Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well then let's just let the dude play and get some answers? That's all I'm saying. You drafted him for a damn reason.

Again, he's not the only priority. If Purdy can't go because he's hurt, Lance will almost assuredly be playing. If Lance comes into the offseason program and makes major strides, and the staff feels he's a better option than a healthy Purdy, he'll be playing.

But if Lance comes in and is inconsistent, struggles, or fails to make progress, and Purdy gets healthy, Purdy's going to play.... Lance's development be damned.

He's always been the main priority. Multiple 1sts and plays the most important position in sports.

Not sure if people remember all the training camps this off season. Brock was not good. he was inconsistent. Struggled and threw a bunch of INTs. Not until he played did he show everyone what he can do. He's not going anywhere and should be allowed to get 100% healthy.

I agree this is a massive off season for Lance. Anyone just saying he's done is being foolish though.

I think you could make a sound argument that the improvement that happened between training camp and Miami was what he picked up in practice since he was not actually playing.

The 49ers did draft Trey for a reason, I just don't know if they had a do over of that draft if they would draft him again.

When Shanny was talking about the complication Trey has had with such limited college time and trying to move to the NFL..... I don't know that Trey met their expectations.

I never got the notion from Shanny that he much cares about early season success. The 49ers seem to start the season slow all the time, and build up steam as the season goes on. It probably would do Lance some good to get some burn early in the season, I just don't know if they will prioritize that over making sure Brock picks up were he left off. They probably don't want to mess around with Brock's development.

I am in the same boat as you guys, This is THE offseason for Trey. It needs to be 100% football and I think he absolutely needs to be able to run the 49ers offense 100% by Training Camp. I highly doubt they install a gimmick offense again this year to try and make him function in the NFL.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It's exactly what the Chiefs did. It seems the issue for you is the player not the strategy.

Seems from your perspective the real management failure happened when instead of getting a young qb to develop as the team rose they paid 130+ million for an average qb.

Well in hindsight we maybe don't love the Jimmy contract, but we were boxed in at the time. He looked very good, on a very bad team, and we didn't lose a game in his starts in '17. He was set to be an unrestricted free agent and we were forced to pay him market value. He also tore his ACL in '18. I don't think you can seriously criticize that move now. I don't. I was excited. It was finally a tangible bright spot after some of the lowest points of this organization (at least in my lifetime).

Regardless, I do differentiate between Patrick Mahomes and Trey Lance as prospects. The difference in experience between the two coming out of college was massive. Mahomes played in the Big 12, and Trey Lance was an FCS level player. Just like Josh Allen, to me if you compare Patrick Mahomes' play in college to Lance's, they look worlds apart.

I also think there's a solid argument that the Chiefs should have played Mahomes in '17. It was well reported from inside the Chiefs building how great he looked, and they couldn't get past the divisional round for years with Alex.

Only the basic structure of the strategy is really comparable to me.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Well in hindsight we maybe don't love the Jimmy contract, but we were boxed in at the time. He looked very good, on a very bad team, and we didn't lose a game in his starts in '17. He was set to be an unrestricted free agent and we were forced to pay him market value. He also tore his ACL in '18. I don't think you can seriously criticize that move now. I don't. I was excited. It was finally a tangible bright spot after some of the lowest points of this organization (at least in my lifetime).

Regardless, I do differentiate between Patrick Mahomes and Trey Lance as prospects. The difference in experience between the two coming out of college was massive. Mahomes played in the Big 12, and Trey Lance was an FCS level player. Just like Josh Allen, to me if you compare Patrick Mahomes' play in college to Lance's, they look worlds apart.

I also think there's a solid argument that the Chiefs should have played Mahomes in '17. It was well reported from inside the Chiefs building how great he looked, and they couldn't get past the divisional round for years with Alex.

Only the basic structure of the strategy is really comparable to me.

Then it's really just the Lance part for you. I can't agree with the notion that with a Micah Parsons or whoever they used this years first on that it would've won us a SB like other people are pushing. Winning with an average quarterback puts such a strain on the rest of the roster to be elite that it's really not fair to them. I also just haven't seen Jimmy be consistent enough to think he would've made the plays necessary no matter the cast.

Add in the fact that he can't be counted on health wise the team was left with having to do something in 21. Mac Jones would've been a monumental screwup with how limited his skillset is that it really was Fields or Lance. I liked Fields at the time but I can see the issues that scared Shanny off with him.

Its really just too bad he wasn't in Cabo with Stafford. That would've been the move to have had an opportunity at in hindsight.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Then it's really just the Lance part for you. I can't agree with the notion that with a Micah Parsons or whoever they used this years first on that it would've won us a SB like other people are pushing. Winning with an average quarterback puts such a strain on the rest of the roster to be elite that it's really not fair to them. I also just haven't seen Jimmy be consistent enough to think he would've made the plays necessary no matter the cast.

Add in the fact that he can't be counted on health wise the team was left with having to do something in 21. Mac Jones would've been a monumental screwup with how limited his skillset is that it really was Fields or Lance. I liked Fields at the time but I can see the issues that scared Shanny off with him.

Its really just too bad he wasn't in Cabo with Stafford. That would've been the move to have had an opportunity at in hindsight.

Who cares about hindsight either way. All you can do is at the very least give the kid the opportunity to play and develop. If the team can't do that they should have never drafted a QB to begin with…they aren't idiots and understand that's part of the process, especially someone like Lance. The great thing about our coach is he doesn't give two s**ts about what some fans have to say lol.

the truth of all of it is we have no idea what he is. Anyone acting like they do is full of it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who cares about hindsight either way. All you can do is at the very least give the kid the opportunity to play and develop. If the team can't do that they should have never drafted a QB to begin with…they aren't idiots and understand that's part of the process, especially someone like Lance. The great thing about our coach is he doesn't give two s**ts about what some fans have to say lol.

the truth of all of it is we have no idea what he is. Anyone acting like they do is full of it.

The only people who really have any 'know' are the people in the building with Lance....specifically Shanahan. It's why there is no argument from me whether he should've started right away or sit (as he did).

For whatever reason, imo Trey is not going to be the QB we all wanted him to be. There's still plenty of time for him to prove that statement wrong, but if he was going to a great QB, we would have seen it by now.

Hope he proves me wrong though.

Originally posted by Patton:
For whatever reason, imo Trey is not going to be the QB we all wanted him to be. There's still plenty of time for him to prove that statement wrong, but if he was going to a great QB, we would have seen it by now.

Hope he proves me wrong though.

Man only played one college season. You're foolish to think he was gonna hit the ground running at the jump.

It's pretty funny how polar opposite our two young QBs are. One has all the physical tools you could ask for and the other is limited physically, but just has IT upstairs. If you could combine the 2 we would probably have our own version of Mahomes. That being said, hopefully Lance feeds off Purdy this offseason while Purdy recovers. If Lance can get down the consistency and just stick to distributing to the playmakers, he'll have a nice season while showing flashes I'm sure. Really look forward to seeing Lance with all our current weapons this offseason and upcoming year.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Patton:
For whatever reason, imo Trey is not going to be the QB we all wanted him to be. There's still plenty of time for him to prove that statement wrong, but if he was going to a great QB, we would have seen it by now.

Hope he proves me wrong though.

Man only played one college season. You're foolish to think he was gonna hit the ground running at the jump.

He was a bad pick. Some on here were saying he should have started straight away and he would have won the SB. He is all hype who has never delivered on the draft capital paid to get him. On the other hand the last pick in the draft has won every game he has finished

Originally posted by Goatie:
He was a bad pick. So on here were saying he should have started straight away and he would have won the SB. He is all hype who has never delivered on the draft capital paid to get him. On the other hand the last pick in the draft has won every game he has finished

He's not a finished product boy.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Goatie:
He was a bad pick. So on here were saying he should have started straight away and he would have won the SB. He is all hype who has never delivered on the draft capital paid to get him. On the other hand the last pick in the draft has won every game he has finished

He's not a finished product boy.

That might be true but FO and Kyle aren't going to waste a SB roster experimenting with him to see if he will turn out right. Especially when they have another young QB who in his 8 or so starts ended up with a higher passer rating than Mahomes and won every game he completed. It was a bad pick getting a guy who was so inexperienced in college and has only played three complete games in the NFL in 2 years. Injury aside, he will not be playing much football at the 49ers during his rookie contract.

Originally posted by Goatie:
That might be true but FO and Kyle aren't going to waste a SB roster experimenting with him to see if he will turn out right. Especially when they have another young QB who in his 8 or so starts ended up with a higher passer rating than Mahomes and won every game he completed. It was a bad pick getting a guy who was so inexperienced in college and has only played three complete games in the NFL in 2 years. Injury aside, he will not be playing much football at the 49ers during his rookie contract.

Well if Brock isn't gonna be able to go they will have no choice but to experiment with him. They're not gonna get some other veteran QB to start over Trey. If he's healthy throughout the year you're gonna have to watch Trey play as much as it pains you. Don't watch the games then since you dislike Trey so much. And we don't know if this is still a SB roster with Demeco gone and possibly losing some free agents on defense. Who knows if the defense will be number one again with a new coordinator also.

Originally posted by krizay:

Lol yep. For another 5 months.

Originally posted by Goatie:
He was a bad pick. Some on here were saying he should have started straight away and he would have won the SB. He is all hype who has never delivered on the draft capital paid to get him. On the other hand the last pick in the draft has won every game he has finished

It's good to see you are such the esteemed QB evaluator they obviously John Kyle and our scouting department aren't. Purdy is good but the last pick in the draft also played for Kyle with these weapons when they'd felled offensively and was buttressed by the leagues best defense. There's a LOT more to Brock winning every start as he was drafted into THE most desirable situation possible

This is clearly agenda driven you having written Trey off after all of 3.5 NFL games played. I'm not sure this level of dialogue is up to zone standards and in particular this thread. There needs to be a minimum threshold to being eligible to post here

Can we get a bit more evidence prior to labeling Trey a bad pick. We know Brock was a great pick even if he never plays again just based off what he did in his time but to then say Trey is already a bad pick is far from any conclusion I'd be drawing