Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
One reason is that Hurts played in 53 games and threw almost 1,1000 passes in big-time college programs while Lance played in 19 games and threw just 318 passes at a much lower level. So, while that does not disqualify Lance as a possibility, it does suggest a longer developmental time in the NFL. Of course, that is what everyone was saying about TL before he was drafted.

Now, with Purdy showing so well, folks are less willing to give Lance the time. That is all moot for now as Lance is going into OTAs in the QB1 position until Purdy gets fully healthy. Now is Lance's time to show that he has some of those intangibles that have made Purdy so successful. Let's hope he can because we have no other choice right now.

Thing is most of Hurts experience wasn't in a pro offense. So outside of the RPO stuff the Eagles do he had to learn a ton of things. All that experience wasn't THAT helpful.

Purdy experience WAS helpful because it was in a scheme that actually fit closely to what the 9ers do. Lance scheme was similar too but as you said less experience at a lower level.

I don't watch or follow college football at all, so correct me if I am wrong. Hurts started 2 seasons at Alabama, wasn't that pro style offense?

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I don't watch or follow college football at all, so correct me if I am wrong. Hurts started 2 seasons at Alabama, wasn't that pro style offense?

Not the pro style Kyle runs.

Notice the Dolphins didn't run 9ers dropback play action offense much. It's because Tua never did that much in college.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I don't watch or follow college football at all, so correct me if I am wrong. Hurts started 2 seasons at Alabama, wasn't that pro style offense?

Not the pro style Kyle runs.

Notice the Dolphins didn't run 9ers dropback play action offense much. It's because Tua never did that much in college.

Got it. But why are we comparing Hurt's college offense to Kyle's offense? Shouldn't we compared Hurts' college offense to the current Eagles offense, and then compare Trey's college offense to Kyle's offense?

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
It's hard for me to understand why people can watch how Hurts has developed over the last couple years and not see that as a possibility for TL. Especially with Kyle running the show, instead of happy pants Siriani.

How did Zach wilson do in his 2nd year? How about Mac Jones? I could go on.
We all hope that Lance will show more development in his 3rd year but what sucks is there are far more prospects that have regressed then succeeded.

Mac Jones was given Patricia and Judge. He was never going to improve with that.

Wilson's just bad, his attitude alone will stop him from improving. Another Baker Mayfield.

Trey doesn't have those two problems.

First thing I want to see from him when he comes back is accuracy, especially in the short game.

Second thing is I want him to be decisive. Too often he seemed to hesitate when he could have let it go.

Brock was excellent in these areas and Trey's going to need to show big improvement if he wants to earn QB1.

We aren't gonna trade this man but.. but if we did. I would suggest Tampa. it's the only logical fit.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
One reason is that Hurts played in 53 games and threw almost 1,1000 passes in big-time college programs while Lance played in 19 games and threw just 318 passes at a much lower level. So, while that does not disqualify Lance as a possibility, it does suggest a longer developmental time in the NFL. Of course, that is what everyone was saying about TL before he was drafted.

Now, with Purdy showing so well, folks are less willing to give Lance the time. That is all moot for now as Lance is going into OTAs in the QB1 position until Purdy gets fully healthy. Now is Lance's time to show that he has some of those intangibles that have made Purdy so successful. Let's hope he can because we have no other choice right now.

Thing is most of Hurts experience wasn't in a pro offense. So outside of the RPO stuff the Eagles do he had to learn a ton of things. All that experience wasn't THAT helpful.

Purdy experience WAS helpful because it was in a scheme that actually fit closely to what the 9ers do. Lance scheme was similar too but as you said less experience at a lower level.

At the end of the day it still comes down to playing time and experience. Sure, other QBs had more college experience, and that would have been a good argument against drafting TL in the first place, but he's here now. And I'm glad everyone is in agreement that the more he plays, the better his odds of becoming a great QB.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
It's hard for me to understand why people can watch how Hurts has developed over the last couple years and not see that as a possibility for TL. Especially with Kyle running the show, instead of happy pants Siriani.

How did Zach wilson do in his 2nd year? How about Mac Jones? I could go on.
We all hope that Lance will show more development in his 3rd year but what sucks is there are far more prospects that have regressed then succeeded.

Hurts wasn't spectacular in his 2nd year either, so that doesn't really prove anything.

I'm super impressed by how Trey Lance is handling all this. I think it bodes well for his future. Hope to see him on the field this year.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
How did Zach wilson do in his 2nd year? How about Mac Jones? I could go on.
We all hope that Lance will show more development in his 3rd year but what sucks is there are far more prospects that have regressed then succeeded.

Alright,...but u know there's only 32 teams, right?

If every QB became a huge success we would instantly need to change the rules.

Originally posted by Schulzy:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
It's hard for me to understand why people can watch how Hurts has developed over the last couple years and not see that as a possibility for TL. Especially with Kyle running the show, instead of happy pants Siriani.

First, they don't have the same build. Lance's body is more along the lines of a Josh Allen type.

Second, Hurts has played an awful lot of football, in high pressure environments dating back to his time at Alabama. Lance has barely played at all.

Sure, him getting to Hurts' level is a possibility. So is him completely bottoming out. Nobody knows. The guy hasn't played football.

Struggling to find any relevance in this statement whatsoever.

Not sure I'd use Hurts' time at Bama to show how well he did under pressure. Wasn't he benched?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
It's hard for me to understand why people can watch how Hurts has developed over the last couple years and not see that as a possibility for TL. Especially with Kyle running the show, instead of happy pants Siriani.

One reason is that Hurts played in 53 games and threw almost 1,1000 passes in big-time college programs while Lance played in 19 games and threw just 318 passes at a much lower level. So, while that does not disqualify Lance as a possibility, it does suggest a longer developmental time in the NFL. Of course, that is what everyone was saying about TL before he was drafted.

Now, with Purdy showing so well, folks are less willing to give Lance the time. That is all moot for now as Lance is going into OTAs in the QB1 position until Purdy gets fully healthy. Now is Lance's time to show that he has some of those intangibles that have made Purdy so successful. Let's hope he can because we have no other choice right now.

I can tell you right now he's not going to have Purdy's intangibles just like that due to another off-season. That's an easy one.

He can show other things though, not to mention his own intangibles.

How patient fans may be due to Purdy doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Got it. But why are we comparing Hurt's college offense to Kyle's offense? Shouldn't we compared Hurts' college offense to the current Eagles offense, and then compare Trey's college offense to Kyle's offense?

Using Kyle offense as a baseline. Everyone uses WCO principles to varying degrees. That isn't what Hurts was doing at Bama to any large degree. It's why it took him 2 years. Why it took Allen time. Why Pat got a year to sit. All those guys had lots of experience in college. Doesn't translate 1 to 1.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
At the end of the day it still comes down to playing time and experience. Sure, other QBs had more college experience, and that would have been a good argument against drafting TL in the first place, but he's here now. And I'm glad everyone is in agreement that the more he plays, the better his odds of becoming a great QB.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone make a serious argument against the idea that he needs to play.

The issue is that developing Lance isn't the only priority, or the top priority. Winning is. Playing him comes with risk to the team. The team is ready to win now and we had/have alternative options.

If that seems like a can't win situation, that's because that's pretty much what it is. The only way you win in this situation is if Lance hits the ground running and that hasn't happened in years one and two.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
One reason is that Hurts played in 53 games and threw almost 1,1000 passes in big-time college programs while Lance played in 19 games and threw just 318 passes at a much lower level. So, while that does not disqualify Lance as a possibility, it does suggest a longer developmental time in the NFL. Of course, that is what everyone was saying about TL before he was drafted.

Now, with Purdy showing so well, folks are less willing to give Lance the time. That is all moot for now as Lance is going into OTAs in the QB1 position until Purdy gets fully healthy. Now is Lance's time to show that he has some of those intangibles that have made Purdy so successful. Let's hope he can because we have no other choice right now.

Thing is most of Hurts experience wasn't in a pro offense. So outside of the RPO stuff the Eagles do he had to learn a ton of things. All that experience wasn't THAT helpful.

Purdy experience WAS helpful because it was in a scheme that actually fit closely to what the 9ers do. Lance scheme was similar too but as you said less experience at a lower level.

Bama is more pro-style. The point is, Hurts had much more experience going in. Even though the schemes may be different, he still has to learn to read defenses, adjust protection, etc.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
At the end of the day it still comes down to playing time and experience. Sure, other QBs had more college experience, and that would have been a good argument against drafting TL in the first place, but he's here now. And I'm glad everyone is in agreement that the more he plays, the better his odds of becoming a great QB.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone make a serious argument against the idea that he needs to play.

The issue is that developing Lance isn't the only priority, or the top priority. Winning is. Playing him comes with risk to the team. The team is ready to win now and we had/have alternative options.

If that seems like a can't win situation, that's because that's pretty much what it is. The only way you win in this situation is if Lance hits the ground running and that hasn't happened in years one and two.

There is a risk of drop off in play at the position while he gains experience, but on this team it's less negligible than any other, being non QB centric. The rest of the team is strong enough to win games as he gains experience. The notion that we aren't even a playoff team as long as he is under center is laughable. But it is the only argument people have to keep him from ever gaining that experience, so carry on.