Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Never. Lol Next question.

Honestly though, isn't the list of high profile QBs that have suffered career altering injuries under Kyle Shanahan getting really long?

Jimmy has never been protected his entire time in SF and we just keep seeing guys get hurt over and over but we never see the changes made to the oline or players that can't protect get sent to the bench.

At some point they have to go all in on the oline and protect the QB first and foremost if they want to stop the pattern of injured QBs.

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Never. Lol Next question.

Honestly though, isn't the list of high profile QBs that have suffered career altering injuries under Kyle Shanahan getting really long?

Jimmy has never been protected his entire time in SF and we just keep seeing guys get hurt over and over but we never see the changes made to the oline or players that can't protect get sent to the bench.

At some point they have to go all in on the oline and protect the QB first and foremost if they want to stop the pattern of injured QBs.

What? No. There isn't even a long list of high profile QBs that have played for him. Matt Ryan is high profile, he won an MVP, not an injury. I can't think of a single injury that has been career altering, unless you consider losing a starting job when they were injured, such as TL could face.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
What? No. There isn't even a long list of high profile QBs that have played for him. Matt Ryan is high profile, he won an MVP, not an injury. I can't think of a single injury that has been career altering, unless you consider losing a starting job when they were injured, such as TL could face.

RG3 was a high profile QB who was injured under Kyle (and Mike obviously), but his play-style comes with obvious risk. For RG3 to be at his best, it was required that he be used as a runner.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
What? No. There isn't even a long list of high profile QBs that have played for him. Matt Ryan is high profile, he won an MVP, not an injury. I can't think of a single injury that has been career altering, unless you consider losing a starting job when they were injured, such as TL could face.

RG3 was a high profile QB who was injured under Kyle (and Mike obviously), but his play-style comes with obvious risk. For RG3 to be at his best, it was required that he be used as a runner.

Yes, but his ultimate downfall came at the hands of Mike for putting him back in a game after he sustained the original injury, and made it worse. Another lesson to the Jack holes that were complaining Purdy shoulda gone back in.

And I certainly wouldn't consider 2 a long list…

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Yes, but his ultimate downfall came at the hands of Mike for putting him back in a game after he sustained the original injury, and made it worse. Another lesson to the Jack holes that were complaining Purdy shoulda gone back in.

And I certainly wouldn't consider 2 a long list…

I wouldn't consider it a long list either, but you said you couldn't recall a single QB suffering a career altering injury under Kyle... which is exactly what happened with RG3.

I don't subscribe to any belief that Kyle Shanahan's system is responsible for an inordinate amount of QB injuries, so we're on the same page there. It's not Kyle Shanahan's fault Jimmy G decides to emulate Jim Brown and avoid running out of bounds, tearing his ACL in the process, lol. Most of these injuries are simply freak incidents. I expect a QB in the NFL to be put in dangerous positions in every game. It's the nature of the sport.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Yes, but his ultimate downfall came at the hands of Mike for putting him back in a game after he sustained the original injury, and made it worse. Another lesson to the Jack holes that were complaining Purdy shoulda gone back in.

And I certainly wouldn't consider 2 a long list…

I wouldn't consider it a long list either, but you said you couldn't recall a single QB suffering a career altering injury under Kyle... which is exactly what happened with RG3.

I don't subscribe to any belief that Kyle Shanahan's system is responsible for an inordinate amount of QB injuries, so we're on the same page there. It's not Kyle Shanahan's fault Jimmy G decides to emulate Jim Brown and avoid running out of bounds, tearing his ACL in the process, lol. Most of these injuries are simply freak incidents. I expect a QB in the NFL to be put in dangerous positions in every game. It's the nature of the sport.

Ok, I know you're obsessed with me and have to argue everything I say, but Kyle didn't injure RGIII. The players on the field did, but again he wasn't the coach who put him back in the game, which resulted in his injury. Try harder. Maybe you can dig all the way back to when Kyle was a ball boy with us lol.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Ok, I know you're obsessed with me and have to argue everything I say, but Kyle didn't injure RGIII. The players on the field did, but again he wasn't the coach who put him back in the game, which resulted in his injury. Try harder.

I just agreed with your overarching point in my last post, lol. Beyond that, this is a football message board where people are going to have disagreements and be challenged. Grow up.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Yes, but his ultimate downfall came at the hands of Mike for putting him back in a game after he sustained the original injury, and made it worse. Another lesson to the Jack holes that were complaining Purdy shoulda gone back in.

And I certainly wouldn't consider 2 a long list…

Long list is an over statement I guess, but RGIII & Jimmy are the most glaring. Trey Lance is high profile only because of draft status not his production. Brock Purdy was high profile because of the winning streak and his story.

I guess a better question would be, what QBs never sustained significant injuries under KS?

No way that one coach suffers that much bad luck.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
exactly, so how can MM say it's the Lockeroom when it's just one guy saying it. MM is smarter than this.. I think MM is just trying to get clicks on this one

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I'm not saying MM is the person where this statement came from. I'm saying he's the one who said it to the world. MM knows one person is not the entire Lockeroom and should have done his HW. In the end, it's all for clicks

The bolded portion is where you wrote in plain English that Maiocco said it's the locker room. He did not say that, as I've explained in my last posts. He relayed an opinion from an unnamed player.

I'm going to move on because we're on different pages and going in circles and this is pretty pointless when we can't get past the basics. Rest easy that it's highly unlikely the entire roster is going to feel the same way about anything.

I'm just saying MM is the messenger and there's no one else to tie this to.

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Yes, but his ultimate downfall came at the hands of Mike for putting him back in a game after he sustained the original injury, and made it worse. Another lesson to the Jack holes that were complaining Purdy shoulda gone back in.

And I certainly wouldn't consider 2 a long list…

Long list is an over statement I guess, but RGIII & Jimmy are the most glaring. Trey Lance is high profile only because of draft status not his production. Brock Purdy was high profile because of the winning streak and his story.

I guess a better question would be, what QBs never sustained significant injuries under KS?

No way that one coach suffers that much bad luck.

I didn't follow the teams he was a coordinator on close enough to site all of the injuries they may have sustained. If there were major ones I'm sure everyone would know. But Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub, Brian Hoyer, Kirk Cousins, RGIII, Maybe Jonny Manziel (not sure if he played while Kyle was there), CJ Beathard, Nick Mullens off the top of my head.

Originally posted by Patton:
Brock, Trey, Jimmy, Josh Johnson or whoever else gets added to the conversation, I just want someone to explain how a guy that's 22 years old steps in and play like Purdy did, then we see someone like Josh Johnson who has played in the league for 13 years and he looks like a high school junior.

Jimmy played great this year, but he never looked like Purdy and as athletically gifted as Trey Lance is, he has never looked like Purdy did.

Purdy played great, but he very well never be the same QB again. How is this coaching staff looking at QBs and not understanding we need to be getting QBs that play like Purdy, but have the athletic ability of Trey Lance and then have offensive lineman that can keep the QB healthy?

Idk what the number is but I'd like to see the list of QBs that have been hurt in Kyles offensive scheme. At what point does it become the way they're being used and his offense instead of just bad luck?

If you're being genuine with your question... I have a question for you.

Let's just say Brock's first NFL action wasn't during the season.... but lets say his first real NFL action was coming in for Jimmy G, after Jimbo got injured against the #1 ranked Eagles pass rush. And on Purdy's second snap, Jennings and the TE let Reddick get a free run on a playaction pass... and by the time Purdy turned around from the Playaction, Reddick drilled him hard (like what happened to Josh Johnson).

And now his welcome to the NFL moment is happening against Eagles IN Philly, at the NFL Championship game.

How would Purdy look? We saw how Purdy looked against the Cowboys, and that was after starting many games in a row. More so than Josh has ever in his career. Brock did what he had to do vs the Cowboys and we won the game. But would a Brock getting his first NFL action of the season vs the Eagles in the NFC Championship game play that much better than the Brock vs Cowboys?

I just don't think so. As much as I feel comfortable/calm as s**t with Brock at QB, that's just a tall order.

Brock had 6 NFL starts going into that Eagles game. Josh Johnson has had 10 total starts in his whole career... all spread out.

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by Goatie:
LOL no he won't. His hype has not turned into winability

See this is that bs...how do u know he won't?

Didn't you know three games is enough to make definitive statements projecting a players entire career?

Originally posted by Patton:
Honestly though, isn't the list of high profile QBs that have suffered career altering injuries under Kyle Shanahan getting really long?

Well he is no Bill Walsh,

Bill Walsh ended HOF QBs seasons.

It is probable that your use of "high profile" will not make the cut on the macro scale.

At this point my biggest question with Trey is accuracy given the limited play we have seen from him. Hopefully he works on the mechanics and touch etc. Again we wont know until he's back out there.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
At this point my biggest question with Trey is accuracy given the limited play we have seen from him. Hopefully he works on the mechanics and touch etc. Again we wont know until he's back out there.

Agree. For me it's this plus pocket awareness and instinct.