Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Trey has a year of college under his belt. It's going to take him time to get used to the pro game.

Remember when I said he should have played early because he needed to play football to improve? Got a lot of s**t for it, end of the day it was true…didn't win a SB either way

So basically we messed up this year right? We could have played our rooks all season. Shame on KS for playing Bosa. Should have rested him for 2023. We didn't win a SB either way. Drake should have got more play time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Remember when I said he should have played early because he needed to play football to improve? Got a lot of s**t for it, end of the day it was true…didn't win a SB either way

It was true, but it's not the only consideration. The team has more priorities than developing Trey Lance. It's an extremely rare case to see someone arguing he can be developed without playing. Nearly everyone agrees he needs to.

We can disagree about the correct path to take, but if we're going to have productive conversations it would help to consider all angles of the arguments.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Brady won a SB first year as starter; so think it's fair to say he started out well.. they benched Bledsoe even when healthy that year

On TL, I was looking at his per game 2021 small sample size and did a whole season worth of numbers based on an assumption they would throw more maybe 8 or so times per game more than his 2021 action (think he had 23 attempts vs HOU). His per play numbers in 2021 are actually pretty good. It's KS so I should have never assumed more passes. But then again I wonder why we took a passer, if not to you know, pass.

Payton manning one a SB in Denver and stunk. Brady threw 18 TDs to 13 INTs with 2,800 yards. He most certain was not the GOAT when he first started. They had a great D and ran the ball well early on.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Trey has a year of college under his belt. It's going to take him time to get used to the pro game.

Remember when I said he should have played early because he needed to play football to improve? Got a lot of s**t for it, end of the day it was true…didn't win a SB either way

So basically we messed up this year right? We could have played our rooks all season. Shame on KS for playing Bosa. Should have rested him for 2023. We didn't win a SB either way. Drake should have got more play time.

I think according to NY, it is either championship or not. So Tomsula and C Kelly should rank higher in our franchise HC history than J Harbaugh and Kyle. Tomsula and Kelly each only had one non Championship season.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
So basically we messed up this year right? We could have played our rooks all season. Shame on KS for playing Bosa. Should have rested him for 2023. We didn't win a SB either way. Drake should have got more play time.

Yea, I'm not a big fan of pretending a decision was wrong because we didn't achieve an ideal result.

As easily as one could say we should have played Lance because we didn't win a Super Bowl, another could say we shouldn't have drafted a player who couldn't contribute to the effort. These are multifaceted conversations.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
So basically we messed up this year right? We could have played our rooks all season. Shame on KS for playing Bosa. Should have rested him for 2023. We didn't win a SB either way. Drake should have got more play time.

Well it's either win a Super or we suck according to all of you.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Remember when I said he should have played early because he needed to play football to improve? Got a lot of s**t for it, end of the day it was true…didn't win a SB either way

It was true, but it's not the only consideration. The team has more priorities than developing Trey Lance. It's an extremely rare case to see someone arguing he can be developed without playing. Nearly everyone agrees he needs to.

We can disagree about the correct path to take, but if we're going to have productive conversations it would help to consider all angles of the arguments.

Hundreds of guys sat and balled out when there moment came. We just saw one for much of our season.

It's a tired point from NY that we spent a long time hashing during 2021.. I wouldn't trade how 2021 went for anything. KS sets the chart and had a bunch of chances to put TL at QB1. He declined to do so, presumably cuz he wasn't ready to be QB1. NY posts that KS is essentially unquestionable, except when NY wants to question KS's depth chart along these lines.

We were up 10 in the NFCCG and I don't think anyone turned off their TV until the game was over. We had every chance that year to win a Super Bowl. We made the final four, and 3-1 vs the SB teams. We beat both the SB teams in their own house. Great year. I don't think it's on KS QB depth chart that we lost, I think it's players not executing final moments, Tartt I am looking at you.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
So basically we messed up this year right? We could have played our rooks all season. Shame on KS for playing Bosa. Should have rested him for 2023. We didn't win a SB either way. Drake should have got more play time.

Well it's either win a Super or we suck according to Jed

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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It was true, but it's not the only consideration. The team has more priorities than developing Trey Lance. It's an extremely rare case to see someone arguing he can be developed without playing. Nearly everyone agrees he needs to.

We can disagree about the correct path to take, but if we're going to have productive conversations it would help to consider all angles of the arguments.

You spend 3 1sts on a QB one of your main goals should be developing the QB…at the very least don't act like he f**king blows after 100 random ass passing attempts (not saying you are). Half this fan base has zero patience.

You want to make a run at it with a vet fine, that doesn't mean Lance shouldn't still be able to develop by playing after the fact.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
So basically we messed up this year right? We could have played our rooks all season. Shame on KS for playing Bosa. Should have rested him for 2023. We didn't win a SB either way. Drake should have got more play time.

Well it's either win a Super or we suck according to half the fan base

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Pointing out BP was balling from the jump. Countless others do this. The good ones tend to. Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Warner one could go on and on and on. Cam Newton did. TL a lot more of a raw prospect, which is why he had the red shirt year more or less. Injury turned it to two red shirt years.

No reason to think he will be struggling week 1 next year, he is capable of having a real game week 1 if called upon. Depends on how his offseason goes.

You can in-fact count them.......

There have not been many that have come out the gate on fire.

I am not even sure I would include Brady in "from the jump"...he sat a year... Same with Rodgers who sat several years.

Manning was dogs**t his first full year. Young Brady was not "balling" out the gate as a QB either. He was winning on defense and running the ball.

Hurts stunk his first year and then some. Allen was awful.

faithful thought lance was gonna have like 50 TDs this yr. That's his damn fault for thinking he was gonna be that from day 1 as a starter.

he might never be a star, but anyone thinking they have any clue what he is right now is being incredibly arrogant

Alot of people inflated his day one expectations claiming how he was the most pro ready QB in the draft & how he would be Shanahans Elway or Young that's just the nature of message boards.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Trey has a year of college under his belt. It's going to take him time to get used to the pro game.

Remember when I said he should have played early because he needed to play football to improve? Got a lot of s**t for it, end of the day it was true…didn't win a SB either way

To go back to this.. a lot of the 2021 debate was predicated on we started 3-5 and were therefore 'out of contention' i.e. season over. I didn't think that, but it was cited by a lot of ppl as to why we should play the kids, TL especially. This reasoning was demonstrated resoundingly false. The idea has similar energy to when someone says in the gameday thread 'season over, fire everyone' when we go three and out to start a random game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Hundreds of guys sat and balled out when there moment came. We just saw one for much of our season.

It's a tired point from NY that we spent a long time hashing during 2021.. I wouldn't trade how 2021 went for anything. KS sets the chart and had a bunch of chances to put TL at QB1. He declined to do so, presumably cuz he wasn't ready to be QB1. NY posts that KS is essentially unquestionable, except when NY wants to question KS's depth chart along these lines.

We were up 10 in the NFCCG and I don't think anyone turned off their TV until the game was over. We had every chance that year to win a Super Bowl. We made the final four, and 3-1 vs the SB teams. We beat both the SB teams in their own house. Great year. I don't think it's on KS QB depth chart that we lost, I think it's players not executing final moments, Tartt I am looking at you.

I agree with the bulk of your post here, but for the portion of my post that you bolded, I'm talking about Trey Lance individually.

Yes there have been plenty of players who were drafted and sat initially, learned, and had success. But Trey Lance's situation is pretty unique. He was/is an extremely young project QB with very little experience coming from a lower level of college football. It's not like he has 3-4 years of high level division 1 football experience to build on. It's not simply a matter of learning how to be a pro or making minor adjustments to an already polished skillset.

That said, you're free to disagree and believe that he can prepare and learn everything he needs from the bench without in-game experience. There's nothing wrong with that. I'd just say, as I did above, that you're in a very small minority with that opinion. Nearly everyone thinks he needs to play.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Alot of people inflated his day one expectations claiming how he was the most pro ready QB in the draft & how he would be Shanahans Elway or Young that's just the nature of message boards.

I claimed while have only 300 passing attempts his scheme was very much like Kyles and for a 19 yr old he was asked to do a lot.

He was only gonna improve by playing football and I never expected him to be a Elway day 1. He never had to be that to win games though.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You spend 3 1sts on a QB one of your main goals should be developing the QB…at the very least don't act like he f**king blows after 100 random ass passing attempts (not saying you are). Half this fan base has zero patience.

You want to make a run at it with a vet fine, that doesn't mean Lance shouldn't still be able to develop by playing after the fact.

I agree. That's a key reason why I believe it was a very bad decision given the state of our team at the time. As I mentioned before, if we were a rebuilding team or even a middling team, playing Trey would be an easy decision.

Kyle and the FO put our team, and Lance*, in a no win situation, or at least an extremely unlikely to win situation.