Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what about the whole 11 v 11 thesis which was the reason he was selected.. out the window?

that thesis sucks. 49ers can't even get through a season when 10vs11 with Brock and Jimmy at QB. Much less having a QB running power runs up the middle.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Didn't answer my question though.

Bold is as close as you got but didn't really say how he can show and prove it.

For Purdy it was winning the SB as a rookie.

So for Lance, what type of success would you need to see from Lance as a 3rd year Vet to remain the unquestioned starter? if he gets the nod.

Edit - after re-reading, it seems SB win is also the measuring stick for Lance. Am I understanding correctly?

Yes.

It is the same standard for Trey as it is for Brock as it was for Jimmy as it was for Harbaugh as it will be for Kyle.

One thing I can say about Jed is he is hell bent on actually winning the chip and not being the best on paper and coming close but actually winning the thing.

Right now it seems Trey will be healthy for the offseason to take reps. I still think we draft a guy either mid round or late to push Trey and when he is healthy Brock because we need three guys. Lance will not be the unquestioned QB1 of the future until he wins it all. He can be QB1 just the same as Brock but until he wins he will be looking over his shoulder as it should be.

This job is not a charity of a giveaway because we have a good guy. We are desperate to win and we will always play the best available guy in order to make that happen regardless of what players and fans say. Adding a Lombardi is the only thing that matters!

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

I always said that Brock had to beat Hurts and Mahomes for him to be the unquestioned starter next year but he didn't get that chance

Now Lance and Purdy will duke it out for starter this off-season.

Mahomes and Hurts represent the superstar ceilings that Lance was drafted to reach yet still Purdy demonstrated he was elite as a rookie could be in this system on schedule and that he could create respectably off schedule but I have not in his short time starting a superstar's potential

Brady never looked like one either yet he had a superstar's results!

We will get some answers this season about both guys and I'm optimistic barring successful recovery for both our young QBs. 22 and 23 years old

Winning the SB as a rookie was quite the measuring stick you and Ezekiel placed on Purdy.

What type of success would you need to see from Lance as a 3rd year Vet to remain the unquestioned starter? if he gets the nod.

They have a much lower bar for Trey_ning wheels. 5 - 12 record would be unquestioned starter for them.

Doubt it.

Ezekiel was not impressed by Purdys run because he didn't light it up vs a top defense like Cowboys and didn't win the SB.

If that's the standard they place on Mr Irrelevant, I'm interested in hearing that they want to see from Mr. 3rd overall.

They is the 49ers. We canned Harbaugh because as Jed said making the NFCCG game three times and a Super Bowl ain't the standard. Winning the chip is

We are moving on from Jimmy because stat stacking and getting to a Super Bowl and two NFCCG wasn't enough with all the injuries and the losses to more talented QBs because it certainly wasn't more talented teams. We didn't win the chip because we felt the opposing QBs made plays and broke the backs of our defense at key times and we didn't all playoffs with Jimmy under center

Trey was drafted to groom into being the playmaker at QB that will break the backs of defenses when it counts. The standard fare at QB hasn't worked for us so Kyle said screw it, I need a star at the position that can do for me what Russell Wilson has done to us

This is why I was rooting for my team to win it all because that's what a fan does and yet I knew that as unfair as it was to a rookie it was unfair to a guy that hasn't played as much as and is younger than our rookie on this team in this moment. I knew Brock had to win to avoid any inkling of a QB competition because not different from boxing you don't win many decisions off the one holding the belt. You have to be decisive or get that knockout blow to take the belt

As to Kittle saying it's Brock's job to lose:

First it was Trey's job to lose. The he lost it due to injury after his first 1.5 games as QB1. Then it was Jimmy's as he ripped off a ton of consecutive wins and got the team rolling . Then it was Brock's after he inherited a hot team with an offense fully in sync then tore up the league at record once for a rookie being just an injury away from the Super Bowl

The NFL is not for long. Your best ability can be your availability and this summer Trey is gonna be available and Brock is not so as of right now my young Kittle this is once again Trey's job to lose as Brock won't return until 6 months from 2/22/23.

Late August if Trey stays healthy he will have positioned himself as QB1 having taken all the reps with Kyle having tailored the offense to his strengths and then Brock will need to come in and reassert himself and take command of the team from Trey as it will then be his job to lose

We are not here to give a job to anyone. There will be an off-season and the position must be decided and earned and we have two good young guys to get it done and I'm certain we'll draft another guy with 11 picks and groom him and make that room better. We are tired of having the best team and finishing without the Lombardi and we'll play no favorites. This is a what have you done for me lately operation and right now as Trey heals up it's his turn to show and prove and if he can't Brock will be on deck as soon as he's medically cleared

Didn't answer my question though.

Bold is as close as you got but didn't really say how he can show and prove it.

For Purdy it was winning the SB as a rookie.

So for Lance, what type of success would you need to see from Lance as a 3rd year Vet to remain the unquestioned starter? if he gets the nod.

Edit - after re-reading, it seems SB win is also the measuring stick for Lance. Am I understanding correctly?

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Didn't answer my question though.

Bold is as close as you got but didn't really say how he can show and prove it.

For Purdy it was winning the SB as a rookie.

So for Lance, what type of success would you need to see from Lance as a 3rd year Vet to remain the unquestioned starter? if he gets the nod.

Edit - after re-reading, it seems SB win is also the measuring stick for Lance. Am I understanding correctly?

Yes.

It is the same standard for Trey as it is for Brock as it was for Jimmy as it was for Harbaugh as it will be for Kyle.

One thing I can say about Jed is he is hell bent on actually winning the chip and not being the best on paper and coming close but actually winning the thing.

Right now it seems Trey will be healthy for the offseason to take reps. I still think we draft a guy either mid round or late to push Trey and when he is healthy Brock because we need three guys. Lance will not be the unquestioned QB1 of the future until he wins it all. He can be QB1 just the same as Brock but until he wins he will be looking over his shoulder as it should be.

This job is not a charity of a giveaway because we have a good guy. We are desperate to win and we will always play the best available guy in order to make that happen regardless of what players and fans say. Adding a Lombardi is the only thing that matters!

Got it.

In your eyes, SB win is the only way Lance can become the unquestioned starter. If not, back to the drawing board searching for that player, the following year.

thanks for the reply

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

what about the whole 11 v 11 thesis which was the reason he was selected.. out the window?

that thesis sucks. 49ers can't even get through a season when 10vs11 with Brock and Jimmy at QB. Much less having a QB running power runs up the middle.

You don't run them. You have the threat of the QB run which makes offense simpler to call up and stresses the opposing defenses. It is foolish to call up QB runs into the double digits unless you're actually in the playoffs and the stakes are the highest

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
The last two times Lance became the starter they ran it a lot and the offense was not as dynamic as it was under Brock.

Just call the same kind of plays that you call for Brock.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Right. And even take Russell Wilson for example. When SEA used to run read option they would never actually allow Russ to keep until the 4th quarter when the game was being decided. We don't need to run Trey as if he is Lamar Jackson because he ain't. We have enough around him and we still need to add guys where he can do what Brock did and that is get the ball to the playmakers and buy time with his legs when the play breaks down. We can keep on QB runs when it is late game or playoff games

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
The last two times Lance became the starter they ran it a lot and the offense was not as dynamic as it was under Brock.

Just call the same kind of plays that you call for Brock.

Right. And even take Russell Wilson for example. When SEA used to run read option they would never actually allow Russ to keep until the 4th quarter when the game was being decided. We don't need to run Trey as if he is Lamar Jackson because he ain't. We have enough around him and we still need to add guys where he can do what Brock did and that is get the ball to the playmakers and buy time with his legs when the play breaks down. We can keep on QB runs when it is late game or playoff games

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it's an option.. Trey kept it way more than he should have. He needs to learn that he doesn't need to keep it every time

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
what about the whole 11 v 11 thesis which was the reason he was selected.. out the window?

that thesis sucks. 49ers can't even get through a season when 10vs11 with Brock and Jimmy at QB. Much less having a QB running power runs up the middle.

You don't run them. You have the threat of the QB run which makes offense simpler to call up and stresses the opposing defenses. It is foolish to call up QB runs into the double digits unless you're actually in the playoffs and the stakes are the highest

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it's an option.. Trey kept it way more than he should have. He needs to learn that he doesn't need to keep it every time

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it's an option.. Trey kept it way more than he should have. He needs to learn that he doesn't need to keep it every time

I mean overall is there film breaking down all his read options and him keeping it when he should have handed it off?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I am fascinated with the 11 v 11 concept and it's a shame TL isn't a freak who can run like Fields can. Fields, look the Bears led the NFL in rush yards. Do you know how hard that is when you are 3-14? You are chasing every, single game, with every incentive not to run the ball.

Imagine that kind of run ability out of the QB position in a KS offense it would break the NFL

Originally posted by NYniner85:
11 on 11 is more about coverage and what they can and can't do on certain downs. Can't roll out man coverage on every 3rd down.

You don't not have to be an elite level runner to be affective either. Go look at Daniel Jones and how he ran the read option this yr. He's not some quick twitch elite athlete, he ran for over 700 yards because he could run the option well.