Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Agreed. He's comes off as a very genuine dude and a great teammate. Competition is good no matter what.

I agree. You can get kinda lost if you don't have a target you are aiming for to meet or exceed. Another QB gives a bar that TL has to get past each day with his offseason activity. Wilson they gave him no comp really and he wilted. This need for comp, along with BP on the shelf for a while is why I think we should bring in a real QB to compete this offseason.

With Purdy in the picture, even if not healthy, Trey has competition because if he shows nothing, he's getting the hook the moment Purdy is ready to go. The team isn't simply his anymore the way it was last offseason.

Originally posted by dj43:
He is all of that.

The Purdy reference is a good sign. What Purdy has, that Lance has not yet shown, is that "feel" for the game, the ability to extend plays while looking downfield, making something out of nothing. Purdy is an intuitive, instinctive player. That shows in everything he has done, even the stuff that made Shanahan angry. KS loves that about Purdy.

If Lance can feed off that, and become that instinctive player, he has a chance. It is clear he doesn't have the speed KS hoped he might have to get around the outside. Hence, he is going to have to pick his spots to run and in the meantime, learn to be a point guard.

I kinda disagree that he hasn't shown that he can make something out of nothing or that he can't extend a play while looking downfield.

Brock does have a better feel of just understanding coverages pre/post. He can process faster. That's all about reps and playing football. Something Brock has done a s**t ton of even before he was drafted.

Lance was always gonna be about a lack of reps…never gonna know what he is or isn't until he gets those reps.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"It was hard... ups and downs throughout the year."

Loved this honest chat with @49ers QB @treylance09 on how this season was for him, his rehab and the coming competition with @brockpurdy13:#NFL #FTTB #SBLVII pic.twitter.com/QVXD7s4ZwA

— Rich Eisen Show (@RichEisenShow) February 8, 2023

That was a great listen. It sounds like Purdy might be one of the best things to happen to Trey. The urgency to find ways to stay involved and contribute is a good sign of Trey's competitiveness. I hope it lights a fire under Trey's ass to push even harder to become the player we believe he can be.

Agreed. He's comes off as a very genuine dude and a great teammate. Competition is good no matter what.

He is all of that.

The Purdy reference is a good sign. What Purdy has, that Lance has not yet shown, is that "feel" for the game, the ability to extend plays while looking downfield, making something out of nothing. Purdy is an intuitive, instinctive player. That shows in everything he has done, even the stuff that made Shanahan angry. KS loves that about Purdy.

If Lance can feed off that, and become that instinctive player, he has a chance. It is clear he doesn't have the speed KS hoped he might have to get around the outside. Hence, he is going to have to pick his spots to run and in the meantime, learn to be a point guard.

He can he better than Hurts. Hurts didn't impress me much in the NFC Championship game and I think Trey is more physically gifted and talented than Hurts. He just needs to get out there and string starts together and get into a rhythm and showcase his skills. Hope he proves me right.

As much as I love Brock I don't think he can transcend the qb position and elevate a team losing its stars and having mediocre talent like a Mahomes can. But I think Trey IF IF IF he achieves his ceiling could do that and be the reason the team wins games even if we lost Deebo or Kittle in a few years and had to play with a less talented offense. I don't want to miss out on that possibility so I want to see Trey fail with us as a Niner first BEFORE we consider offloading him.

Nick Foles put up 27TDs and 2INTs the year Philly won the SB and was lights out in the playoffs. I bet there were people in Philly similar to in this thread that would have said Foles is playing elite have to keep him as the starter long term he has proven it and earned the starting qb role I mean he won the SB etc etc.

And it would have been the wrong decision as Foles was obv just a guy. Just a guy who caught fire for a brief period and gave Philly a SB. Doesn't mean he was elite because he put up elite numbers for a season and won the Lombardi. Everything has context whether it's qb wins or winning a SB etc. No one knows yet if Purdy is just a guy yet or is a legit long term top 10 qb starter.

Originally posted by Chance:
I don't respect his hustle. His "hustle" is contributing to the rage machine and dumbing down of society. He's the lowest common denominator — the type to make money doing what would a shame most people. I'd rather jump off the golden gate than be a narcissist scumbag like Grant Cohn.

For me I simply don't value the opinions of people that get their information from people like Grant. How he gets his cash and feeds his family is his business though. Not his fault we have gullible fans that feed off dumb s**t. Every fan base has as Cohn.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
He is all of that.

The Purdy reference is a good sign. What Purdy has, that Lance has not yet shown, is that "feel" for the game, the ability to extend plays while looking downfield, making something out of nothing. Purdy is an intuitive, instinctive player. That shows in everything he has done, even the stuff that made Shanahan angry. KS loves that about Purdy.

If Lance can feed off that, and become that instinctive player, he has a chance. It is clear he doesn't have the speed KS hoped he might have to get around the outside. Hence, he is going to have to pick his spots to run and in the meantime, learn to be a point guard.

I kinda disagree that he hasn't shown that he can make something out of nothing or that he can't extend a play while looking downfield.

Brock does have a better feel of just understanding coverages pre/post. He can process faster. That's all about reps and playing football. Something Brock has done a s**t ton of even before he was drafted.

Lance was always gonna be about a lack of reps…never gonna know what he is or isn't until he gets those reps.

Purdy is consistent at getting the ball out on time, Lance is not (yet). But both players have shown the ability to extend plays IMO. Purdy is just much more consistent at it and I'd say he was doing that at a level with the best QBs in the NFL.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Agreed. He's comes off as a very genuine dude and a great teammate. Competition is good no matter what.

I agree. You can get kinda lost if you don't have a target you are aiming for to meet or exceed. Another QB gives a bar that TL has to get past each day with his offseason activity. Wilson they gave him no comp really and he wilted. This need for comp, along with BP on the shelf for a while is why I think we should bring in a real QB to compete this offseason.

With Purdy in the picture, even if not healthy, Trey has competition because if he shows nothing, he's getting the hook the moment Purdy is ready to go. The team isn't simply his anymore the way it was last offseason.

I don't view Purdy in the picture, until he is at that point. Timeline is great, encouraging and I hope for the best, but plan for the worst case.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
I don't respect his hustle. His "hustle" is contributing to the rage machine and dumbing down of society. He's the lowest common denominator — the type to make money doing what would a shame most people. I'd rather jump off the golden gate than be a narcissist scumbag like Grant Cohn.

For me I simply don't value the opinions of people that get their information from people like Grant. How he gets his cash and feeds his family is his business though. Not his fault we have gullible fans that feed off dumb s**t. Every fan base has as Cohn.

My problem is that's it's a feedback loop. The more sensational he is, the worse/dumber our fanbase, the more sensational he needs to be. He's a conman. No respect for conmen. I guess that's just how things work these days.

Originally posted by krizay:
Best way to get there is with a stout defense. In trying to find that top QB you will have to pay a lot of mediocre QBs along the way. If you over pay for the wrong QB you put yourself in a bind.

Whereas you know what defenders to pay and rarely regret it. Then all you need is a QB to fit your system.

That is how you sustain success. Usually when you start paying top QBs their money you have to sacrifice other portions of your roster. You don't have to do that when you have sustained success on defense. 10 of the top 15 highest paid QBs didn't make the playoffs this year.

Totally disagree. Look whos in the Superbowl. Guys that have developed into elite top of the line players. Not just because of the systems, but because they actually have elite skillsets that have been maximized.

Trying to build an elite team to make up for glaring flaws in your qb is not a recipe for success.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Purdy is consistent at getting the ball out on time, Lance is not (yet). But both players have shown the ability to extend plays IMO. Purdy is just much more consistent at it and I'd say he was doing that at a level with the best QBs in the NFL.

Yup being consistent about understanding coverages pre/post. That comes in part by seeing a lot of game time. Clearly he's got it above the neck. I thought his internal clock got worse the more he played. I'll chalk that up to rookie stuff.

I'm happy with our QBs, wish Brock was 100% but that also gives Lance some much needed reps. Two young QBs on rookie deals. Works for me

Originally posted by Chance:
My problem is that's it's a feedback loop. The more sensational he is, the worse/dumber our fanbase, the more sensational he needs to be. He's a conman. No respect for conmen. I guess that's just how things work these days.

Yeah I mean I got no respect for people that believe it either. If you're dumb enough to by his shtick, who's fault is that? I agree that's how stuff works these days

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Here comes the StaffordClub, lol.
Sorry if I offended it's members.

If Tartt could catch your dude wouldn't have any rings.

Lol and if Jimmy was a better QB then Stafford, he would've done something with the drives after the Tartt drop

Who said anything about Jimmy?

Lol everyone knows what you were up to. So every time you bring up your favorite comparison we're going to remind you how things actually played out afterwards. Nothing more than that and no one cares about that guy more than you do.

LOL

I don't care about Jimmy at all at this point.

You seem to care alot about Stafford on the other hand bringing him up constantly in all three qb threads and defending him even when he sucks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup being consistent about understanding coverages pre/post. That comes in part by seeing a lot of game time. Clearly he's got it above the neck. I thought his internal clock got worse the more he played. I'll chalk that up to rookie stuff.

I'm happy with our QBs, wish Brock was 100% but that also gives Lance some much needed reps. Two young QBs on rookie deals. Works for me

Indeed it does. Best man wins.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Agreed. He's comes off as a very genuine dude and a great teammate. Competition is good no matter what.

I agree. You can get kinda lost if you don't have a target you are aiming for to meet or exceed. Another QB gives a bar that TL has to get past each day with his offseason activity. Wilson they gave him no comp really and he wilted. This need for comp, along with BP on the shelf for a while is why I think we should bring in a real QB to compete this offseason.

With Purdy in the picture, even if not healthy, Trey has competition because if he shows nothing, he's getting the hook the moment Purdy is ready to go. The team isn't simply his anymore the way it was last offseason.

This keeps being thrown out there without any context as though he was named starter last year just because Kyle wanted it that way. There may not have been an open competition last year, but Trey showed enough for Kyle to belle was our best option. The notion that our HC would flush a season away just to get Trey reps, last year or next, is absurd. No coach in the league is given a free year in which the season's outcome isn't the most important stat. This year may be Kyle's most critical, in that Brock has now shown enough to be considered a starting level QB also, and Kyle needs to put a helluva lot into what could be the most critical decision the organization has faced since Montana/Young. The outcome of this competition, and who KYLE sees as our best option is going to shape the team for the next decade, as well as define Coach in terms of his ability to evaluate talent at the position.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
He can he better than Hurts. Hurts didn't impress me much in the NFC Championship game and I think Trey is more physically gifted and talented than Hurts. He just needs to get out there and string starts together and get into a rhythm and showcase his skills. Hope he proves me right.

As much as I love Brock I don't think he can transcend the qb position and elevate a team losing its stars and having mediocre talent like a Mahomes can. But I think Trey IF IF IF he achieves his ceiling could do that and be the reason the team wins games even if we lost Deebo or Kittle in a few years and had to play with a less talented offense. I don't want to miss out on that possibility so I want to see Trey fail with us as a Niner first BEFORE we consider offloading him.

Nick Foles put up 27TDs and 2INTs the year Philly won the SB and was lights out in the playoffs. I bet there were people in Philly similar to in this thread that would have said Foles is playing elite have to keep him as the starter long term he has proven it and earned the starting qb role I mean he won the SB etc etc.

And it would have been the wrong decision as Foles was obv just a guy. Just a guy who caught fire for a brief period and gave Philly a SB. Doesn't mean he was elite because he put up elite numbers for a season and won the Lombardi. Everything has context whether it's qb wins or winning a SB etc. No one knows yet if Purdy is just a guy yet or is a legit long term top 10 qb starter.

You have Foles' and the Eagles' seasons mixed up.

Foles had 27 TDs and 2 Ints in the 2013 season, under Chip Kelly. The Eagles lost at home in the wild card round to the Saints. Foles definitely returned as the starter in 2014, but eventually broke his collarbone and was out for the season. He was replaced by the Sanchize.

Foles replaced Carson Wentz late in the 2017 season when Wentz tore his ACL. Wentz was the favorite for the MVP until the injury, and I believe Brady ended up winning the award. The Eagles won the Super Bowl this season. There were definitely Eagles fans who felt Foles should remain the starter, but they were in the minority. Wentz looked like one of the best QBs in the league prior to the injury.

It's really a very different situation than what we have here.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
He is all of that.

The Purdy reference is a good sign. What Purdy has, that Lance has not yet shown, is that "feel" for the game, the ability to extend plays while looking downfield, making something out of nothing. Purdy is an intuitive, instinctive player. That shows in everything he has done, even the stuff that made Shanahan angry. KS loves that about Purdy.

If Lance can feed off that, and become that instinctive player, he has a chance. It is clear he doesn't have the speed KS hoped he might have to get around the outside. Hence, he is going to have to pick his spots to run and in the meantime, learn to be a point guard.

I kinda disagree that he hasn't shown that he can make something out of nothing or that he can't extend a play while looking downfield.

Brock does have a better feel of just understanding coverages pre/post. He can process faster. That's all about reps and playing football. Something Brock has done a s**t ton of even before he was drafted.

Lance was always gonna be about a lack of reps…never gonna know what he is or isn't until he gets those reps.

There is no question about where Purdy is in terms of all that. He is simply better at this point.

The question is about what Lance might be able to develop in terms of making plays off-schedule, etc. From what I saw of Lance in the limited amount of college film, he looked like he was running the plays as called with little to no variation. There were, of course, a few scramble plays, but very few.

Now, of course, the problem is that what he needs is what he is unlikely to get barring injury to Purdy...and so the discussion goes on. As I said above, the fact recognizes that "hole in his armor" is a good sign. You can't fix what you don't know is broken.