Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Heroism:

49ers dialed up the counter version for Trey; Ravens ran the power version for Lamar. One guy breaks off a long run, and the other guy breaks his ankle.

Lamar is 1 of 1. WHAT A RUN. pic.twitter.com/s7AqE68jmU

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) September 18, 2022

Lamar also had a couple options runs where he got tackled hard.

Coming off a season ending high ankle sprain, no less.

It's only a matter of time before Jackson gets injured. Because he's running so much? No, because it's the NFL, and QBs get injured on all types of plays all the time.

Jackson isn't injury prone.

We could always use Deebo to run inside and throw an occasional pass!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Then the pick was a joke, in my opinion. He's a non threatening runner. Certainly he's not Lamar or Murray. If he's not gonna scare the daylights as a runner, and he can't pass, why on earth was he playing?

If he could have gotten better by playing games and passing.. then that's what he should have been asked to do. Play games and pass.

How is he gonna get better passing.. when we start him.. and ask him not to pass.. or pass minimally, usually on 3rd and longs when the run didn't work..

It's no different than what Bill O'Brien did with Watson early in his career…he ran basically the same s**t that Watson ran at Clemson, which is not his offense. It however allowed Watson to be comfortable and learn as he goes. Everyone complains about HCs forcing their QB to do what they want instead of calling plays to their strengths. Kyle haters complained about it since he got here. Now kyle calls an offense for his QBs skill set along with developing as he goes and we're still b***hing.

People acting like Lance was never gonna throw the ball this yr lol. I'm pretty sure we ALL knew the game plan, which also included Lance running the ball.

Maybe go back and watch Watson's first start... you probably are aware as you know Watson.. he house calls from near 50 yards out. I have yet to see anything remotely like that from TL. We drafted a not very athletic runner who was a bowling ball vs college teams like Butler. We asked him to be a bowling ball in the NFL. Steve Young said before the Seattle game.. you can't do that in the NFL. Correct, Steve. I think Steve's exact remark was he was stiff arming defensive tackles in college. You can't do that vs NFL DTs. Then, a DT basically ended his season. Steve and a lot of ppl saw it coming.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NCommand:
With JD and Thl on here, I loved JD's breakdown on how Trey aids the running game. The issue is his runs are im volume and into the teeth of a very large and active front 7 and in the teeth of the defense, there isn't a whole lot of space to slide or protect yourself.

And was it needed? We had 189 yards rushing on 4.2 ypc. Wilson alone was averaging 4.7 ypc.

113 of those rushing yards came when Trey was in at QB at almost 9 YPC. Only 76 yards rushing the rest of the game at 2.3 YPC.

That shows what a mobile QB can do. When the D has to account for the QB it makes it a little easier for the other backs.

A guy who can run does give the defense more problems.

However, it's not like we've had an anemic rushing attack under Jimmy. In fact, isn't that what most detractors say, he was carried by the best run game?

KS spent all off-season with his OL, RB's and WR's working on more runs out of shotgun and with the zone-read or read-option built in. That was out the window. So that whole run game gameplan installed during the week(including with 2 rookie RB's who weren't here last season as well as OL) was tossed out.

There were very few runs even on the table to be called that the whole team had even practiced. I'm sure Kyle slept only a few hours last night rebuilding his run game playbook as they're going to have to teach some young guys these things on the fly.

welp there goes 3 first rounders.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Can you say Shanahan put him in a position to succeed? He was utilized terribly. Even Steve young said he needs to establish a rythym to have success.

Kyle never gave him that. Context my friend. Kyle trotted him out there like a FB that could occasionally throw it. He wasn't given a fair shake and we don't really know what he can do.

I can say this, vs Houston last year he passed more than he ran and had a better, more complete and effective game. Game plan had something to do with that.

This is wrong on so many levels lol.

You expect kyle to call plays for Lance like he was Matt Ryan lol? Like I said go watch Watson when he first started. Kyle called plays that got easy yards for Lance and played to his strength.

stop acting like Lance was never gonna throw the ball yesterday. My god dramatic bias takes all over the place.

No I expect a QB that broke records for passing in his brief collegiate FCS college career to deliver the ball to his wideouts, effectively.

Designed roll outs would have been more effective. Naked boots, etc. Not options up the middle constantly. He isn't near as fast as Lamar but is being used like him. Square peg round hole.

Let him take some lumps throwing the ball against NFL defenses, that is how you improve as an NFL passer. Not by lowering your shoulder and trying to bowl people over.

That is how he got hurt and that is why Kyle is so arrogant. He used the AZ game plan even after that hurt Trey previously. Negligence in my eyes. Again, agree to disagree.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

No compound fracture. So that's really good. Should be good next year

I guess best case of a bad situation. I was scared of nerves and tendons getting messed up. I'm not an ankle doctor so I don't know if that even makes sense.

It makes tons of sense. Broken bones are easy in most cases. It is the tendons and ligaments that are problematic usually.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
He passed plenty in college. Successfully. Shanahan just thinks he has a mobile athlete so he should run first, pass second. Shanahan is trying to turn Trey into what he wants, not what Trey is.

This. Kyle is trying to turn a mobile QB into Lamar Jackson. Lance is a passer who can scramble to pick up 1st downs. You don't see the Cowboys using Dak as a power back. Trey and Dak are around the same tier of mobile QBs.

Dak is also hurt

Yes he is.. but they aren't used the same way. For me it isn't about the injury. Its about the plan. Using your QB as a power back isn't a long term success. Nothing wrong with running the QB a few times a game. Even if he didn't get hurt I would question the plan

you're in luck then, he only ran 3 times

Yes in a first quarter he didn't even complete, averaging 12.3 runs a game and on pace to break an NFL record for runs per game. Context gentlemen, context.

Yeahhh.... by your logic the Running Back that runs on first and second down in the first possession is on pace to break the NFL record for runs per game.

He was averaging 12.3 a game and ran at a 35% clip vs passing so it isn't hyperbole. It is facts. He was on pace to set an NFL records for rush attempts by QB per game. That isn't my logic, again that is a fact.

In what context?

A very small sample size, with 80% of it taking place in an actual monsoon?

That is a very far cry from Jackson's 28 carries, or Newton's 18 carries or hell Tim Tebow's 22 carries.

Trey Lance is not even in the top 20 for most carries in a game.

The dude carried the ball 3 times.

LOL dude he was injured 2 times in 4 starts because the coach was so haphazard with his play calling. Yah a small sample size but an accurate reflection of his use, per the stats.

That points more towards Trey being injury prone then it does the coach.

Shanny did not invent this offense for Trey, it is in use by multiple teams and used every Sat and Sunday.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NCommand:
With JD and Thl on here, I loved JD's breakdown on how Trey aids the running game. The issue is his runs are im volume and into the teeth of a very large and active front 7 and in the teeth of the defense, there isn't a whole lot of space to slide or protect yourself.

And was it needed? We had 189 yards rushing on 4.2 ypc. Wilson alone was averaging 4.7 ypc.

113 of those rushing yards came when Trey was in at QB at almost 9 YPC. Only 76 yards rushing the rest of the game at 2.3 YPC.

That shows what a mobile QB can do. When the D has to account for the QB it makes it a little easier for the other backs.

A guy who can run does give the defense more problems.

However, it's not like we've had an anemic rushing attack under Jimmy. In fact, isn't that what most detractors say, he was carried by the best run game?

KS spent all off-season with his OL, RB's and WR's working on more runs out of shotgun and with the zone-read or read-option built in. That was out the window. So that whole run game gameplan installed during the week(including with 2 rookie RB's who weren't here last season as well as OL) was tossed out.

There were very few runs even on the table to be called that the whole team had even practiced. I'm sure Kyle slept only a few hours last night rebuilding his run game playbook as they're going to have to teach some young guys these things on the fly.

This was one of my concerns at backup QB. Its important to have similar skill sets in case the #1 goes down.

At least Kyle knows how to switch gears with Jimmy but it would have been nice having next man up have a similar skill set to Trey so Kyle didn't have to go to the other extreme on the fly...again.

Ever since March 2021, this team has been a chore to follow.

If I had known it would play out this way, I would have preferred them to just stay at #12 and draft Rashawn Slater rather than going through all this b******t.

Shocking that there is still a lot of uncertainty around the team whether or not Shanahan actually wanted to draft him. Too much smoke coming from media.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Heroism:
49ers dialed up the counter version for Trey; Ravens ran the power version for Lamar. One guy breaks off a long run, and the other guy breaks his ankle.

Lamar is 1 of 1. WHAT A RUN. pic.twitter.com/s7AqE68jmU

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) September 18, 2022

Lamar also had a couple options runs where he got tackled hard.

Coming off a season ending high ankle sprain, no less.

It's only a matter of time before Jackson gets injured. Because he's running so much? No, because it's the NFL, and QBs get injured on all types of plays all the time.

Jackson isn't injury prone.

Define "injury prone".

Oct 7, 2020 NFL Knee Patella Sprain Jackson missed Ravens' practice ahead of the Week 5 game vs. the Bengals due to a knee injury. He was cleared to play that game
Jan 16, 2021 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Jackson suffered a concussion on the last play of the third quarter during the divisional-round playoff game at Buffalo.
Sep 29, 2021 NFL Back Lower Lumbar Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Jackson managed to play in Week 4 against the Broncos, despite not practicing with a back injury.
Dec 12, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2 Jackson suffered an ankle sprain in Week 14's loss to the Browns. He missed the rest of the season

If he gets an injury this year that causes him to miss time, is he still not injury prone, even if it means getting injured in back to back seasons?

I'm looking at the replay and I see Williams miss the block on 57. Would of been a big gain with Lance one on one with their safety.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
welp there goes 3 first rounders.

This pretty much sums it up. It will be an all time what could have been moment, like Rodgers vs Smith, Carmazzi over Brady.

If we stood pat with no draft trade we would be sitting with the same team but add Micah Parsons and Cole Strange and a first rounder next year. Imagine Micah Parsons and Bosa.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Heroism:

49ers dialed up the counter version for Trey; Ravens ran the power version for Lamar. One guy breaks off a long run, and the other guy breaks his ankle.

Lamar is 1 of 1. WHAT A RUN. pic.twitter.com/s7AqE68jmU

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) September 18, 2022

Lamar also had a couple options runs where he got tackled hard.

Coming off a season ending high ankle sprain, no less.

It's only a matter of time before Jackson gets injured. Because he's running so much? No, because it's the NFL, and QBs get injured on all types of plays all the time.

Jackson isn't injury prone.

Define "injury prone".

Oct 7, 2020 NFL Knee Patella Sprain Jackson missed Ravens' practice ahead of the Week 5 game vs. the Bengals due to a knee injury. He was cleared to play that game Jan 16, 2021 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Jackson suffered a concussion on the last play of the third quarter during the divisional-round playoff game at Buffalo. Sep 29, 2021 NFL Back Lower Lumbar Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Jackson managed to play in Week 4 against the Broncos, despite not practicing with a back injury. Dec 12, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2 Jackson suffered an ankle sprain in Week 14's loss to the Browns. He missed the rest of the season

If he gets an injury this year that causes him to miss time, is he still not injury prone, even if it means getting injured in back to back seasons?

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Heroism:

49ers dialed up the counter version for Trey; Ravens ran the power version for Lamar. One guy breaks off a long run, and the other guy breaks his ankle.

Lamar is 1 of 1. WHAT A RUN. pic.twitter.com/s7AqE68jmU

— Robert Griffin III (@RGIII) September 18, 2022

Lamar also had a couple options runs where he got tackled hard.

Coming off a season ending high ankle sprain, no less.

It's only a matter of time before Jackson gets injured. Because he's running so much? No, because it's the NFL, and QBs get injured on all types of plays all the time.

Jackson isn't injury prone.

Define "injury prone".

Oct 7, 2020 NFL Knee Patella Sprain Jackson missed Ravens' practice ahead of the Week 5 game vs. the Bengals due to a knee injury. He was cleared to play that game Jan 16, 2021 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1 Jackson suffered a concussion on the last play of the third quarter during the divisional-round playoff game at Buffalo. Sep 29, 2021 NFL Back Lower Lumbar Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Jackson managed to play in Week 4 against the Broncos, despite not practicing with a back injury. Dec 12, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain Grade 2 Jackson suffered an ankle sprain in Week 14's loss to the Browns. He missed the rest of the season

If he gets an injury this year that causes him to miss time, is he still not injury prone, even if it means getting injured in back to back seasons?

Suffering serious injury in half of his starts is what I am calling injury prone. Not being able to complete two starts without injury.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Excuses and deflections when faced with stats that are facts. I don't think he will become anything special with Kyle because IMO Kyle doesn't know what to do with him. That is my opinion, clearly and I am entitled to it. As you are yours. Agree to disagree.

Lol I just posted something that would be considered FACTS same as you did. I can put up b******t numbers to backup whatever narrative I want to push like you're doing all the same.

the only thing you said that's right is it's your opinion.

Did you actually think Kyle would have stopped running Trey into the front 7 only up 3-0?