minimal football. Aaron Rodgers? Jimmy G?

Neither of them were consecutive and their last year in college and first two years. They were already established as decent and are pocket passers. Their game doesn't rely on being crazy mobile.

If I had to bet my house on it I would bet against lance ever being an NFL starter at this point. 3 years in a row it's highly probable he doesn't have it mentally or physically enough to come back.

It's not impossible it's just how I would lean if I had to bet.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:24 AM
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
The bolded. Google Trey Lances brief college career and you will see he was an effective passer. Where did you get the info he was not a good thrower of the football? I'd like to see that info.

If that's really the case, he was not a run first QB in college so why the heck draft him? If he's not a great passer or runner why mortgage the teams 3 1st for him?

I can't find the tweet I was referencing earlier but here's a couple different ones.



Again, not what I was referring to earlier but still

Can you say Shanahan put him in a position to succeed?

Yes

Clearly Yes

If he dropped him into the offense he ran with Mullins or Jimmy G, he would have floundered. He is not an effective passer at this point in his career.

He put that offense together to keep the chains moving as his young QB learned. Clearly he was working towards the strengths of Trey.
Sep 19, 2022 at 11:25 AM
Originally posted by boast:
lol first it's fact then it's opinion. keep the unhinged posts going. loving it.

key word of the day unhinged…
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