Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Trey does suck, who should get fired?

three 1st round picks should = somebody's termination.

Well it definitely won't be Kyle or Lynch.

Yup. Probably would be Trey.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Trey does suck, who should get fired?

three 1st round picks should = somebody's termination.

KS shouldn't be picking the QBs anymore

He didn't, a friend told me it was Lynch.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Trey does suck, who should get fired?

three 1st round picks should = somebody's termination.

And if Brock turns into a FQB?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Trey does suck, who should get fired?

three 1st round picks should = somebody's termination.

KS shouldn't be picking the QBs anymore

He didn't, a friend told me it was Lynch.

Telling moment at the presser when JL got the odd question 'will he be GM in 2023' and he laughed looked at Kyle and said 'I think so, you good Kyle?'

Originally posted by glorydayz:

If Trey does suck, who should get fired?

three 1st round picks should = somebody's termination.

No one if the team is winning.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Trey does suck, who should get fired?

three 1st round picks should = somebody's termination.

No one if the team is winning.

Yup, it would go down like that Wiseman thing.. the player is gone, the rest remains the same

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Trey does suck, who should get fired?

three 1st round picks should = somebody's termination.

No one if the team is winning.

Since many of our fans think the team sucks at first round picks it's no big deal. They all would have been busts, right? Maybe they should trade all their 1st round picks for multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders. Except most of the Niners picks are usually in the bottom half of the round where the value drops significantly. None of the picks they trade away would have been high. Mostly in the late 20s.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Trey does suck, who should get fired?

three 1st round picks should = somebody's termination.

No one if the team is winning.

Since many of our fans think the team sucks at first round picks it's no big deal. They all would have been busts, right? Maybe they should trade all their 1st round picks for multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders. Except most of the Niners picks are usually in the bottom half of the round where the value drops significantly. None of the picks they trade away would have been high. Mostly in the late 20s.

Yeah I don't get the hate for Trey or the trade. People who still stroke Jimmy want Trey gone after 3.5 starts

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
11 on 11 is more about coverage and what they can and can't do on certain downs. Can't roll out man coverage on every 3rd down.

You don't not have to be an elite level runner to be affective either. Go look at Daniel Jones and how he ran the read option this yr. He's not some quick twitch elite athlete, he ran for over 700 yards because he could run the option well.

Right

You don't have to be Mike Vick to run it

Like saying you don't need Curry to run a 3 point focused attack.. sure.. but he would take it to the next level.. we had a guy who went for 1k rush yds on a 3 win team and we said thanks, no thanks.. give us Daniel Jones 2.0.

I would like to see how Fields would look in a KS run offense.. I bet it would be unstoppable, until he got injured of course.. just a speculation on my part

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I never said anything like "Teams have performed well solely because of QBs" you are making up an argument to argue against again.

I never mentioned Jimmy, it is weird that you always bring him up out od nowhere in random theeads.

And ypu also brought up defending Stafforf.

Hey...sorry if you think I strayed from the topic. Apologies.

I edited the needless stuff out so we can stay on topic as you wanted.

I will simply wait and see your rationale for saying both of these things within a couple days:

I said that team success will be something Lance is judged on due to this year's success and recent success. Do you disagree, if so, why? You haven't offered an opinion on what I posted.

I also said that Stafford was lucky Tartt dropped that ball. Do you disagree with that, if so, why?

Again deleting the personal stuff because u dont like or want to discuss that stuff here, remember?

You said Lance's success will be judged by how well the team does. Which makes no sense but if we accept that, then why are you not applying the same to the last SB winner?

Is it the same? Your judgement of him was that HE WAS LUCKY AND HE SUCKS. And I'm not digging something old up, as this was posted here by you in the same thread just a day or 2 ago. The hope is that you understand the confusion you may cause when you contradict your stance in this way.

You made a rule that you clearly don't believe in,....otherwise, you wouldn'tve said both things about different QBs within days of each other.

Soooo...which is it? Because it can't be both.

You are using words I never used and attributing them to me, lol.

So, you do not think the fans and media will judge Lance at all based on the results of the team?
I disagree.

I said Stafford was lucky that Tartt dropped that pass, you seem to disagree.

I don't think we are going to change each other's mind on these topics and I think we have both stated our opinions clearly so time to move on.

1. Your own quote is attributing words to you that you never used?

2. "The Fans and the media" --No one chats in the offseason here to discuss or worry about the latest regarding how the fans and the media feel.
The fans and the media will not be used as a sidestep when the question is about what your stance really is, since you've said completely opposite things.

3. You are trying to convert your criticism reference away from him winning the SB entirely into a single play involving Tartt,...but it's not working.
You clearly was referring to him being on that team and winning a SB, and the post you replied to (with no reference to Tartt or anything) shows this.
Cant change it up afterwards.

4. Not about changing anyone's mind,....100% about how you set completely opposite standards for the same exact thing when the names on the back of the jerseys were different.
If you are going to force feed us the same 1-liner cliches over and over, I think it's only fair that you be asked to explain them as well.
I mean that's fair game, right?

If there's zero explanation given as to how or why you apply different standards to each player then I'll take it as a realization that you dont really mean the proclamations you make and it's just about who u support and dont support.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Trey_ning wheels is not going to be our starting QB. The best you can hope for is a poor mans Taysom Hill who is less athletic.

These are the comments I struggle to wrap my head around. Brock looked fantastic last year, and if that is the worst play we get out of the quarterback position next year, we are in fantastic shape. To be so dismissive of Trey, literally to the point of hatred is foolish and petty. I don't understand how people can claim they are fans of a team while they actively root for a player on that team to fail. Kinlaw has given me more reasons to suspect he may not pan out than Trey has, but I STILL hope he gets it together and begins to contribute to the team's success.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I never said anything like "Teams have performed well solely because of QBs" you are making up an argument to argue against again.

I never mentioned Jimmy, it is weird that you always bring him up out od nowhere in random theeads.

And ypu also brought up defending Stafforf.

Hey...sorry if you think I strayed from the topic. Apologies.

I edited the needless stuff out so we can stay on topic as you wanted.

I will simply wait and see your rationale for saying both of these things within a couple days:

I said that team success will be something Lance is judged on due to this year's success and recent success. Do you disagree, if so, why? You haven't offered an opinion on what I posted.

I also said that Stafford was lucky Tartt dropped that ball. Do you disagree with that, if so, why?

Again deleting the personal stuff because u dont like or want to discuss that stuff here, remember?

You said Lance's success will be judged by how well the team does. Which makes no sense but if we accept that, then why are you not applying the same to the last SB winner?

Is it the same? Your judgement of him was that HE WAS LUCKY AND HE SUCKS. And I'm not digging something old up, as this was posted here by you in the same thread just a day or 2 ago. The hope is that you understand the confusion you may cause when you contradict your stance in this way.

You made a rule that you clearly don't believe in,....otherwise, you wouldn'tve said both things about different QBs within days of each other.

Soooo...which is it? Because it can't be both.

You are using words I never used and attributing them to me, lol.

So, you do not think the fans and media will judge Lance at all based on the results of the team?
I disagree.

I said Stafford was lucky that Tartt dropped that pass, you seem to disagree.

I don't think we are going to change each other's mind on these topics and I think we have both stated our opinions clearly so time to move on.

1. Your own quote is attributing words to you that you never used?

2. "The Fans and the media" --No one chats in the offseason here to discuss or worry about the latest regarding how the fans and the media feel. The fans and the media will not be used as a sidestep when the question is about what your stance really is, since you've said completely opposite things.

3. You are trying to convert your criticism reference away from him winning the SB entirely into a single play involving Tartt,...but it's not working. You clearly was referring to him being on that team and winning a SB, and the post you replied to (with no reference to Tartt or anything) shows this. Cant change it up afterwards.

4. Not about changing anyone's mind,....100% about how you set completely opposite standards for the same exact thing when the names on the back of the jerseys were different. If you are going to force feed us the same 1-liner cliches over and over, I think it's only fair that you be asked to explain them as well. I mean that's fair game, right?

If there's zero explanation given as to how or why you apply different standards to each player then I'll take it as a realization that you dont really mean the proclamations you make and it's just about who u support and dont support.

You are comparing apples and oranges and this argument is boring.

Stafford was lucky Tartt dropped the ball and one thing Trey will be judged by fans and the media is team record because rhw bar has been set so high. I still feel this way. If you disagree, so be it, no big deal.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You are comparing apples and oranges and this argument is boring.

Stafford was lucky Tartt dropped the ball and one thing Trey will be judged by fans and the media is team record because rhw bar has been set so high. I still feel this way. If you disagree, so be it, no big deal.

You weren't talking about a ball drop, and we share our own opinions here on the forum, regardless what the fans and media are saying. The media is simply an avenue for information. That's been the topic the entire time and the 1-foot out, 1-foot in approach to your true stance isin't going to work.

The contrasting quotes say it all and I'm certainly not trying to force you to answer what cant be answered. It'll only be referred to going forward so the repetitive cliches can be reduced.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

You are comparing apples and oranges and this argument is boring.

Stafford was lucky Tartt dropped the ball and one thing Trey will be judged by fans and the media is team record because rhw bar has been set so high. I still feel this way. If you disagree, so be it, no big deal.

You weren't talking about a ball drop, and we share our own opinions here on the forum, regardless what the fans and media are saying. The media is simply an avenue for information. That's been the topic the entire time and the 1-foot out, 1-foot in approach to your true stance isin't going to work.

The contrasting quotes say it all and I'm certainly not trying to force you to answer what cant be answered. It'll only be referred to going forward so the repetitive cliches can be reduced.

I was talking about the dropped INT in the NFCC, he got lucky there.

I have bo idea what the rest of your post is about but it seems to have nothing to do with the 49ers or Lance.

Take care.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Like saying you don't need Curry to run a 3 point focused attack.. sure.. but he would take it to the next level.. we had a guy who went for 1k rush yds on a 3 win team and we said thanks, no thanks.. give us Daniel Jones 2.0.

I would like to see how Fields would look in a KS run offense.. I bet it would be unstoppable, until he got injured of course.. just a speculation on my part

I wanted to draft fields but as of right now can fields process coverages and make reads quick enough? IMO nope. So it wouldn't look unstoppable. It would just be a bunch of scrambling and praying Fields doesn't get hurt every play.

wait so running for 700 yards is bad now? Lol he was 50 yards shy of Hurts on 40 less carries.

again the whole pt of 11 on 11 is not having a QB scramble every drop back, but the team has to be aware/plan that the QB can move/extend plays. It's all about dictating coverage on down/distance.