Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I didn't say anything about using the 1sts to rebuild the team. It's not rebuilding to utilize extremely valuable assets in a manner other than selecting a project QB.

Which brings us to another fundamental disagreement we have between us, which is how good Trey Lance actually is right now. I think lesser of him than you do. I don't think this team can carry the player we saw and still contend. It's another argument for another time.

Who cares what anyone thinks of him? You no I are scouts. We're not NFL coaches, we didn't attach our name/career to him. you have no clue what he is. You can't objectively say you do because there's not enough film to backup anything right now…which is the whole damn point.

Let's get back to common sense and realize you can't get better at anything in life without being able to do it over and over. No one wakes up and can play the guitar or make 3s like Curry.

FWIW it was never about what Lance was from day 1 it was what he could become with Kyle and this roster. That will never get figured out until he plays.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Because some posters don't value practice reps. But that's sometimes where it starts before you get your opportunity. That's exactly what Purdy did.

I posted his yesterday. Vet gushing about Purdys making the most of practice and how it helped him translate it to the field.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/why-brock-purdys-success-49ers-dolphins-doesnt-surprise-jimmie-ward

Sure, but again Purdy has a much stronger experience profile to build on. It's a key and significant difference from Lance (not factoring other, intangible, differences). He had 4 years starting at the D1 level in a power 5 conference, where his team couldn't just out talent everyone they faced.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who cares what anyone thinks of him? You no I are scouts. We're not NFL coaches, we didn't attach our name/career to him. you have no clue what he is. You can't objectively say you do because there's not enough film to backup anything right now…which is the whole damn point.

Let's get back to common sense and realize you can't get better at anything in life without being able to do it over and over. No one wakes up and can play the guitar or make 3s like Curry.

FWIW it was never about what Lance was from day 1 it was what he could become with Kyle and this roster. That will never get figured out until he plays.

I certainly don't claim to objectively know what he is or what he's going to be. I have an opinion on it, just like everyone else here.

*Additionally, the experts like NFL scouts, or Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch, or other coaches and executives, while having more qualified opinions, don't know either. Otherwise everyone would have a 100 percent success rate in the draft*

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I believe Watson would be a Niner right now if all that stuff didn't come out about him. It screwed over the Niners and so they went to plan B which is try to trade for Stafford but the Rams beat them to it. So then they went to plan C which is draft a QB but not only draft one but one with a similar skillset to a Watson or Josh Allen. They definetely didn't want another Jimmy G. They wanted a QB that can either do much more or had the potential to do much more.

I believe we dodged a bullet with not getting Watson. I think Watson puts too much on his own shoulders and ends up improvising too much because of it. He has the best rb in the league in Chubb, and his numbers fell off once Watson started. Mark my words, the Browns will be a 9-8- 10-7 out in the first round of the playoffs team with Watson.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Because some posters don't value practice reps. But that's sometimes where it starts before you get your opportunity. That's exactly what Purdy did.

I posted his yesterday. Vet gushing about Purdys making the most of practice and how it helped him translate it to the field.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/why-brock-purdys-success-49ers-dolphins-doesnt-surprise-jimmie-ward

Sure, but again Purdy has a much stronger experience profile to build on. It's a key and significant difference from Lance (not factoring other, intangible, differences). He had 4 years starting at the D1 level in a power 5 conference, where his team couldn't just out talent everyone they faced.

All I'm saying is that it all starts in practice. Whether your starting or not. You can develop while being a backup. That's my point. Especially, going up against the best defense, like Ward mentioned.

Warner on how lance was approaching practice his rookie year until he approached him.

"I think his confidence has continued to grow and grow," Warner said Wednesday. "I think early on in the season, working on the scout team, he was more playing things a little safer, and using his legs a lot to try to extend and to run, and didn't want to throw an interception."

That conservative style wasn't productive for Lance's development, since his bag of tricks already includes using his legs to escape the pocket. It also posed another problem for Warner and his defense, so he addressed it with the rookie.

"First of all, we weren't getting the work that we needed to defend balls down the field," Warner said. "That's why you saw that on game day. For his sake, I'm like, 'Listen, this is your opportunity to take chances and develop in that part of your game. Take a chance. See if you can fit the ball into tight spaces. Or, can you throw on the run and make a pass down the field?' "

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We act in this thread like they only play football when it's on tv

Because some posters don't value practice reps. But that's sometimes where it starts before you get your opportunity. That's exactly what Purdy did.

I posted his yesterday. Vet gushing about Purdys making the most of practice and how it helped him translate it to the field.

"I've been here nine years and I've seen it," Ward said on Wednesday. "I've seen different quarterbacks on the scout team. Sometimes three or four people will run across them -- one pass is a sack, but they will still roll out and make a throw.

"Or somebody will sack them and they still make a throw, and they look at you like, 'Yeah I threw a good pass on you.' But you also got sacked four or five times."

"You won't be able to hold the ball that long once you get in and it's time to be a quarterback," Ward said. "It's really hurting yourself and it's hurting the defense too. We can't react. We can't see the ball in the air because you're waiting for the perfect throw instead of trusting the timing preparing yourself.

"That's the thing that I like about Purdy, is he's giving us a real realistic rep and he's giving himself a realistic rep."

"That's why people always say don't take practice for granted," Ward said "Practice like you play, and he is a prime example. He practices how he plays, and he was using those reps versus the ones on defense and he was taking advantage of it.

"He had to play against the ones, against a playoff contender, and it looked like he did this before which was amazing to me. Very impressive."

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/why-brock-purdys-success-49ers-dolphins-doesnt-surprise-jimmie-ward

People in here act like they know what happens in a in-season practice as a scout QB lol

Eric Crocker who actually did play in the NFL and ran scout teams, said it's all predetermined reads and your not even running your own teams plays as a scout QB. Cool you get to throw the ball and yes throwing a 10 yard out route is the same regardless…BUT it's all for the defense to game plan vs the weekly team and how the run their offense.

and for fun, Warner said after he gave Lance was slicing up their defense as a scout QB. Wow crazy he isn't a pro-bowler right now

Nothing replaces live reps and anyone saying otherwise has no clue what they're talking about.

Lance should feel very fortunate that Purdy got hurt. This is his chance to prove his worth. He will get all the reps in Ota's and at the he very least it will be a competition in camp. Let's see what you can do kid, your future is in your hands and I'm pulling for you. Not because I don't love like Purdy but because if you can beat him out the Niners are I'm great shape moving forward.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Nothing replaces live reps and anyone saying otherwise has no clue what they're talking about.

Said no one.

But acting like practice doesn't help players develop is foolish, like Ward and Warner mentioned. That's where it all starts sometimes before a player gets heir opportunity.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I certainly don't claim to objectively know what he is or what he's going to be. I have an opinion on it, just like everyone else here.

*Additionally, the experts like NFL scouts, or Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch, or other coaches and executives, while having more qualified opinions, don't know either. Otherwise everyone would have a 100 percent success rate in the draft*

Well then let's just let the dude play and get some answers? That's all I'm saying. You drafted him for a damn reason.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Warner said after he gave Lance a kid in the pants

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
A lot of dudes lol? Oh okay. Talk to guys and they'll tell you the only way you get better at anything in life, including football is by actually trying to do it.

sorry you expect 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs off the bat.

You'll see this play out this year if Trey starts, and it will still be unfair to him as an individual player.

The NFL is chock full of guys that were developed off the field.

No one is going to take anyone from a welder to a Surgeon/Lawyer give him a year of schooling and turn him loose in the real world. There are things in this world that most people need to practice a ton of before they.... "go live" so to speak.

That includes many players in the NFL...

Kinda odd how generally speaking the teams that are in the gutter, are the teams that can most afford to play young players. Teams that routinely have their eyes on the post season are the least likely to be able play their young players.

It seems in either case if you draft a Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Montana, Dan Marino or Tom Brady though practice or starting...they some how rise to the top.

Nothing about the NFL is fair, there is no...fair.... the only thing that matters is what the team thinks you can do, what you can do, and what you have done in the past.

I am sure the team has the right expectations, like you and NY point out.... it is us Fans that are in the wrong more often then not when it comes to expectations.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Said no one.

But acting like practice doesn't help players develop is foolish, like Ward and Warner mentioned. That's where it all starts sometimes before a player gets heir opportunity.

what I should have added is there's only so much you get from practicing. If Brock showed up with 300 passing attempts and got tossed out in some games with some scouting reps under his belt he's not doing much of anything all the same.

At some point you gotta let him play and develop. No one should have thought some scouting reps would have magically made him a pro-bowler. No one should think 100 passing reps in the NFL is enough to say this is all he will ever be. That is foolish

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Warner said after he gave Lance a kid in the pants

Lol, that should have said sliced up the defense. Weird

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well then let's just let the dude play and get some answers? That's all I'm saying. You drafted him for a damn reason.

Again, he's not the only priority. If Purdy can't go because he's hurt, Lance will almost assuredly be playing. If Lance comes into the offseason program and makes major strides, and the staff feels he's a better option than a healthy Purdy, he'll be playing.

But if Lance comes in and is inconsistent, struggles, or fails to make progress, and Purdy gets healthy, Purdy's going to play.... Lance's development be damned.