Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:

Best way to get there is with a stout defense. In trying to find that top QB you will have to pay a lot of mediocre QBs along the way. If you over pay for the wrong QB you put yourself in a bind.

Whereas you know what defenders to pay and rarely regret it. Then all you need is a QB to fit your system.

That is how you sustain success. Usually when you start paying top QBs their money you have to sacrifice other portions of your roster. You don't have to do that when you have sustained success on defense. 10 of the top 15 highest paid QBs didn't make the playoffs this year.

Totally disagree. Look whos in the Superbowl. Guys that have developed into elite top of the line players. Not just because of the systems, but because they actually have elite skillsets that have been maximized.

Trying to build an elite team to make up for glaring flaws in your qb is not a recipe for success.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"It was hard... ups and downs throughout the year."

Loved this honest chat with @49ers QB @treylance09 on how this season was for him, his rehab and the coming competition with @brockpurdy13:#NFL #FTTB #SBLVII pic.twitter.com/QVXD7s4ZwA

— Rich Eisen Show (@RichEisenShow) February 8, 2023

That was a great listen. It sounds like Purdy might be one of the best things to happen to Trey. The urgency to find ways to stay involved and contribute is a good sign of Trey's competitiveness. I hope it lights a fire under Trey's ass to push even harder to become the player we believe he can be.

Agreed. He's comes off as a very genuine dude and a great teammate. Competition is good no matter what.

He is all of that.

The Purdy reference is a good sign. What Purdy has, that Lance has not yet shown, is that "feel" for the game, the ability to extend plays while looking downfield, making something out of nothing. Purdy is an intuitive, instinctive player. That shows in everything he has done, even the stuff that made Shanahan angry. KS loves that about Purdy.

If Lance can feed off that, and become that instinctive player, he has a chance. It is clear he doesn't have the speed KS hoped he might have to get around the outside. Hence, he is going to have to pick his spots to run and in the meantime, learn to be a point guard.

He can he better than Hurts. Hope he proves me right.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

This keeps being thrown out there without any context as though he was named starter last year just because Kyle wanted it that way. There may not have been an open competition last year, but Trey showed enough for Kyle to belle was our best option. The notion that our HC would flush a season away just to get Trey reps, last year or next, is absurd. No coach in the league is given a free year in which the season's outcome isn't the most important stat. This year may be Kyle's most critical, in that Brock has now shown enough to be considered a starting level QB also, and Kyle needs to put a helluva lot into what could be the most critical decision the organization has faced since Montana/Young. The outcome of this competition, and who KYLE sees as our best option is going to shape the team for the next decade, as well as define Coach in terms of his ability to evaluate talent at the position.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Eagles are a bad example. You can make it through the NFC without transcending QB play. An unfortunate injury for the opponent and we basically walk into the SB like Philly just did

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
This keeps being thrown out there without any context as though he was named starter last year just because Kyle wanted it that way. There may not have been an open competition last year, but Trey showed enough for Kyle to belle was our best option. The notion that our HC would flush a season away just to get Trey reps, last year or next, is absurd. No coach in the league is given a free year in which the season's outcome isn't the most important stat. This year may be Kyle's most critical, in that Brock has now shown enough to be considered a starting level QB also, and Kyle needs to put a helluva lot into what could be the most critical decision the organization has faced since Montana/Young. The outcome of this competition, and who KYLE sees as our best option is going to shape the team for the next decade, as well as define Coach in terms of his ability to evaluate talent at the position.

The problem is it wasn't anything Trey did that made them decide to get rid of Jimmy. The decision to move on from Jimmy was made the moment they traded up to #3, before they even knew who they were picking. Kyle was not trying to throw the season away, he was just laying in the bed he had made for himself at that point

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Eagles are a bad example. You can make it through the NFC without transcending QB play. An unfortunate injury for the opponent and we basically walk into the SB like Philly just did

For the playoffs maybe, but he was an MVP candidate during the regular season for a reason. He HAS been great this year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
He is all of that.

The Purdy reference is a good sign. What Purdy has, that Lance has not yet shown, is that "feel" for the game, the ability to extend plays while looking downfield, making something out of nothing. Purdy is an intuitive, instinctive player. That shows in everything he has done, even the stuff that made Shanahan angry. KS loves that about Purdy.

If Lance can feed off that, and become that instinctive player, he has a chance. It is clear he doesn't have the speed KS hoped he might have to get around the outside. Hence, he is going to have to pick his spots to run and in the meantime, learn to be a point guard.

I kinda disagree that he hasn't shown that he can make something out of nothing or that he can't extend a play while looking downfield.

Brock does have a better feel of just understanding coverages pre/post. He can process faster. That's all about reps and playing football. Something Brock has done a s**t ton of even before he was drafted.

Lance was always gonna be about a lack of reps…never gonna know what he is or isn't until he gets those reps.

Purdy is consistent at getting the ball out on time, Lance is not (yet). But both players have shown the ability to extend plays IMO. Purdy is just much more consistent at it and I'd say he was doing that at a level with the best QBs in the NFL.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Against weak teams and ok to average/mediocre defenses. He wasn't extending plays much at all vs Dallas as they contained him and Brock was relegated to looking like Jimmy without the oh no picks and making sound decisions and critical 3rd down conversions from the pocket.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Against weak teams and ok to average/mediocre defenses. He wasn't extending plays much at all vs Dallas as they contained him and Brock was relegated to looking like Jimmy without the oh no picks and making sound decisions and critical 3rd down conversions from the pocket.

Playing like Jimmy without the oh no picks, while picking up critical 3rd downs, and making sound decisions, is playing the QB position very well. And that was against a top 1-3 pass defense in the NFL. Purdy played very well in that game without lighting up the stat sheet. He did it as a rookie.

Regardless of facing an elite pass defense, QBs dont light up the stat sheet every game.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
He is all of that.

The Purdy reference is a good sign. What Purdy has, that Lance has not yet shown, is that "feel" for the game, the ability to extend plays while looking downfield, making something out of nothing. Purdy is an intuitive, instinctive player. That shows in everything he has done, even the stuff that made Shanahan angry. KS loves that about Purdy.

If Lance can feed off that, and become that instinctive player, he has a chance. It is clear he doesn't have the speed KS hoped he might have to get around the outside. Hence, he is going to have to pick his spots to run and in the meantime, learn to be a point guard.

I kinda disagree that he hasn't shown that he can make something out of nothing or that he can't extend a play while looking downfield.

Brock does have a better feel of just understanding coverages pre/post. He can process faster. That's all about reps and playing football. Something Brock has done a s**t ton of even before he was drafted.

Lance was always gonna be about a lack of reps…never gonna know what he is or isn't until he gets those reps.

Purdy is consistent at getting the ball out on time, Lance is not (yet). But both players have shown the ability to extend plays IMO. Purdy is just much more consistent at it and I'd say he was doing that at a level with the best QBs in the NFL.

Against weak teams and ok to average/mediocre defenses. He wasn't extending plays much at all vs Dallas as they contained him and Brock was relegated to looking like Jimmy without the oh no picks and making sound decisions and critical 3rd down conversions from the pocket.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yup, particularly in playoffs. In playoffs to me it's more about survive and advance. You take the ugly w's. Thought no turnovers vs the top turnover forcing D in the NFL was pretty incredible.. think how long Dan Quinn has been doing it probably as long as BP has been alive.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
He is all of that.

The Purdy reference is a good sign. What Purdy has, that Lance has not yet shown, is that "feel" for the game, the ability to extend plays while looking downfield, making something out of nothing. Purdy is an intuitive, instinctive player. That shows in everything he has done, even the stuff that made Shanahan angry. KS loves that about Purdy.

If Lance can feed off that, and become that instinctive player, he has a chance. It is clear he doesn't have the speed KS hoped he might have to get around the outside. Hence, he is going to have to pick his spots to run and in the meantime, learn to be a point guard.

I kinda disagree that he hasn't shown that he can make something out of nothing or that he can't extend a play while looking downfield.

Brock does have a better feel of just understanding coverages pre/post. He can process faster. That's all about reps and playing football. Something Brock has done a s**t ton of even before he was drafted.

Lance was always gonna be about a lack of reps…never gonna know what he is or isn't until he gets those reps.

Purdy is consistent at getting the ball out on time, Lance is not (yet). But both players have shown the ability to extend plays IMO. Purdy is just much more consistent at it and I'd say he was doing that at a level with the best QBs in the NFL.

Against weak teams and ok to average/mediocre defenses. He wasn't extending plays much at all vs Dallas as they contained him and Brock was relegated to looking like Jimmy without the oh no picks and making sound decisions and critical 3rd down conversions from the pocket.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Against weak teams and ok to average/mediocre defenses. He wasn't extending plays much at all vs Dallas as they contained him and Brock was relegated to looking like Jimmy without the oh no picks and making sound decisions and critical 3rd down conversions from the pocket.

Playing like Jimmy without the oh no picks, while picking up critical 3rd downs, and making sound decisions, is playing the QB position very well. And that was against a top 1-3 pass defense in the NFL. Purdy played very well in that game without lighting up the stat sheet. He did it as a rookie.

Regardless of facing an elite pass defense, QBs dont light up the stat sheet every game.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
He is all of that.

The Purdy reference is a good sign. What Purdy has, that Lance has not yet shown, is that "feel" for the game, the ability to extend plays while looking downfield, making something out of nothing. Purdy is an intuitive, instinctive player. That shows in everything he has done, even the stuff that made Shanahan angry. KS loves that about Purdy.

If Lance can feed off that, and become that instinctive player, he has a chance. It is clear he doesn't have the speed KS hoped he might have to get around the outside. Hence, he is going to have to pick his spots to run and in the meantime, learn to be a point guard.

I kinda disagree that he hasn't shown that he can make something out of nothing or that he can't extend a play while looking downfield.

Brock does have a better feel of just understanding coverages pre/post. He can process faster. That's all about reps and playing football. Something Brock has done a s**t ton of even before he was drafted.

Lance was always gonna be about a lack of reps…never gonna know what he is or isn't until he gets those reps.

Purdy is consistent at getting the ball out on time, Lance is not (yet). But both players have shown the ability to extend plays IMO. Purdy is just much more consistent at it and I'd say he was doing that at a level with the best QBs in the NFL.

Against weak teams and ok to average/mediocre defenses. He wasn't extending plays much at all vs Dallas as they contained him and Brock was relegated to looking like Jimmy without the oh no picks and making sound decisions and critical 3rd down conversions from the pocket.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Agreed. He's comes off as a very genuine dude and a great teammate. Competition is good no matter what.

I agree. You can get kinda lost if you don't have a target you are aiming for to meet or exceed. Another QB gives a bar that TL has to get past each day with his offseason activity. Wilson they gave him no comp really and he wilted. This need for comp, along with BP on the shelf for a while is why I think we should bring in a real QB to compete this offseason.

With Purdy in the picture, even if not healthy, Trey has competition because if he shows nothing, he's getting the hook the moment Purdy is ready to go. The team isn't simply his anymore the way it was last offseason.

I don't view Purdy in the picture, until he is at that point. Timeline is great, encouraging and I hope for the best, but plan for the worst case.